Tens of thousands sign U.S. petition to deport Piers Morgan over gun control views

Colpy

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I heard LaPierre on one of the Sunday morning talk shows.. much replayed in the news shows calling for teachers to be armed.

Brazil is recognized as 2nd world or 'developing' economy.. go to the barrios of Sao Paulo and you'll see why.. it is a country with a seething underclass that is not participating at all in Brazil's economic boom.. in fact are fueling it in sweatshops and Maquilladoras .. by way of Free Trade.

As for the murder rate.. tell that to the kids at Newtown Elementary.. all 20 of them gunned down by an AR 15 with an extended clip. If you build guns intended to kill people.. not hunt food.. that's exactly what they'll be used for.

There is a major difference between allowing teachers to arm themselves with training, and demanding that they be armed....

So, as in Brazil, it is not the guns that cause murder, but ghettoes.....I can go with that. I always get a kick out of how the stats are cherry-picked. Why developed nations??? Why not in the world?? Which, btw, has a mean (pun intended) murder rate 50% ABOVE the US rate. But that does not fit the agenda........

And the AR 15 didn't gun down the kids, Lanza did. He could have done the same thing with a .22 rimfire.
 

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There is a major difference between allowing teachers to arm themselves with training, and demanding that they be armed....

So, as in Brazil, it is not the guns that cause murder, but ghettoes.....I can go with that. I always get a kick out of how the stats are cherry-picked. Why developed nations??? Why not in the world?? Which, btw, has a mean (pun intended) murder rate 50% ABOVE the US rate. But that does not fit the agenda........

And the AR 15 didn't gun down the kids, Lanza did. He could have done the same thing with a .22 rimfire.

what kind of 'clip' is one legally allowed in the u.s. for 'those' assault type guns. I am trying to
learn but media is so bent on dramatizing everything, one can't learn from them.
I know some guns can spray bullets all over at a fast rate, which obviously can penetrate many people
very quickly.
What is the law.
I understand that many of those children had several bullet wounds, why.
 

Colpy

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what kind of 'clip' is one legally allowed in the u.s. for 'those' assault type guns. I am trying to
learn but media is so bent on dramatizing everything, one can't learn from them.
I know some guns can spray bullets all over at a fast rate, which obviously can penetrate many people
very quickly.
What is the law.

Depends on the state. In most places there are no restrictions, you can buy 5, 10, 20, 40 or 100 round drums for the AR 15. The drums suck, they jam.

The AR 15 accepts M-16 (m-4) magazines, so military surplus mags are cheap.

There are over 3 million AR 15 in circulation, it is the most popular rifle on sale in the USA today.

I bet there are 30 million high capacity magazines out there.

I saw one estimate of 100 million high capacity mags for all the types of semi-auto rifles.
 

talloola

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Depends on the state. In most places there are no restrictions, you can buy 5, 10, 20, 40 or 100 round drums for the AR 15. The drums suck, they jam.

The AR 15 accepts M-16 (m-4) magazines, so military surplus mags are cheap.

There are over 3 million AR 15 in circulation, it is the most popular rifle on sale in the USA today.

I bet there are 30 million high capacity magazines out there.

I saw one estimate of 100 million high capacity mags for all the types of semi-auto rifles.

what is the point of the law allowing that freedom. Why can't the law restrict those guns, in the
hands of a regular citizen, so that they fire less rounds, or whatever its called, you know what
i'm trying to say.
That would not be violating the constitution.
 

DaSleeper

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Personaly, I.m not a spray and pray you hit the target kind of guy, I was taught at a young age to make every shot count.
Must be the reason I prefer revolver, pump or lever action to semi-auto, and have never fired a full auto firearm.;-)
 

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Which is preeminent - the First or Second Amendment?
PS
Even amendments can be amended.

PPS
Are we not foreigners commenting on a foreigner's comments?
 

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Since when did calling for the deportation of someone become 'silencing' contrary to the 1st Amendment?

Are there no satellite dishes in England?

Calling to deport someone because you happen to disagree with their retarded view speaks volumes about silencing. <----Damn! Read that again, it is an enigma of language rolled up in a double entendre like a god danged pig in a blanket or a pizza with hot dog in the crust. Damn! I got a stiffy!
 

shadowshiv

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I heard LaPierre on one of the Sunday morning talk shows.. much replayed in the news shows calling for teachers to be armed.

Brazil is recognized as 2nd world or 'developing' economy.. go to the barrios of Sao Paulo and you'll see why.. it is a country with a seething underclass that is not participating at all in Brazil's economic boom.. in fact are fueling it in sweatshops and Maquilladoras .. by way of Free Trade.

As for the murder rate.. tell that to the kids at Newtown Elementary.. all 20 of them gunned down by an AR 15 with an extended clip. If you build guns intended to kill people.. not hunt food.. that's exactly what they'll be used for.

