Canada not the only country in dire need of the death penalty!

[Bar Sinister]

So it's OK to house these guys for $millions of dollars a year, while innocent people are dying waiting for funds for a heart operation?

The cost of lifetime incarceration is a problem, but not as much of a problem as a murder trial where the sentence might be the death penalty if the evidence of murder trials in the US are anything to go by. It is actually cheaper to put someone in prison for 50 years than it is to carry out a single execution. Of course, some murder trials are relatively cheap, but other (like that of OJ Simpson) are excessively expensive. And then there is the almost endless appeal process as evidenced by the case of Ronald Smith who h was sentenced to death in Montana in 1983 and has yet to be executed.

 

[JLM]

I am in favor of capital punishment in certain conditions. Killing a cop or security guard and there is no doubt of guilt is one. The other is impaired driving causing death.
The first is because I have no faith in our socialist dogooder just ice system making life in prison actually mean life. The second is because I have had the rather dubious pleasure of picking up the mess after one. It was not the guy's first impaired either. Hanging them prevents repeat offenders.

I gave you a greenie because your rationale is good, but I'm not in total agreement. First on my list is anyone who harms innocent women and children, second would be gangsters who commit murder in their quest for greed.

 

[Blackie]

“petros…It's takes weeks to starve someone to death. Where the **** were the people who knew what was going on?....”
Or, sure as ***** should have known something was wrong.. Sometimes I think social workers/others who do home visits either don’t really do them or are just blind.
And what about family members of someone who is obviously completely overwhelmed? (like the young mom who I believe had her own kids and her sister’s kids too). Are they all totally oblivious?
‘Incidences/accidents/issues’ happen far too often. We probably don’t hear about half of them.

 

[skookumchuck]

Sadly we cannot hear the victim's opinion of what would be adequate punishment for torture, rape, and murder, often a very slow and horrifying death.
If i were a victim of one of these animals i would not want that critter in prison. Being all soft and against capital punishment is fine for those who have not been victims.

 

[Blackie]

Or maybe witness two innocent children being starved to death. Sorry I'm on the side of the innocent NOT the guilty!



A few weeks of "trepanations":lol: before they go to the gallows wouldn't hurt either!



Totally ignorant statement from an ignoramus! :lol:

“JLM…..’Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny Speak for yourself.’
Totally ignorant statement from an ignoramus!”
As I said on another topic… “However, when someone has a different opinion, or just makes a comment, is it really necessary to slam the person with insults and name calling, etc?”

TenPenney has a valid opinion...

 

[WLDB]

If i were a victim of one of these animals i would not want that critter in prison. Being all soft and against capital punishment is fine for those who have not been victims.

Its not unheard of for families of victims to not want the person who killed their relative to be executed. The Kennedy's did what they could to prevent RFK's assassin from being executed.

 

[shadowshiv]

If life improsonment truly meant life improsonment, I don't think we need the death penalty. Unfortunatly, life does not mean life in today's justice system.

Particularly in Canada, where "life" can mean 10 years before parole! And some of the ones that actually receive parole shouldn't be getting out of jail early!

Life in prison should mean life in prison, with NO possibility of parole. Also, they need to get rid of that "Faint Hope" bull****. That just puts unnecessary heartache on the families of the victim(s).

I think thats something everyone would agree with. It was such a stupid deal to make.

And Homolka's lawyer should have been given a jail sentence or had his license taken away for deliberately withholding evidence(the videotapes hidden in the lights).

 

[skookumchuck]

Its not unheard of for families of victims to not want the person who killed their relative to be executed. The Kennedy's did what they could to prevent RFK's assassin from being executed.

The Kennedy clan was in the public eye and as good democrats could say nothing else less they lose support. I would bet a bunch that if you were a fly on their wall you would have heard a whole different sentiment.

