Angry Libyan mob kills U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three diplomates.

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If it's just embassies being attacked and not Suncor, all is good? I think I want my $9.95 plus GST back.

There were no mini-series heroes either.
 
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earth_as_one said:
wiki doesn't mention the amount of damage or if anyone was hurt. So what happened? Did someone set a fire in a garbage can?


I disagree with killing innocent people, never mind genocide.

The US should insist that the Libyan authorities arrest those responsible.

Since this event happened at an American embassy, the US could argue that US law applies. I would support Libya extraditing the murderers to the US for trial.
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What innocent was killed? Lybia has been occupied but the war has hardly begun. If US law was applied they would not even be in Lybia. I'm afraid we'll just have to accept the death as standard international relations.
 
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Under international law the hit was legit. (keep in mind from the illegal war and occupation onward international law favours the indiginous) ( they have a right to retaliate)
 
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The whole of U.S. foreign policy for at least the last two decades is based on the premise that, freed from the control of tyrants, Islamic societies will naturally gravitate to the Western model of the secular nation state.

What's becoming increasingly clear.. in Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan.. is democratic, religiously heterogenous states are an anathema to Islam.. they cannot coexist.. and Islam will resort to any violence to expel the Infidel from its midst.

It seems that tyrannies were the only way to maintain a pretense of secularism, contained within its borders.. from the imminent threat of a theocractic rule and Sharia Law.

Once that is achieved however, Islam will turn on itself to expel perceived 'heretics' of competing branches of the religion. History will tell you that if that is achieved Islam will lash out through conversion by conquest.

It's a mess.. and one without an immediate military solution.
 
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A mob of Libyans burned it down... then the US withdrew all personnel from Libya.

Hence you are wrong about Ghadaffi's respect for diplomats.
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link please... as I can find no description of this attack or evidence that the US mission was razed as you claim...
 
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If Obama hadn't removed Gadhafi from power in Libya the Americans who died yesterday would still be alive.

If Obama hadn't taken a victory lap over the death of Osama bin Laden the American Embassy in Cairo might not have been seized.

I wonder how all that Hope and Change stuff is working out for America?
 
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coldstream said:
The whole of U.S. foreign policy for at least the last two decades is based on the premise that, freed from the control of tyrants, Islamic societies will naturally gravitate to the Western model of the secular nation state.

What's becoming increasingly clear.. in Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan.. is democratic, religiously heterogenous states are an anathema to Islam.. they cannot coexist.. and Islam will resort to any violence to expel the Infidel from its midst.

It seems that tyrannies were the only way to maintain a pretense of secularism, contained within its borders.. from the imminent threat of a theocractic rule and Sharia Law.

Once that is achieved however, Islam will turn on itself to expel perceived 'heretics' of competing branches of the religion. History will tell you that if that is achieved Islam will lash out through conversion by conquest.

It's a mess.. and one without an immediate military solution.
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History will also tell you that Christianity will lash out through conversion by conquest. Central and South America wasn't Christian until after it was conquered by the Spanish and Portuguese. The Spanish Inquisition is another example of violent forced conversion to Christianity.
 
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Colpy said:
Generally, I would agree.....with one small protest; the gov't of Libya was not involved here.




"MOST" of 1 billion people still leaves a heck of a lot of murdering scum.
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Big deal. Name me one religion that doesn't count murdering scum among its followers.
Can't grumble about one, discount any others, and not appear biased.

I doubt angry mobs are particularly into planning well or much forethought at all.
 
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History will also tell you that Christianity will lash out through conversion by conquest. Central and South America wasn't Christian until after it was conquered by the Spanish and Portuguese. The Spanish Inquisition is another example of violent forced conversion to Christianity.
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Medieval religious thought is dangerous. Now we are living through Islam's medieval period.
 
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earth_as_one said:
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Gadaffi might have been an insane dictator, but as far as I know he respected diplomatic immunity. This event makes me doubt that Libya has changed for the better since another angry mob killed dictator Gaddafi. Libya appears to have become more out of control, lawless and dangerous...
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Again your lack of knowledge does not fail to surprise me- Check how many terror groups supported by Libya and how many times they armed rebels in other countries.

As to diplomatic immunity- please recall the British police officer shot and killed by a person inside the Libyan Embassy.

Just because NATO took him out- that is your problem. That and being completely ill informed. But we are used to that.

Please note I used the term ill informed vice ffn dumb

earth_as_one said:
A mob "set fire to the embassy" does not necessarily mean a mob of Libyans "burned it down" as ES claims. If the embassy was burned down as ES claims, then I suspect they would have used stronger terminology...ie: razed or destroyed by fire.
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Again and again your depth of knowledge does not fail to surprise- Yes you are still the top choice for Wanker of the year Award.
I imagine it was a band of drunken British Soccer fans (Hooligans) on a rampage.
 
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BaalsTears said:
If Obama hadn't removed Gadhafi from power in Libya the Americans who died yesterday would still be alive.

If Obama hadn't taken a victory lap over the death of Osama bin Laden the American Embassy in Cairo might not have been seized.

I wonder how all that Hope and Change stuff is working out for America?
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So you think it best that the Americans let him live? I suspect if Bush had actually been able to find and kill him (or even tried) you would be less critical.
 
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