Incase you missed it: Most of Greenland melted in July.

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Unfortunately this is true. A tyrannical ORTHODOXY has descended on the Academic world with respect to AGW. If you question the IDEOLOGY of AGW.. you will not gain entry to academic programs..you will not get published... you will not get tenure.. you will be humiliated and disparaged by the academic establishment. They've made it clear.. tow the line.. or we'll destroy you career prospects.

And its all based on LIES .. on pagan idolatry of a mythic 'Mother Earth' goddess... it has nothing to do with science.

As for the blog.. it is all footnoted with Scientific reference sites. I know you won't look at them.. but despite the eco-fascist cult that controls AGW, especially in academia.. there are still brave scientists who are not capitulating to this regime of terror.
I think you need psychiatric help. There are fifteen thousand scientists word wide who contribute, even if only reading some papers, to the IPCC report.

They are all involved in some vast conspiracy to deprive Michaels, Carter, and a very few more of the "donations" from Big Oil and Right Wing American Think Tanks!

There are no dissenting voices among researching climate scientists and those in related fields. None. Just a very few, like Spencer and Christie, who, while accepting Climate change, try, because their Church demands it, to push different and proven false, theories as the cause.
 

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Had a lunch with some shmoozy exec types yesterday and it looks like the summer heat is starting to finally turn some heads. You would expect most of these to be blatant deniers, but the corporate world is starting to morph green.

Yeah, but consider the fact that the current oil reserves account for about $27 trillion dollars in assets on the balance sheets of oil companies. You better believe that they aren't going to just cross that out.
 

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Answer: The surface area of the Earth is 510 million square kilometers. The oceans take up 71% of the Earth, meaning a surface area of 362 million square kilometers. The Greenland ice sheet takes up 660 000 square kilometers and is generally 2 kilometers thick for a general volume of 1.32 million cubic kilometers. Dividing this volume over the area of the oceans gives a sea level rise of 3.6 meters.
Brave attempt, but it really is seven metres.

RealClimate: Ice Sheets and Sea Level Rise: Model Failure is the Key Issue
 

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Answer: The surface area of the Earth is 510 million square kilometers. The oceans take up 71% of the Earth, meaning a surface area of 362 million square kilometers. The Greenland ice sheet takes up 660 000 square kilometers and is generally 2 kilometers thick for a general volume of 1.32 million cubic kilometers. Dividing this volume over the area of the oceans gives a sea level rise of 3.6 meters.

My calculations came to 3.7 meters, and only because I was being generous and I took the thickest point of 3,275 meters and applied it to the whole of Greenland land mass and with no tapering on the edges

So I say bullshyte to Cabbagehead...since he has given no proof and I won't take his word without tangible proof.
 

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Had a lunch with some shmoozy exec types yesterday and it looks like the summer heat is starting to finally turn some heads. You would expect most of these to be blatant deniers, but the corporate world is starting to morph green.

Once again... weather.
 

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Answer: The surface area of the Earth is 510 million square kilometers. The oceans take up 71% of the Earth, meaning a surface area of 362 million square kilometers. The Greenland ice sheet takes up 660 000 square kilometers and is generally 2 kilometers thick for a general volume of 1.32 million cubic kilometers. Dividing this volume over the area of the oceans gives a sea level rise of 3.6 meters.

Niflmir, pardon my ignorance but, I was reading the OP wrong.
 

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Had a lunch with some shmoozy exec types yesterday and it looks like the summer heat is starting to finally turn some heads. You would expect most of these to be blatant deniers, but the corporate world is starting to morph green.

"and it looks like the summer heat is finally starting to turn some heads."

That would be weather. Do I need to explain further or are you getting all Flossy on me?

Niflmir, pardon my ignorance but, isn't the Greenland ice sheet already melted and gone?

According to the thread title most of Greenland melted in July... not just the ice sheet. ;)
 

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10 things to know about the U.S. drought


A look at the cause, impact and severity of 2012 drought

By Daniel Schwartz, CBC News

Posted: Jul 26, 2012 9:38 AM ET

Last Updated: Jul 26, 2012 4:44 PM ET


Data released today by the National Drought Mitigation Center shows that almost two-thirds of the contiguous United States is experiencing moderate drought or worse.

