Israel launches Gaza offensive, kills Hamas commander

[petros]

... not sure why the west wastes its time.

If you think of Israel as a US controlled military base instead of a country it makes lots of sense for the west to care. Other than that there is no point for the west to care but this **** drums up religous emotions through intense media propaganda and it's easily justified to keep the occupation of Palestine going to cover other operational functions.

 

[In Between Man]

Emphasis mine.

And they're doing SFA to end it; instead they're doing all they can to escalate things

Totally false. Sorry that the Jews don't lay down their arms and die for you and the Arabs. As already stated, Israel is literally on the front lines against Islamic terrorism. Do they have the right to defend themselves?

Israel has said yes to peace, but the "Palestinians" have only repeatedly said no, proving that their covetousness for tiny Israel is just a cover for their racist death-ideology. They just don't want the land, they want dead Jews to litter the land. They are hate-filled, bent on killing Jews, and I find it abhorrent that anyone would defend such horribly violent people.

and have since the start.

Yeah, again, sorry that they just didn't lay down and die for you and the Arab world when they were attacked in 1948, oh and again in 1967. And sorry they didn't give up the rest of Israel when they were attacked for giving land to the Arabs in hope there would be peace. Our bad.

Israel ended their excuse for Islamic Terrorism when they continually not only break the peace (same with the Palestinians; no one side is at fault in this), but when they OVER-friggin-react.

Sorry, but bombs from Gaza that kill a handful vs. a Tank or Air Strike that kill a dozen or more...

Well to quote one of your left-leaning comrades:

"Realize what war is. It is brutal & ugly and there are NO RULES to the game....It's WAR, not checkers!"

Considering Israel has no choice but to limit its military operations due to the fact that Hamas are a bunch of cowards who hide themselves and their resources behind their own children at schools, mosques, and homes, I commend them.

Neither side has the right to claim innocence, and I'll say it, there's just as much Israeli Terrorism going on as Islamic.

:lol: You shouldn't have said it. That's completely false, and proves you need to get your facts straight:

Hundreds of Islamic attacks in the last 30 days alone, a whopping 20,000 since 9/11...

ISRAEL VS THE WORLD!! - YouTube

 

[Serryah]

Totally false. Sorry that the Jews don't lay down their arms and die for you and the Arabs.

?? Who the hell said I wanted or thought the Jews did or should lie down and die for me or Arabs? That one sentence made no bloody sense at all.

As already stated, Israel is literally on the front lines against Islamic terrorism. Do they have the right to defend themselves?

And Palestinians are up against Israeli Terrorism. I mean, you DO know what terrorism is, right? NEITHER side is free of it. And yes they do, just as the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves. Problem is that water is so muddy now it no longer matters WHO starts it because both sides are at fault.

Israel has said yes to peace, but the "Palestinians" have only repeatedly said no, proving that their covetousness for tiny Israel is just a cover for their racist death-ideology. They just don't want the land, they want dead Jews to litter the land. They are hate-filled, bent on killing Jews, and I find it abhorrent that anyone would defend such horribly violent people.

We could go back and forth on this for days; suffice to say yeah, heard your side before, so what? Also heard people of Palestine want peace too, and Israel has done things to instigate breaking of that peace. It's the same BS, just different directors depending on the flavor of the day. In the end, that's my point; both sides are at fault and they BOTH need to just stop and want Peace enough to actually make it work. Until then, this is what we have.

Yeah, again, sorry that they just didn't lay down and die for you and the Arab world when they were attacked in 1948, oh and again in 1967. And sorry they didn't give up the rest of Israel when they were attacked for giving land to the Arabs in hope there would be peace. Our bad.

And sorry the Palestinians didn't take kindly to having land they thought as theirs (doesn't matter what the rest of the world thought, they believed it theirs, it was theirs) given away for world guilt over WWII. I'm not denying Palestine and other Arab nations did Israel wrong, far from it. What I'm saying is at this point in time, BOTH sides are at fault. History doesn't friggin' matter anymore because it's just turned into a he said/she said war of words now.

Well to quote one of your left-leaning comrades:

Sorry, don't have any "left-leaning comrades". But sure, shoot.

"Realize what war is. It is brutal & ugly and there are NO RULES to the game....It's WAR, not checkers!"