I am by no means a super pro-gun advocate, but a person bent on hurting as many people as possible can do so even without a gun or rifle. Look at what has happened in China at least a couple of times in recent years. A guy with a knife (I believe they have stricter gun control there) went around and stabbed numerous children! It just shows that a person intent on murdering someone will attempt to do so no matter the means available to them.
 

petros

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They are nuts in the States. The head of the NRA went on television last week calling for the arming of all teachers in the classroom.
There is no point to have just some armed like there currently is, is there? Why not all of them?

It just shows that a person intent on murdering someone will attempt to do so no matter the means available to them.
The mindset of wanting to kill isn't reduced by access or no access to firearms. They will still kill but it won't look as cool on TV.
 

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I am by no means a super pro-gun advocate, but a person bent on hurting as many people as possible can do so even without a gun or rifle. Look at what has happened in China at least a couple of times in recent years. A guy with a knife (I believe they have stricter gun control there) went around and stabbed numerous children! It just shows that a person intent on murdering someone will attempt to do so no matter the means available to them.
Except most of them survived. That was the big difference.
 

shadowshiv

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Except most of them survived. That was the big difference.

Through luck. A person with a knife, and the intent to use it, could have just as easily have killed all of those kids with that knife. I'm just thankful that he wasn't successful in his plan.
 

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Well said!

They are nuts in the States. The head of the NRA went on television last week calling for the arming of all teachers in the classroom.

It's the culture of guns that gives the U.S. the highest murder and gun violence rate in the developed world. This has nothing to do with the right to own hunting rifles.. it has all come down to the right to own military assault weapons with extended ammunition clips.. that don't even make sense for home defense. The owner would be as likely blow apart his family and responding police for a rustle of leaves in the back yard as deter a thief. There have been several incidents of homeowners blowing away paper boys.. or their own kids.. assuming they were under armed attack.

The same ethos that produced the Tea Party is behind the gun lobby. A paranoid delusion that vast forces are arrayed against the 'defenseless' American family.. from which the only John Wayne individualism of the home fortress.. free of taxation and regulation and armed to the teeth can defend.

Rabid economic and social libertarianism is destroying the American economy and society.. and allowing psychos to roam schools and work places.. looking for payback for a wasted life.. and 15 minutes of fame.
Well said!
 

CDNBear

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Point.

Except that I would assume deporting an individual because of what he says is punishment, and thus an attempt to silence him.......
And if they are vocal fund raisers for terrorists?

He's British. The US can deport him on a whim if they want.

Well if you look critically at the Second Amendment in the context of the time it was written it had nothing to do with gun rights.. it dealt with the right of communities to form citizen militias.. as bulwark against tyranny. It all got deformed into an unrestricted right to bear ANY arms much later.
The framers of the Constitution were talking about the hight of modern technology when they wrote the 2nd Amendment.

Calling to deport someone because you happen to disagree with their retarded view speaks volumes about silencing.
No it doesn't. He's still quite capable of making the same commentary in his home nation.
 

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what is the point of the law allowing that freedom. Why can't the law restrict those guns, in the
hands of a regular citizen, so that they fire less rounds, or whatever its called, you know what
i'm trying to say.
That would not be violating the constitution.

Not all Americans are ingorant to the political goings on outside their borders, especially when it might affect them. They know, as do we whom it affects, that most restrictions are generally inefective. Up until 40 to 50 years ago it was accepted that you were free to do that which was not prohibited by law. We have since been "progressing" to a more Euopean, (namely French) model where you are free to to that which is allowed by law. In Canada we didn't have an epidemic firearm problem but restricted the ownership of handguns anyway. There was what could be called a crime epidemic born out of prohibition, caused by the government itself. But you could still apply for and generally recieve a permit to own and carry a pistol, which was still not that hard to do into the Mulroney era, (a number of his cabinet members were known to carry). This is all but impossible now. We had the FAC system, then licensing, registration, and a continually progressing list of restrictions.

The UK and Australia had even more draconian legislation enacted. The problem is that the restrictions do not work in effecting any positive change in crime rates, (and is often counterproductive), which ultimately begets more restrictive legislation, leading up to outright bans. What it does do is perpetuate a polarized us vs. them mindset that permeates the national phsyche which poisons all rational thought and debate, which did not start with and is not limited to just firearms.
 

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Why are opinions either left or right DaS?

Thats something I'd like to know. Its a very out dated spectrum. There are far more than two positions on everything.

I am by no means a super pro-gun advocate, but a person bent on hurting as many people as possible can do so even without a gun or rifle. Look at what has happened in China at least a couple of times in recent years. A guy with a knife (I believe they have stricter gun control there) went around and stabbed numerous children! It just shows that a person intent on murdering someone will attempt to do so no matter the means available to them.

Numerous children who are still alive.


Also, I wonder how that American petition to build a Death Star is going.
 
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[quote} They are nuts in the States. The head of the NRA went on television last week calling for the arming of all teachers in the classroom.{unquote}

Who would want to live in a country where all school teachers were armed????
 