In the past week, the drought spread moderately, but intensified significantly.

How serious is this drought in the U.S.?

The National Climatic Data Center's latest report says the U.S. has "the largest moderate to extreme drought area since the 1950s."

The U.S. Drought Monitor map released July 26 showed 64 per cent of the contiguous U.S. in moderate drought or worse and 46 per cent in severe drought or worse. It was the fourth consecutive week in which the new record was set for the total area of the country in drought.

However, the map only dates back to 1999. The U.S. government uses the map to make disaster determinations.

"In the Plains and Midwest states, crop losses mounted, ranchers liquidated herds, and trees continued to drop leaves and branches," the NDMC reports.

By July 25, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) had designated 1,369 counties across 31 states as disaster areas, the largest number in the agency's long history.

The USDA added 76 counties to their natural disaster list on Wednesday, making farmers and ranchers in those areas eligible for federal assistance.

The Drought Monitor forecast model for the week ahead does predict "scattered showers and thunderstorms to Great Plains and Midwest core drought area."


Where is the drought most serious?


The drought map shows that drought conditions are severe in the centre of the contiguous U.S., while the coastal areas and northern border states are better off.

Rain this past week brought some relief to hard hit regions in the northern and eastern Corn Belt, but it stayed dry in the western Corn Belt and much of the Great Plains.

“Not only the dryness but the heat is playing a big and important role," explained Brian Fuchs, a Drought Monitor author. "Even areas that have picked up rain are still suffering because of the heat.”

What is causing the drought?

This drought results from several converging factors.

A La Niña event in the tropical Pacific Ocean, with its cooler-than-average sea surface temperatures, is the key factor. La Niñas usually lead to dry conditions in parts of North America. This La Niña has begun to subside.

In the winter, snowfall was way below average and temperatures were milder, so the soil likely dried faster in the spring and early summer.

In the U.S., the first six months of 2012 were the warmest on record, with record heat waves in March and June.

Heat records continue to be smashed in July.

St. Louis, Mo., for example, has already set its annual record for the most days when the temperature matched or exceeded 105 F (40.56 C). July 25, with a record high of 107 F (42 C), was day 11. The previous record was set in the dust bowl year of 1934.

The role of climate change in this drought has not been determined, but climate scientists have predicted that droughts will become more frequent and intense as a result of global warming.

What's the drought situation in Canada?

Rainfall in most of southern and parts of eastern Ontario during the growing season has been 40 to 60 per cent below normal, according to CBC meteorologist Johanna Wagstaffe. Parts of the Maritmes and western Quebec have been similarly dry.

The Ottawa area has been particularly hard hit by the drought. A shortage of feed crops in the area is forcing livestock farmers to reduce their herds and put animals up for sale.
Gerald Rollins, the director of the Ontario Cattleman's Association, said the drought has stressed the fields, the cows, and the farmers.

Henry Van Ankum, chair of the Grain Farmers of Ontario, says the number of crops on the brink of failure across the province is between 50 and 60 per cent.

A stable, high pressure dome has been keeping the jet stream in northern Canada, contributing to the drought conditions in eastern Canada, as well as the central U.S., Wagstaffe explained.

All that may have changed in the last few days. "The multi-million-dollar rain came," David Phillips, Environment Canada's senior climatologist told CBC News. "We're seeing exactly the rain farmers were praying for, hoping for, begging for."

Phillips says the intense high pressure area has moved east and there is more rain in the forecast for southern and Eastern Ontario, although the Ottawa-area outlook is still dicey.
Environment Canada models are showing the entire country as warmer in August and drier than normal over most areas, but Phillips notes that the precipitation forecasts are difficult to get right.

What crops are most damaged by the drought?

Corn is the worst hit. This year, farmers planted the largest corn crop since 1937, leading to forecasts of a record harvest. Two months of drought and heat have made that seem like a distant memory.


Corn plants struggle to survive on drought-stricken land in Henderson, Kentucky, July 24, 2012. Just 26 per cent of the U.S. corn crop is still in good to excellent condition. John Sommers II/Reuters

The USDA's July 24 Weekly Weather and Crop Bulletin reports that the corn crop continues to deteriorate, with just 26 per cent of corn still in good to excellent condition. At the same time last year, that number was at 62 per cent.