Yep, totally agree. So if this is the case, Israel, Palestine... Afganistan, the US, all those nations in Africa in wars and anywhere else involved in a war right now needs to STFU and stop wining about oh how horrible it is and how many people have died and wah, wah, wah... after all, it's War, right?

Wait, we can't? We have to go on and on about oh the lives lost and publicize the pictures and plaster the face of the victims for the political gains that the dead can give the government in power? Oh my Gawd look at War and how Horrible it is! If only ______ would stop terrorizing us! I know, we'll make them stop, with bombs!

No? Well then, that shoots your quote all to hell, doesn't it?

Considering Israel has no choice but to limit its military operations due to the fact that Hamas are a bunch of cowards who hide themselves and their resources behind their own children at schools, mosques, and homes, I commend them.

Totally agree that Hamas are cowards who hide behind innocents. But if Air Strikes and Tanks are limited military operations to you, then I'd hate to see what a full blown mission is.

:lol: You shouldn't have said it. That's completely false, and proves you need to get your facts straight:

Hundreds of Islamic attacks in the last 30 days alone, a whopping 20,000 since 9/11...

ISRAEL VS THE WORLD!! - YouTube

LOL - oh yes, I should take the word of an obvious website biased against Islam? Nice picture of a baby all bloody, btw.

So what about the Palestinian kid of the BBC reporter who was killed, doesn't HE warrant the same OMG Israelis are evil too, or is that okay because the kid is Palestinian?

People like you are part of the problem; seeing one side as oh so put upon and oh so innocent of the BS going on. When people wake up and realize that Both sides have to want Peace and BOTH sides have to abide by it and stop the killing, then we might get somewhere. Blaming one side or another - justified or not - does nothing but kill more innocents.

BTW, instead of websites like what you posted, how about stuff like this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...estinian-politics-of-a-bloodied-childs-photo/

There's the image of the BBC's boy, the image of the Israeli infant in that site you linked, and another Arab boy. THESE are the images we should be fighting against. THESE are the images that should be making both sides STOP this madness. Instead, people like you GLORIFY these types of images - for either side - and use their deaths as an excuse for Revenge.

So until that insanity stops, neither side gets any sympathy from me and instead gets my total disgust and condemnation.

 

[Locutus]

Rockets Fired from Egypt Hit Israel



Two major Israeli newspapers are reporting that rockets fired from Egypt have hit Israel.

"Terrorists in the Sinai Peninsula launched rockets into Israel Friday night," reports the Jerusalem Post. "The rockets fell near an Israeli village on the southern border, causing some damage, but no injuries."

The Israeli daily Haaretz reports, "Rockets fired from direction of Egypt toward Eshkol Regional Council."

It appears no damage was reported in connection with the rocket fire from Egypt. Earlier today, the Egyptian prime minister visited Gaza to express solidarity with the Palestinians there.

This new front comes a day after a rocket landed near Tel Aviv and on the same day Israel's capital Jerusalem was the target of rocket fire. Those attacks were courtesy of Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

"After Tel Aviv metropolitan area, capital under fire too: An air raid siren was sounded in Jerusalem and surrounding communities early Friday evening. After residents reported hearing blast sounds, security forces confirmed that one rocket had landed in the Gush Etzion area near a Palestinian village," Ynet reports.

"There were no reports of injuries or damage. This was the first air raid siren sounded in the area since the IDF launched Operation Pillar of Defense in the Gaza Strip. Air raid sirens were sounded in southern communities throughout the day and a barrage of missiles hit the area."


Report: Rockets Fired from Egypt Hit Israel | The Weekly Standard

Troll someone else.

He did.

 

[CDNBear]

Ahmed Jabari was the leader of Hamas's military wing. Since he authorized rocket attacks against civilians, he was a war criminal. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. I'm certain Hamas will have no problems finding another war criminal to take his place.

But you claim Hamas was duly elected!

This story is a non-news as far as I'm concerned.

LOL, of course.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm on the side of freedom and justice for everyone, not just Israelis.

Your posts say otherwise.

In order to understand a conflict one must listen to all sides. Hopefully other people here are not as close minded as you and are interested in more than just the Israeli version of this conflict..

I am sorry that you feel that way about other people having the same rights and freedoms as yourself.

