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I give as I get8O
For the record.........
I agree with Winona LaDuke's clear appraisal of where we are today.
We should discuss all injustice and oppression, past and present.
In some cases, Canada's past is worse than Israel's present:
Beothuk genocide
Beothuk people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We lost a people, their language and culture.
Canada has since moved beyond genocide. We've even settled a land claim or two to the satisfaction of both sides. Today First Nation's people enjoy full Canadian citizenship and additional rights to the land and resources, most Canadians don't. More needs to be done and I support restitution for Canada's historical injustices.
However, Palestine just disappeared off the map two weeks ago. According to Israel's Zionist authorities its now Sumaria and Judea.
This is an important topic for Canadians because Palestinian injustice and suffering is ongoing, mostly unknown or unrecognized in Canada and unshakably supported by Canada's current government Harper.
Thank you
The noise causes me to miss your posts. Sorry
Follow your conscience..
Two Palestinians have been deported to the Gaza Strip from Israel, raising fears that more expulsions could follow under a controversial new Israeli military order.
After nine years in Israeli jail, Ahmad Sabah, a 40-year-old Palestinian, was sent to Gaza, instead of being released to the West Bank where his family was waiting for him.
Israelis sent him to Gaza because he had a Palestinian ID issued there.
His family said that Sabah, who was arrested in 2001 for "security offences" against Israel, has no connection to Gaza and he has refused to leave the border crossing in protest at his treatment.
"It is my right to return to my wife and family," he said.
The Israeli move drew condemnation from Palestinian political leaders, who denounced Sabah's deportation as "inhumane".
Palestinians deported to Gaza - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
Apparently not. Zionist authorities determine which Palestinian prisoners will be allowed to live with their wife and children after they've served time.
BBC version
BBC News - Gazan says he was deported under new Israeli rules
Haaretz version
Israel expels West Bank Palestinian to Gaza upon release from prison - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper
Nice map JTF. Now can you give me some examples of the Canadian government forcibly doing the same?
How about home demolitions? How many First Nation people has the Canadian government recently made homeless with a home demolition? What part of Canada is off limits to Canada's First Nation people?
The problem in the West Bank isn't Gated communities, but two classes or more of people. The people currently being removed from "Samaria and Judae" have no rights. The deportation case is just but one of several million examples of injustice and oppression. Every single person living in the West Bank and Gaza can give personal examples.
Different circumstances, no genocide - but same result: Mille Roches, Moulinette, Wales, ****inson's Landing. Can you drive down the main drags?
Can you point out where I used the holocaust industry?
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I only disagreed once, and on a very superficial point.
Surprising aint it?
Yes, we are talking about your spin.
No it isn't.
You ignore it all the time. When you can't ignore the truth anymore, you simply spin it in your favour.
Either, or, it's dishonest.
No you can't.
You defend it, whitewash it and ignore when it suits you.
That's just as bad as supporting it.
Ya ya, blah blah blah, we've heard your BS a thousand times.
Your commentary undoes your lies.
And live off the avails of it as well.
That's what I love about you.
And living off the avails of oppression, injustice and inhumanity is just as bad as committing it yourself.
I bet you feel good about yourself.
My point has always been people like you are hypocrites.
Right, not.
Defend terrorism, whitewash it and ignoring it = Tacit support.
But EAO's personal attacks aren't?
You aren't seriously claiming that flooding a valley to create a hydro-electric dam is the same thing as what Zionists have done to millions of Palestinians?
Here's another example of a Palestinian deported to Gaza:
28 April 2010
Expelled from the West Bank
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...In October 2009, just two months away from finishing her degree, Berlanty was forcibly transferred to Gaza by the Israeli military.
Expelled from the West Bank | Amnesty International
...they saw my ID card but they didn’t tell me anything, they just told me to wait for the secret police. It was 1pm when I was stopped. I stayed there waiting until 7pm… It was so cold at the ‘Container’; I was handcuffed and couldn’t move my hands properly...
..I refused to sign the paper they gave me because it was in Hebrew. I said, I’m not going to sign it, I don’t understand Hebrew. In the end I signed because they pressured me. I don’t know what it said."...
...“I was scared. They had blindfolded me with my own scarf so I was cold as well...
...I didn’t know where I was. The handcuffs were very tight on my hands and they hurt. I knocked on the window between me and the soldier in the jeep and said in English ‘It hurts me’. I tried to do this many times but there was no answer. Eventually they took me out and there was Erez [a crossing point between northern Gaza and Israel]....
...I was in Bethlehem for four years, I don’t know Erez, I didn’t see my family in all this time and it was a shock for me. My mother said she knew I was scared from my voice. I was meant to be finishing [my studies] in December....
... I want to finish university and graduate. My final exam is on 31 December, I don’t have my books to study with, and I only had my handbag with me. All my notes, everything is in my home in Bethlehem.” ...
...On 9 December 2009, after two hearings, the High Court upheld the position of the Israeli state and ruled not to allow Berlanty to return to Bethlehem University to complete her studies. In the course of the High Court hearings, the state made no security allegations against Berlanty...