 

[EagleSmack]

We sometimes get too hung up on the punishment aspect of the judicial system. Prison time is no country club affair no matter where and how it's served. The purpose is to lock them up to make it safer for the rest of us, not to give the state the power to kill the convicted or make life as miserable as possible for them.

That was good Kreskin. I think though that punishment has to be a purpose as well. True, some of these criminals need to be kept from society to keep the rest of us safe. But there also must be a certain amount of punishment for their crime and prison should be hard. I am not talking torture or capital punishment but it shouldn't be easy time either.

I think he's still doing it. It totally baffles me why any respectable law abiding citizen would disapprove. I don't think he's had a single reoffender. Singapore's system works well too.!

I think Sheriff Joe is great too. Pink underwear and a baloney sandwich. No weights, no athletic equipment, just work and doing time.

 

[MapleDog]

That was good Kreskin. I think though that punishment has to be a purpose as well. True, some of these criminals need to be kept from society to keep the rest of us safe. But there also must be a certain amount of punishment for their crime and prison should be hard. I am not talking torture or capital punishment but it shouldn't be easy time either.

Thats what i said earlier, we're in 2012 not the 19th century,its not by giving them all the stuff they got in,that will make them think twice about what they did.

We see and hear how other countries treat their prisoners,which is close to the 19th century prison condition,and we're told that our prisoners,do not like their detention condition.

i'm confused about it.

 

[Machjo]

You might say the same thing for viewing the grisly results of DUI fatality crashes caused by drunks. Same applies to murder victims like the Chinese lady here in Toronto that was cut up by her scumbag psycho ex-boyfriend. There's gore and madness everywhere, we just don't usually see it.

I'm not a rampant death penalty proponent but I think in sick and extreme cases, sure, kill the bastards. Post haste too.

I've seen plenty of executions of many a variety on the web over the years. Most are very quick.

I don't necessarily think any 'punishment' will absolutely serve as a deterrent for all but if you mean business, don't dick the dog and just get it done, there's less of this taking up space, time and resources. Less playing the system and riding things out forever and a day. Yes, an eye-for-an-eye, popular revenge and catharsis for society and all that jazz too. Much debate on the subject for those that choose to splash around in that pool.

I'm personally not interested but I do have an opinion. As twisted as it may be viewed by some and as lenient by others.

I'm for the death penalty in some cases.

But, and this is a big, big but! They still have a right to a fair trial.

Her boyfriend has been arrested, but we don't know yet that he actually killed her. The fact you're already assuming he did tells me I would not want you on the jury if I were ever charged with anything. I'd be guilty before being proven innocent!

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[darkbeaver]

Death for psycopaths. The death penalty issue has lasting utility similar to the abortion issue and gay rights. It is however in my worthless opinion quite hypocritical to condone and indeed encourage wholesale supranational execution through our military and corporate connections while at the same time limiting our humane concerns only as far as our borders. As long as we don,t see the bodies and smell their burning flesh it,s laudable to conduct bulk executions just by pointing the finger or refusing to lift it. The death sentence for Canada would solve nothing as long as the law protects the professional scum.

 

[JLM]

Its not unheard of for families of victims to not want the person who killed their relative to be executed. The Kennedy's did what they could to prevent RFK's assassin from being executed.

The Kennedy's are a prime example of "the sins of the father coming back to visit the third and fourth generation"! No bigger reprobate than old J.P...................panderer, pimp, pusher! :lol: And possibly a Nazi.!

 

[Blackie]

If we allowed abortion retroactive the problem would be solved. There was a really
good question asked. where were the other people who knew what was going on
when a child was being starved to death? The people who know what's happening
and say nothing should also be held accountable.
I used to be totally against capital punishment and if they were to use it, it should be
administered with severe restrictions.

1 people who rape or kill or torture children
2 planned murder for hire
3 murder as a result of gang violence
4 the killing of judges and in some cases police

In the last instance I said some cases for police. The cops have been behaving badly
of late and we can't automatically take their word for anything anymore.
I also left out politicians because I knew there might be a storm of protest.