What does Israel have to do with the rights Hamas has stripped from their citizens?

No I don't hate anyone...

Ummm...

Next week he'll shoot the little girl as she enters a kill zone and then confirm the kill by emptying the rest of his clip into her body as she writhes in agony...

It take all kinds of hate to make that statement.

The hate around here is getting ****ing sickening already.

Tell me about it. EAO is filled with so much hate.

He posts both sides of the issue.

No he doesn't, lol.

None of you read it though.

I read every word of it, that's how I know he doesn't post both sides of the issue.

b u l l s h i t ! ! !

It's quite fitting that that ended your post.

The people in this region got along fine, until heavily armed Jewish refugees showed up and tried to make a predominately Muslim area exclusively Jewish.

This lie has been proven wrong so many times, it's now just comical to see it posted.

I guess when you hate Jews so much, any lie will do.

From its part, Palestinian resistance groups fired rockets and home-made shells at Israeli targets near the Gaza Strip and reaching as far as Tal Aviv and settlements around Jerusalem. Israeli sources said that four Israeli were killed by the Palestinian fire and three soldiers were injured.

Resistance groups?

Gee, a little while ago you were calling those acts war crimes.

If you look close it looks like she is a hair lip.

You ****ing sports fans are funny.

Plenty of suffering on both sides too.

Not according to you...

Gazans don't get warnings about incoming Israeli bombs, rockets and mortars. What's the point? The warnings would be constant. What Israelis experience for 15 seconds occasionally has been a constant in the lives of Gazans for six years. No one in Gaza is safe... anywhere or at any time. Not even babies sleeping in their beds at night.

And...

Israelis only have to deal with Gaza rockets periodically. But Gazans have lived with the level of bombardment experienced currently by Israelis nearly constantly for over 6 years.

And...

The reality of Gazans is much worse than anything experienced by Israelis.

And of course the moral relativism via graphs on the disparity in the death tolls I already ignored.

Your double speak, doesn't fool anyone.

I don't hate anyone.

I already provided an excellent example of your hate shining through.

No religion supports war crimes or crimes against humanity.

Hamas says Islam does. You support and defend Hamas.

 

[EagleSmack]

Gazans don't get warnings about incoming Israeli bombs, rockets and mortars. What's the point? The warnings would be constant. What Israelis experience for 15 seconds occasionally has been a constant in the lives of Gazans for six years. No one in Gaza is safe... anywhere or at any time. Not even babies sleeping in their beds at night.

Into posting your war porn again huh? You can't resist the gore

She thinks you're a fat goofy yankee dog .

LOL. Internet toughy.

 

[darkbeaver]

This quarrel has gone on for centuries, this is the longest family feud in history. yes they are
cousins as it is explained in the old testament. Both sides are to blame here without a doubt.
The gangs such as Hamas are continuing to stir up trouble both inside and outside Gaza.
There are rockets fired into Israel, and tanks blowing up houses in Gaza who wins from that?
No one and it will get worse. Israel is warning it will not have Iran with the bomb and of all the
nations Israel will nuke Iran if necessary which of course will plunge everyone into the third
world war. Pointing fingers might make us feel good, but it won't solve the problems the world
faces.

The quarrel is not even one century old and the terrorists and their Palestinian victims are certainly not related. The old testament is entirely non historical and bears absolutely no concrete association with the Israeli genocidal program except in it's value with respect to Christian fundamentalist lapdogies.
Pointing fingers eh, it would be very hard to discount the hard facts concerning the pointed finger count, no other nation and no other people enjoy the collective finger pointing at Israels indicated enemies supplied by the disgraceful western presstitutes.

 

[CDNBear]

The quarrel is not even one century old...

Yes it is.

... and the terrorists and their Palestinian victims are certainly not related.

Yes they are, lol.

The old testament is entirely non historical...

That's also untrue. There's all sorts of archaeological evidence that supports some stories in the OT.

Pointing fingers eh, it would be very hard to discount the hard facts concerning the pointed finger count, no other nation and no other people enjoy the collective finger pointing at Israels indicated enemies supplied by the disgraceful western presstitutes.

It's funny you should say that, while living on disputed land, lol.