Expelled from the West Bank | Amnesty International
Forcibly moved.
I know how much it doesn't matter to you, when Natives are displaced for your convenience.
It's just bad when the Jews do it.
I wasn't inferring you did. If I did my apologies.
As for the Israel has no culture...they do but it's mainly borrowed from Palestinians (Heebs included) that were already there before Israel was established and the remainder brought from Europe.
I didn't want to include Religion as part of the culture seeing it is supposed to be a Secular State.
Surprised? Not really, I pay attention to POVs of those worth paying attention to.
You aren't seriously claiming that being evicted from their homes for commercial gain didn't uproot people from their homes are you?
Please note the first words: Different circumstances
Apples and Oranges:
Then, as now, Hydro, as a Crown corporation, could expropriate property. Under the law, owners could appeal, first on whether their land was required for a project that was in the public interest and, if they lost that battle, over the compensation they'd receive.
There seemed to be no question of opposing the St. Lawrence project, or objecting to the relocation sites. The plan had massive government and industry backing in an era when people still believed politicians knew what they were doing and bosses were to be obeyed.
That left compensation. Hydro, forerunner of today's Ontario Power Generation, negotiated settlements with all but a few property owners. Starting in 1955, it moved 525 homes to lots in the new towns and paid cash for the rest.
"They drove hard bargains," but "90 per cent of the landowners were treated fairly," says Jane Craig, who heads the Lost Villages Historical Society and, as a teenager, was forced to move with her family from Moulinette to Long Sault.
Our own Three Gorges - thestar.com
Must have sucked.
But 6,500 people making way for mega project intended to boost the nation's economy isn't on the same scale as about 5 million people suffering 60+ years of religious cleansing, no recognized rights, state sanctioned religious based discrimination, oppression and injustice.
Silence = Tacit Approval
Then, as now, Hydro, as a Crown corporation, could expropriate property. Under the law, owners could appeal, first on whether their land was required for a project that was in the public interest and, if they lost that battle, over the compensation they'd receive.
There seemed to be no question of opposing the St. Lawrence project, or objecting to the relocation sites. The plan had massive government and industry backing in an era when people still believed politicians knew what they were doing and bosses were to be obeyed.
That left compensation. Hydro, forerunner of today's Ontario Power Generation, negotiated settlements with all but a few property owners. Starting in 1955, it moved 525 homes to lots in the new towns and paid cash for the rest.
"They drove hard bargains," but "90 per cent of the landowners were treated fairly," says Jane Craig, who heads the Lost Villages Historical Society and, as a teenager, was forced to move with her family from Moulinette to Long Sault.
Our own Three Gorges - thestar.com
Must have sucked.
But 6,500 people making way for mega project intended to boost the nation's economy isn't on the same scale as about 5 million people suffering 60+ years of religious cleansing, no recognized rights, state sanctioned religious based discrimination, oppression and injustice.
Silence = Tacit Approval
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I'm sure the 10% will enjoy your sympathy.
You keep telling yourself that.
Living off the avails of genocide, injustice, inhumanity = hypocrite.
Defending, whitewashing, ignoring, spinning terrorism = Terrorist supporting Jew hater.
Apples and oranges = the sound of a foot being yanked from an oral orifice.
You asked for an example. You got an example. Lose the propaganda if you REALLY want civil discourse.
In the end, people were forced from their homes.
A country evicting and compensating thousands of its citizens for the common good of the country to build a hydro-electric project is not the same as violently ethnically cleansing a region of its people God didn't choose to make way for people God chose.
This is our land. It says so in the Bible.
New wave of radical Israeli settlers digging in for the long haul in the West Bank - Telegraph
Nowadays a project like the St. Lawrence Seaway would have to pass many levels of approval.... public, environmental, political...
Dear Israel: It's time to get real
December 6, 2012
By William Saletan
The U.N. General Assembly last week voted to accept Palestine as a non-member observer state. The vote was 138 to nine, with 41 abstentions. Israel tried to squelch the resolution, then tried to defeat it, then scoffed that the vote meant nothing but punished the Palestinians anyway by announcing new settlements and withholding Palestinian tax revenue. Now, even the United States is ticked off. How has Israel managed to lose the vote in a landslide and alienate its friends? By blowing its credibility on ludicrous complaints:
Unilateralism
Ever since Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas announced his plan to seek statehood through the United Nations, Israel has denounced the move as "unilateral." "Going to the U.N. with unilateral declarations and unilateral actions is not negotiations," Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu protested on Oct. 31.
A week later, Mr. Netanyahu argued that "peace may be advanced only around the negotiating table and not via unilateral decisions in the U.N. General Assembly." Israel's U.N. ambassador, Ron Prosor, warned the U.N. Security Council, "Every member state that lends its hand to supporting Palestinian unilateralism at the U.N. will be responsible for the grave consequences that follow."