DaSleeper

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[quote} They are nuts in the States. The head of the NRA went on television last week calling for the arming of all teachers in the classroom.{unquote}

Who would want to live in a country where all school teachers were armed????
If you don't mind someone hired to protect you being armed.....
Why not someone hired to protect your kids???...just askin'
 

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They are nuts in the States. The head of the NRA went on television last week calling for the arming of all teachers in the classroom.

It's the culture of guns that gives the U.S. the highest murder and gun violence rate in the developed world. This has nothing to do with the right to own hunting rifles.. it has all come down to the right to own military assault weapons with extended ammunition clips.. that don't even make sense for home defense. The owner would be as likely blow apart his family and responding police for a rustle of leaves in the back yard as deter a thief. There have been several incidents of homeowners blowing away paper boys.. or their own kids.. assuming they were under armed attack.

The same ethos that produced the Tea Party is behind the gun lobby. A paranoid delusion that vast forces are arrayed against the 'defenseless' American family.. from which the only John Wayne individualism of the home fortress.. free of taxation and regulation and armed to the teeth can defend.

Rabid economic and social libertarianism is destroying the American economy and society.. and allowing psychos to roam schools and work places.. looking for payback for a wasted life.. and 15 minutes of fame.
Still haven't a clue what a "military assault rifle" is, huh?
Perhaps if your mind and personality crawled out of the 17th century ..........

This guy feels that gun makers should go to jail when their guns kill people and I agree.

Guns kill people
So do subway trains, cars, bathtubs, rocks, knives, old age, diseases, sudden stops after long falls, hospitals, etc. ad nauseum.
If I get a holiday out of this, so be it, but I just have to reiterate an observation I've noticed about you many times: FRACK you say some of the stupidest sh|t.

I'm for a nice deer stalker.. Kimber or Browning.. .270, 130 grain.. bolt action, magazine capacity 3.. well crafted in wood and steel.. bought for the most part by honest outdoors enthusiasts.
Adequate.

Only drooling idiots with severe personality disorders buy AR 15s with 30 round clips of .45 or .50 hollow point.. as they are virtually useless for hunting.
lmao An AR-15 chambered in aught 50? That's freakin hilarious. 30 round clip in aught 50? Even more hilarious. Thompson came out with a submachine gun chambered for .45 caliber handgun ammo. He made the magazine rotary because the usual 50 round magazine would have reached down to his freakin knees. Clips don't come in rotary and doesn't usually hold very many rounds because they are not spring-loaded or stagger the rounds.
Ignorance ain't bliss - it's comedy.

But they are the NRAs most enthusiastic supporters.. and they see their neighbourhood as a war zone, in fact a free fire zone.. driven on by computer game fantasies.
<--- Ignorant assumption.

I'd refuse your app. for a firearm in a nanosecond.

Well if you look critically at the Second Amendment in the context of the time it was written it had nothing to do with gun rights.. it dealt with the right of communities to form citizen militias.. as bulwark against tyranny. It all got deformed into an unrestricted right to bear ANY arms much later.
So? Didja miss the definition of AMENDment sometime?
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Personaly, I.m not a spray and pray you hit the target kind of guy, I was taught at a young age to make every shot count.
Sensible and cost-effective.
Must be the reason I prefer revolver, pump or lever action to semi-auto, and have never fired a full auto firearm.;-)
lol Like my dad used to say, "How do you know you don't like it till you tried it?"

Calling to deport someone because you happen to disagree with their retarded view speaks volumes about silencing. <----Damn! Read that again, it is an enigma of language rolled up in a double entendre like a god danged pig in a blanket or a pizza with hot dog in the crust. Damn! I got a stiffy!
lmao You rock, Mark. :D

Not all Americans are ingorant to the political goings on outside their borders, especially when it might affect them. They know, as do we whom it affects, that most restrictions are generally inefective. Up until 40 to 50 years ago it was accepted that you were free to do that which was not prohibited by law. We have since been "progressing" to a more Euopean, (namely French) model where you are free to to that which is allowed by law. In Canada we didn't have an epidemic firearm problem but restricted the ownership of handguns anyway. There was what could be called a crime epidemic born out of prohibition, caused by the government itself. But you could still apply for and generally recieve a permit to own and carry a pistol, which was still not that hard to do into the Mulroney era, (a number of his cabinet members were known to carry). This is all but impossible now. We had the FAC system, then licensing, registration, and a continually progressing list of restrictions.

The UK and Australia had even more draconian legislation enacted. The problem is that the restrictions do not work in effecting any positive change in crime rates, (and is often counterproductive), which ultimately begets more restrictive legislation, leading up to outright bans. What it does do is perpetuate a polarized us vs. them mindset that permeates the national phsyche which poisons all rational thought and debate, which did not start with and is not limited to just firearms.
Yeah, it snowballs.