“damngrumpy;…..There was a really good question asked. wherewere the other people who knew what was going on when a child was being starvedto death? The people who know what's happening and say nothing should also beheld accountable…...”

That was my question, and I repeat it: . “where were the other peoplewho knew what was going on when a child was being starved to death?” Another Part of my post: …..The people who know what's happening and say nothing should also be heldaccountable…...”

 

[wulfie68]

We sometimes get too hung up on the punishment aspect of the judicial system. Prison time is no country club affair no matter where and how it's served. The purpose is to lock them up to make it safer for the rest of us, not to give the state the power to kill the convicted or make life as miserable as possible for them.

I agree to a very large degree. Public safety should come ahead of punishment/deterrent or the rehabilitation of someone who has violated the rights of others. I am OK with the death penalty in cases where guilt is pretty much absolutely proven (i.e. a gunman survives to be taken into custody, DNA evidence, or a confession,etc) for that reason. The death penalty guarantees in a way no other punishment does, that the criminal cannot re-offend.

 

[Blackie]

That would be a pretty cold hearted if that was the deciding influence.

No, we can't condemn someone for committing an act by perpetrating that same act upon them.

Society, the justice system, needs to be above the actions of criminals. Period.

Mind you I completely understand the sentiment behind most calls for Capital Punishment and I firmly believe, in my heart of hearts, that it is for the majority a purely emotional reaction. I do believe that, if push came to shove, a very good number of people who make noise (most especially in conversation) wouldn't be able to pull the switch themselves. There are some that could, no doubt, but I don't think most people would. They'd like to be able to say yes and then turn the other way.

I also do completelyunderstand the sentiment behind most calls for Capital Punishment.
Perhaps it is,for the majority, a purely emotional reaction. I believe most people wouldn'tbe able to pull the switch themselves. In my mind, for anyone to flick theswitch, do the injection, or whatever else they may do, a person would have nofeelings/emotions at all.
However, when it comes to Bernardo, the one inB.C., and ones that are totally, completely, thoroughly, outright, plain and havesimple, in black and white, and have admittedguilt…… they would obviously have no feelings/emotions at all, they do deserve the death penalty…...

 

[tay]

Norway prison seeks 'friends' to play hockey, chess with mass killer Breivik


Norway prison seeks 'friends' to play hockey, chess with mass killer Breivik - World News

 

[taxslave]

Norway prison seeks 'friends' to play hockey, chess with mass killer Breivik


Norway prison seeks 'friends' to play hockey, chess with mass killer Breivik - World News

Who is the puck?

 

[SLM]

I also do completelyunderstand the sentiment behind most calls for Capital Punishment.
Perhaps it is,for the majority, a purely emotional reaction. I believe most people wouldn'tbe able to pull the switch themselves. In my mind, for anyone to flick theswitch, do the injection, or whatever else they may do, a person would have nofeelings/emotions at all.
However, when it comes to Bernardo, the one inB.C., and ones that are totally, completely, thoroughly, outright, plain and havesimple, in black and white, and have admittedguilt…… they would obviously have no feelings/emotions at all, they do deserve the death penalty…...

It's not about whether or not they deserve to die. They probably do deserve it. But if we're saying that the standard of behaviour within society is to not take a life, we're saying that's criminal if someone does that, then by society taking a life as punishment is lowering that standard.

We, as a civilized society, need to be above that.

In my opinion.

 

[shadowshiv]

Norway prison seeks 'friends' to play hockey, chess with mass killer Breivik


Norway prison seeks 'friends' to play hockey, chess with mass killer Breivik - World News

Why are they even bothering to find "friends" for this monster anyhow? He should be locked away in a tiny cell and not be allowed to interact with any other human beings. There has to be some price to pay for killing 77 people, and losing any comfort to be found in prison is a small step in the right direction.