Shlemiels! The phrase "every member state that lends its hand to supporting Palestinian unilateralism" is a contradiction in terms. If most of the General Assembly's nearly 200 members approve something, that something is, by definition, not unilateral.
How did the Palestinians win the support of all those countries? By negotiating. They just weren't negotiating with you. That's how negotiation works: You have to offer the other side a better deal than they can get elsewhere.
That's where you failed. Not just because the Palestinians didn't like your offer, but because 138 countries lost faith in you and voted for Palestinian statehood themselves.
Granted, plenty of governments hate you just for being Jewish or Zionist. But to get to 138, with only nine countries on your side, took real effort.
How did you achieve this debacle? By continuing to build settlements, even as you bellyached about the "one-sided" U.N. resolution. And how did you thank the United States and the other eight countries that stood with you? By announcing yet more settlements after the vote, this time in a West Bank sector that would largely bisect a potential Palestinian state. What was that again about unilateralism?
Dear Israel: It's time to get real - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
This is our land. It says so in the Bible.
New wave of radical Israeli settlers digging in for the long haul in the West Bank - Telegraph
Nowadays a project like the St. Lawrence Seaway would have to pass many levels of approval.... public, environmental, political...
Dear Israel: It's time to get real
December 6, 2012
By William Saletan
The U.N. General Assembly last week voted to accept Palestine as a non-member observer state. The vote was 138 to nine, with 41 abstentions. Israel tried to squelch the resolution, then tried to defeat it, then scoffed that the vote meant nothing but punished the Palestinians anyway by announcing new settlements and withholding Palestinian tax revenue. Now, even the United States is ticked off. How has Israel managed to lose the vote in a landslide and alienate its friends? By blowing its credibility on ludicrous complaints:
Unilateralism
Ever since Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas announced his plan to seek statehood through the United Nations, Israel has denounced the move as "unilateral." "Going to the U.N. with unilateral declarations and unilateral actions is not negotiations," Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu protested on Oct. 31.
A week later, Mr. Netanyahu argued that "peace may be advanced only around the negotiating table and not via unilateral decisions in the U.N. General Assembly." Israel's U.N. ambassador, Ron Prosor, warned the U.N. Security Council, "Every member state that lends its hand to supporting Palestinian unilateralism at the U.N. will be responsible for the grave consequences that follow."
Shlemiels! The phrase "every member state that lends its hand to supporting Palestinian unilateralism" is a contradiction in terms. If most of the General Assembly's nearly 200 members approve something, that something is, by definition, not unilateral.
How did the Palestinians win the support of all those countries? By negotiating. They just weren't negotiating with you. That's how negotiation works: You have to offer the other side a better deal than they can get elsewhere.
That's where you failed. Not just because the Palestinians didn't like your offer, but because 138 countries lost faith in you and voted for Palestinian statehood themselves.
Granted, plenty of governments hate you just for being Jewish or Zionist. But to get to 138, with only nine countries on your side, took real effort.
How did you achieve this debacle? By continuing to build settlements, even as you bellyached about the "one-sided" U.N. resolution. And how did you thank the United States and the other eight countries that stood with you? By announcing yet more settlements after the vote, this time in a West Bank sector that would largely bisect a potential Palestinian state. What was that again about unilateralism?
Dear Israel: It's time to get real - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
People were forced from their homes by force, loaded into train cars, trucks or forced to walk many many miles, so you could live on their land.
I know you can justify that to yourself, but in the end you and the Israeli's living on stolen land, are one in the same.
You must feel so proud.
Christmas 2012 in the Holy Lands:
Yep....and if they keep shooting themselves in the foot, they'll lose more land.
Guess they should have worked it out with Ehud Barak, huh???
If you look really, really carefully, you can see Israel.....it is the tiny spot of orange....surrounded by massive Arab countries.
Cry me a river.
That Christmas tree ban that Shimon Gapso, the mayor of the Israeli town of Nazareth Illit, enacted last year still stands. Around holiday time last year, Gapso proclaimed public display of the Christian symbol as provocative and banned the trees from public squares. "Nazareth Illit is a Jewish city and it will not happen -- not this year and not next year, so long as I am a mayor," he told the AFP. And he wasn't lying. We asked a local teacher the status of Christmas trees. "Unfortunately, yes. It is banned," Botrus Mansour the General Director at the Nazareth Baptist School told us over e-mail. Though, he also mentioned talk of allowing the trees just in the neighborhoods where Arabs live. "It is where I live," he wrote. "No trees have been decorated here."
Christmas Trees Are Still Banned in Nazareth Illit - Yahoo! News
Christmas Trees Are Still Banned in Nazareth Illit - Yahoo! News
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https://www.google.ca/search?q=public%20displays%20of%20christmas%20trees%20banned&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB
fficial&client=firefox-a&source=hp&channel=npOMG the horror!
I guess all the atheists trying to do the same thing bother you too...
https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&....2105.3j9j3.15.0.les;..0.0...1c.1.UUkf8IJelcM