 

[Liberalman]

The uprising was not a surprise just because Israel said in the spring that November was when it will happen, the only difference is if Romney would have won Israel would have the support from America but Obama is a Muslim so he will sit this one out until the Middle East is nuked.

 

[Goober]

Rockets Fired from Egypt Hit Israel

He did.

So was it Avro back for the Holidays?

 

[darkbeaver]

If you think of Israel as a US controlled military base instead of a country it makes lots of sense for the west to care. Other than that there is no point for the west to care but this **** drums up religous emotions through intense media propaganda and it's easily justified to keep the occupation of Palestine going to cover other operational functions.

My guess is that you got it backwards and the number of co-opted western politicians is simply staggering and overwhelming evidence that supports that guess of mine. Further to that Israel itself does not enjoy autonomy. Israel is just a basket which the banking scum have laid poison eggs yet to be hatched. These bankers will sacrifice Israel when the time comes and the time is coming. Like I said before the ashes of Israel will be the blanket that the psycopathic elite of earth hide under for the next thousand years, and they know the value of a good thick blanket like the holocaust.

 

[petros]

My guess is that you got it backwards and the number of co-opted western politicians is simply staggering and overwhelming evidence that supports that guess of mine. Further to that Israel itself does not enjoy autonomy. Israel is just a basket which the banking scum have laid poison eggs yet to be hatched. These bankers will sacrifice Israel when the time comes and the time is coming. Like I said before the ashes of Israel will be the blanket that the psycopathic elite of earth hide under for the next thousand years, and they know the value of a good thick blanket like the holocaust.

it's the banking scum that fund militaries. Take the Israelis not claiming to have a nuke program, they may have Israelis working in it but brother, those are yankee nukes in a yankee facility.

 

[Goober]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/opinion/israels-shortsighted-assassination.html

 

[petros]

When the occupation ends and Exodus 2.0 takes place, the rockets will stop.

 

[Locutus]

Beware of 'Pallywood' Magic



Fighting between Palestinian terrorists in Gaza and Israeli troops all but guarantees civilian casualties. With the fighting comes heart-wrenching photos of the dead and wounded, along with their grieving loved ones.

Each death represents a human tragedy.

But sometimes, reality is not enough. Some Palestinians have been caught faking images or appropriating them from other conflicts.

This form of propaganda has been dubbed "Pallywood," and the nascent conflict already has several examples.



more special effects


Beware of 'Pallywood' Magic :: The Investigative Project on Terrorism

 

[MHz]

Israel is here forever. Her recreation in 1948 (as prophesied) was a bonafide miracle and it sets the stage for Christ's glorious return. I'd switch to the winning team if I were you.
.

Really, the prophecy states there will be not one left scattered in the Nations. Oh yeah, almost forgot, the dead going back to Abraham's sons are also resurrected, Any other doctrine is just a game.

.... but Obama is a Muslim so he will sit this one out until the Middle East is nuked.

LOL, that is why he has so many pairs of knee pads.

 

[Locutus]

White House Says Israel Has Right
To Defend Itself Against Hamas

Israel widens air assault on rockets in Gaza; credits 'Iron Dome' for shooting down incoming rocket | Fox News


Gee, thanks barry. :lol:



Oh and...


Report: Obama Telling Israel Not To Launch Ground Invasion Of Gaza…

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/w...ound-war-in-gaza-would-hurt-israel.html?_r=1&




Mind your own business bro.

 

[darkbeaver]

it's the banking scum that fund militaries. Take the Israelis not claiming to have a nuke program, they may have Israelis working in it but brother, those are yankee nukes in a yankee facility.

Well I haven't been to Dimona so I can't verify your or my perspective I just have to examine the zionist control of everything American/western and wonder why the Israelis would permit American access to the very material used to blackmail the west all these years. The undeclared nukes are the hidden gun to the western heads there is very good reason to expect these weapons to be hidden in evrey major western capital and target. It's what I would do if I were an evil bastard. Sorry we will have to disagree.

 

[In Between Man]

?? Who the hell said I wanted or thought the Jews did or should lie down and die for me or Arabs? That one sentence made no bloody sense at all.

You claim that Israel has the right to defend herself, but then you cry foul when they do. Either Israel has the right to defend herself against Islamic terrorism, or you wish for the Jews to do nothing and allow themselves to be "wiped off the face of the earth". Quit trying to have it both ways.