In the Great Plains and the western Corn Belt, "crops withered under the relentless, record-setting temperatures," according to the Bulletin, which notes that this heat "could not have come at a worse time" for corn and soybeans, which are entering the reproductive stage of development.

Soybean crops rated good to excellent tumbled from 65 per cent on June 3 to 31 per cent in the latest Bulletin.

"The current corn and soybean ratings represent the lowest conditions at any time of year since 1988," according to the USDA.

What crops are expected to do well in 2012?

The peanut industry anticipates a bumper crop after drought in the peanut belt devastated harvests in 2011. The USDA reports that 67 per cent of the peanut crop was in good to excellent condition, compared to 30 per cent at the same time last year.

Flavours should be unusually concentrated in some crops. Hot peppers should be hotter and melons should be sweeter.

"Hot, dry conditions result in higher rates of photosynthesis, leading to higher concentrations of fruit sugars," Jim Nienhuis, a horticulturalist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison told Associated Press.


How does the 2012 drought compare to past droughts?

What distinguishes this drought is how it "came on board in a short time frame," Fuchs told CBC News. He is also a climatologist at the NDMC. In May, "for the most part, everything was fine."

Fuchs and his colleagues call this a flash drought, because it developed and intensified so quickly.

This year's drought reminds him of 1988, when drought affecting roughly the same area resulted in a costly natural disaster. Fuchs anticipates there will be a larger yield reduction in 2012 because "this one is hitting everyone harder," he said.

The 1950s drought was more serious because it lasted successive years. Drought had hit the U.S. even harder in the 1930s.

What caused the 1930s Dust Bowl?


The drought that devastated the U.S. dust bowl in the 1930s often produced gigantic dust storms. NOAA Photo Library, Historic NWS collection

"The 1930s drought was the major climatic event in the nation's history," according to Siegfried Schubert of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center.

In 2004, Schubert and colleagues at NASA published the results of their research that showed that the major U.S. droughts of the 1900s, including the dust bowl, were linked to cooler than normal tropical Pacific Ocean surface water temperatures: La Niña. As in 2012, that created dry conditions over the Great Plains.

The mid-'30s also had unusually hot weather.

The Great Depression led to a huge drop in wheat prices, which led farmers to plant more fields in order to cover their costs. In 1931, the first year of the drought, Kansas, the top wheat-growing state, actually had a record wheat harvest, which would stand until the "miracle crop" of 1947.

How the Dust Bowl got its name

The day after one of the worst dust storms in U.S. history, so bad it was named Black Sunday, Robert Geiger of the Associated Press was reporting from the region.

On April 15, 1935, Geiger wrote, "Three little words achingly familiar on a Western farmer’s tongue, rule life in the dust bowl of the continent – 'if it rains.'"

In November, PBS will present The Dust Bowl, a four-hour documentary by acclaimed director Ken Burns.

More than five million acres of previous unplowed land was turned into farms between 1925 and 1930, using what was relatively new machinery.

"Rain follows the plough" was a saying back then, but the farming techniques of that era contributed to the drought by drying out the soil.

When the drought hit and the winds blew away the topsoil, the region turned into a dust bowl.
By 1935, Kansas had its second-smallest wheat crop of the 20th century. That year, government programs to change basic farming methods began. Summer fallow, crop rotation, strip plowing, shelterbelts and other techniques would help reverse some of the damage of past farming practices.

What's the likely result for crop prices and consumers?

U.S. food prices were already increasing more than the inflation rate before the drought, and most economists expect that to continue, but not so much that it ignites inflation pressures.
Corn and soy prices have been on a tear lately, hitting all-time highs last week. Rainfall this week caused prices to fall, especially for soybeans. Much of the corn crop is considered too far gone for new rain to make much difference, so the price drop was much smaller.