And Palestinians are up against Israeli Terrorism.

Trying to have it both ways again. You claim Israel can defend herself but when she does you call it "terrorism". Either you haven't thought out your position very well, or no one told you that contradictory claims cannot both be true.

I mean, you DO know what terrorism is, right?

Do you? Terrorists walk into Jewish weddings with bombs strapped to themselves, or indiscriminately fire rockets into neighborhoods with hopes as killing as many INNOCENT CIVILIANS INCLUDING CHILDREN as humanly possible. Jews do no such thing.

NEITHER side is free of it.

Now that we have a more realistic definition of terrorism on hand, I hope you can see that there's no such thing as "Israeli terrorism". She targets militant a ssholes, not innocent civilians including children.

And yes they do, just as the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves.

But the "Palestinians" don't try to defend themselves against the Israeli military. They focus their attacks on killing any Jew period. They're attitude is not one of defense only genocide.

Problem is that water is so muddy now it no longer matters WHO starts it because both sides are at fault.

No, the water is not muddy. You're just choosing to ignore the facts and play "move the goal posts". In other words, you want us to believe that the good guys aren't so good, and the a sshole brigade ain't so bad.

Also heard people of Palestine want peace too,

Man are you naive. The "Palestinians" clearly don't want peace and only want dead Jews. As evidenced by the fact that they turned down a state in 1937 and 1947. Further evidenced by the fact that when Israel gave them the Gaza strip in hopes for peace, the "Palestinians" showed their true colors by using Gaza to launch more rockets into Israel!

A lot of this I pointed out in my last post to you, and you haven't even addressed it, proving your willingness to ignore the facts.

and Israel has done things to instigate breaking of that peace.

When?

It's the same BS, just different directors depending on the flavor of the day. In the end, that's my point; both sides are at fault and they BOTH need to just stop and want Peace enough to actually make it work. Until then, this is what we have.

I've had to post this vid several times, and I'm going to keep posting it until y'all get your facts straight.

Israel has said YES to peace SEVERAL TIMES, and even acknowledge Arabs have a right to a "Palestinian" state. That's a sharp contrast to the "Palestinians" who deny Israel or Jews have a right to exist at all!!!

Israel Palestinian Conflict: The Truth About the Peace Process - YouTube

History doesn't friggin' matter anymore

That has to be the most profoundly unintelligent thing I have ever read on the internet. Yeah, it's a warm and cozy world if you stick your head in the sand...

I know, we'll make them stop, with bombs!

Again, this is what I'm talking about by "laying down and just die". Either Israel has the right to defend herself against Islamic terrorism, or you wish for the Jews to do nothing and allow themselves to be destroyed by genocidal barbarians. You can't have it both ways and you're desperately trying to.

Totally agree that Hamas are cowards who hide behind innocents. But if Air Strikes and Tanks are limited military operations to you, then I'd hate to see what a full blown mission is.

Israel limits herself by the fact they don't target innocent people, only militants. How could you not see this? They're not indiscriminately dropping bombs on schools and mosques.

LOL - oh yes, I should take the word of an obvious website biased against Islam? Nice picture of a baby all bloody, btw.

Put all claims of bias aside. You show me one of those attacks cited on that website as a lie and I'll start a thread for the purpose of kissing your a ss with an public apology. You cannot deny the amount of Islamic terrorism, and hopefully it's sinking in how much Islamic terrorism occurs to any claims of "Israeli terrorism". Rampant Islamic terrorism is a fact sister.

So what about the Palestinian kid of the BBC reporter who was killed, doesn't HE warrant the same OMG Israelis are evil too, or is that okay because the kid is Palestinian?

The "Palestinians" have a long history of trying manipulate the international community with faked deaths like parading empty coffins in the street, or rushing past camera crews with an "injured" or "dead" toddler. I'm not saying that this particular toddler didn't truly die, but with a history of trying to manipulate the international community with lies, I'm skeptical when this father said "there were no militants in my house".

CNN uses footage of faked Palestinian "injuries".

People like you are part of the problem

People like you are part of the problem. You're defending and sympathizing with genocidal murderers while claiming Israeli actions are terrorism, all the while trying to feed us that you believe Israel has a right to defend herself. Your stance isn't just a problem, it's self-refuting because of its contradictory nature, and in my view evil.

So until that insanity stops, neither side gets any sympathy from me and instead gets my total disgust and condemnation.

Neutrality =/= objectivity. You're still biased. You support some of the most violent, hate-filled people on the planet all the while pointing a finger at Israel (again, while trying tell us that you support their right to defend themselves, which again, is contradictory to say the least).

 

[petros]

You claim that Israel has the right to defend herself, but then you cry foul when they do. Either Israel has the right to defend yourself against Islamic terrorism, or you wish for the Jews to do nothing and allow themselves to be "wiped off the face of the earth". Quit trying to have it both ways.



Trying to have it both ways again. You claim Israel can defend herself but when she does you call it "terrorism". Either you haven't thought out your position very well, or no one told you that contradictory claims cannot both be true.



Do you? Terrorists walk into Jewish weddings with bombs strapped to themselves, or indiscriminately fire rockets into neighborhoods with hopes as killing as many INNOCENT CIVILIANS INCLUDING CHILDREN as humanly possible. Jews do no such thing.



Now that we have a more realistic definition of terrorism on hand, I hope you can see that there's no such thing as "Israeli terrorism". She targets militant a ssholes, not innocent civilians including children.



But the "Palestinians" don't try to defend themselves against the Israeli military. They focus their attacks on killing any Jew period. They're attitude is not one of defense only genocide.



No, the water is not muddy. You're just choosing to ignore the facts and play "move the goal posts". In other words, you want us to believe that the good guys aren't so good, and the a sshole brigade ain't so bad.



Man are you naive. The "Palestinians" clearly don't want peace and only want dead Jews. As evidenced by the fact that they turned down a state in 1937 and 1947. Further evidenced by the fact that when Israel gave them the Gaza strip in hopes for peace, the "Palestinians" showed their true colors by using Gaza to launch more rockets into Israel!

A lot of this I addressed in my last post to you, and you haven't even addressed it, proving your willingness to ignore the facts.



When?



I've had to post this vid several times, and I'm going to keep posting it until y'all get your facts straight.

Israel has said YES to peace SEVERAL TIMES, and even acknowledge Arabs have a right to a "Palestinian" state. That's a sharp contrast to the "Palestinians" who deny Israel or Jews have a right to exist at all!!!

Israel Palestinian Conflict: The Truth About the Peace Process - YouTube



That has to be the most profoundly unintelligent thing I have ever read on the internet. Yeah, it's a warm and cozy world if you stick your head in the sand...



Again, this is what I'm talking about by "laying down and just die". Either Israel has the right to defend yourself against Islamic terrorism, or you wish for the Jews to do nothing and allow themselves to be destroyed by genocidal barbarians. You can't have it both ways and you're desperately trying to.



Israel limits herself by the fact they don't target innocent people, only militants. How could you not see this? They're not indiscriminately dropping bombs on schools and mosques.



Put all claims of bias aside. You show me one of those attacks cited on that website as a lie and I'll start a thread for the purpose of kissing your a ss with an public apology. You cannot deny the amount of Islamic terrorism, and hopefully it's sinking in how much Islamic terrorism occurs to any claims of "Israeli terrorism". Rampant Islamic terrorism is a fact sister.



The "Palestinians" have a long history of trying manipulate the international community with faked deaths like parading empty coffins in the street, or rushing past camera crews with an "injured" or "dead" toddler. I'm not saying that this particular toddler didn't truly die, but with a history of trying to manipulate the international community with lies, I'm skeptical when this father said "there were no militants in my house".

CNN uses footage of faked Palestinian "injuries".



People like you are part of the problem. You're defending and sympathizing with genocidal murderers while claiming Israeli actions are terrorism, all the while trying to feed us that you believe Israel has a right to defend herself. Your stance isn't just a problem, it's self-refuting because of its contradictory nature, and in my view evil.



Neutrality =/= objectivity. You're still biased. You support some of the most violent, hate-filled people on the planet all the while pointing a finger at Israel (again, while trying tell us that you support their right to defend themselves, which again, is contradictory to say the least).

When the illegal occupation ends the crap ends. Why is that so hard to grasps?

Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Listen to you Teacher for once.