Rainfall early in the week caused prices for soybean futures to fall, after reaching record highs last week. Lightning strikes over a barn surrounded by a soybean crop in Donnellson, Iowa, July 13. Adrees Latif/Reuters

Weak consumer demand makes it difficult for food processors to pass on their increased costs. General Mills CEO Ken Powell told Reuters this month that "consumers should see generally stable prices."

The impact could be greater on the price of meat and dairy products. U.S. corn and soybeans are mostly used for animal feed as well as ethanol and cooking oil. Feed makes up nearly half the production costs for poultry and dairy producers.

Economists say it takes about six months for higher crop prices to reach supermarkets, because food processors have usually locked in their costs ahead of time.

Global production levels will also impact domestic prices.


What's the likely impact on U.S. farmers?

Reuters reports that "U.S. farmers face this drought in their strongest financial position in history," due to record high farm income in 2011, debt-to-asset ratios at all-time lows, record-high land values and rising producer prices.

Farmers who use irrigation will feel less impact, while the livestock and dairy sectors will be harder hit, due to higher feed prices. As well, the USDA rates more than half the U.S. pasture and range land as being in very poor or poor condition.

Livestock producers are likely to cull their herds before they are fully grown, and the increased supply could put temporary, downward pressure on meat and dairy products.
Farmers outside the drought-affected areas may get higher prices for their produce, but there's also a downside.

According to Lester Brown, author of Full Planet, Empty Plates: The New Geopolitics of Food Scarcity, "The world may be much closer to an unmanageable food shortage – replete with soaring food prices, spreading food unrest, and ultimately political instability – than most people realize."

With files from Associated Press and Reuters
 

Niflmir

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Niflmir, pardon my ignorance but, I was reading the OP wrong.

I read the story earlier today to and was quite puzzled by it. It turns out that the water basically freezes almost immediately after melting, a phenomenon I have observed on pond ice during some winter days when the sun was shining.

If you think OP was confusing, MIT engineers create LED that has 230% efficiency. Thermodynamics laws still in place

I couldn't believe that when I first read the headline, then I read the paper.
 

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Question: Considering the surface area of Greenland, in comparison with the surface area of all the oceans of the world combined, would the the water level change proportionally more than dropping an ice cube or even an ice bucket in your swimming pool???

And your house would be the height of a thickness of of sheet of paper maybe a white Zig-Zag.

I still don't see any change in the Ice/Snow free area. Have I looked at it long enough?
 

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It says the surface thawed. The elevation difference between before and after wouldn't have changed by more than one centimeter!
 

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....What crops are most damaged by the drought?

Corn is the worst hit. This year, farmers planted the largest corn crop since 1937, leading to forecasts of a record harvest. Two months of drought and heat have made that seem like a distant memory.


Corn plants struggle to survive on drought-stricken land in Henderson, Kentucky, July 24, 2012. Just 26 per cent of the U.S. corn crop is still in good to excellent condition. John Sommers II/Reuters

The USDA's July 24 Weekly Weather and Crop Bulletin reports that the corn crop continues to deteriorate, with just 26 per cent of corn still in good to excellent condition. At the same time last year, that number was at 62 per cent.

In the Great Plains and the western Corn Belt, "crops withered under the relentless, record-setting temperatures," according to the Bulletin, which notes that this heat "could not have come at a worse time" for corn and soybeans, which are entering the reproductive stage of development....


I'm seeing fields & fields of corn in S.E. Saskatchewan this year. I've never
seen that before either. Most of it was between 3&1/2 to 6 feet tall as of
a few days back. That area is still water saturated from the winter before
the last one, and last years rains on top of this years too.
 

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It is seven metres and that is now inevitable.

And of all the stupidity that is posted on these threads this has to be pushing the boundaries out into space. Is there not one of you with even a semblance of a brain.

Don't people with "a semblance of a brain" put question marks after a question???
 

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Show the Math...not a bullshyte article writen by another cabbagehead.

Your calculations! I am impressed. You do know who writes those articles at RealClimate, don't you? Schmodt. the number 2 in NASA'a Earth sciences" Pierrehumbert, Archer, Mann and a couple more.

All among the world's leading climate scientists. They started that blog so that people like you could learn without too much technical confusion. They do have deeper work for those who do have the capacity to make calculations based on knowledge.

Your calculations!