Incase you missed it: Most of Greenland melted in July.

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On NPR the scientist was saying this thawing was due to weather. No matter how much the show's host tried to get him to say it was climate change.

I am wondering why the GW enthusiasts are so bent on using weather as a proof of climate change. What has happened?
Then you heard ther same interview I did. NPR and CBC share broadcasts.
 

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Didn't I read somewhere that if all Greenland's ice melted, the oceans would rise four feet or something. Which
leads to the question; "How much did the oceans rise?"
It is seven metres and that is now inevitable.

And of all the stupidity that is posted on these threads this has to be pushing the boundaries out into space. Is there not one of you with even a semblance of a brain.
 

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It is seven metres and that is now inevitable.

And of all the stupidity that is posted on these threads this has to be pushing the boundaries out into space. Is there not one of you with even a semblance of a brain.

Have you talked to your doctor about getting on a Thorazine or Prozac regimen?
 

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It's inevitable...If that is what you think Cabbage then have a beer and stop acting like a little brat.
 

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On NPR the scientist was saying this thawing was due to weather. No matter how much the show's host tried to get him to say it was climate change.

I am wondering why the GW enthusiasts are so bent on using weather as a proof of climate change. What has happened?

'Cuz they don't have any more clue than anyone else! :smile:
 

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This is a reliable counter blog to the FEAR MONGERING that dominates the mainstream media on the topic of AGW. (It's the second article down, at the time of posting)

World Climate Report

It reveals not only the incendiary term 'unprecedented' by NASA is completely inaccurate, as thermal inversions happen regularly, and have caused melt offs, and build ups of ice in cycles.. AND.. that this melt was a localized and temporary anomoly.. that has already dissolved. This is about WEATHER not CLIMATE.

What is revealing about this, is the language used by this reveals NASA has devolved into a purveyor of Junk Science.. and the behest of the AGW conspiracy. They've lost their integrity and are attempting to secure their existence by supporting a political agenda that is directly averse to the real science method.. and functions only from fear, rumour, superstition and deep antipathy to the human cause.. revealing its pagan origins.

It's a sad commentary on the state of the Agency today compared to the bold sense of science and exploration on which it was founded 60 years ago.
 
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Reached a "tipping point"? It appears the Greenland Ice cap is gone. A little thinking, rather than the name calling
might be nice.
Are you trying to say something?

This is a reliable counter blog to the FEAR MONGERING that dominates the mainstream media on the topic of AGW.

World Climate Report

It reveals not only the incendiary term 'unprecedented' by NASA is completely inaccurate. as thermal inversions happen regularly, and have caused melt off, and build ups of ice in cycles.. AND.. that this melt was a localized and temporary anomoly.. that has already dissolved. This is about WEATHER not CLIMATE.

What is revealing about this, is the language used by this reveals NASA has devolved into a purveyor of Junk Science.. and the behest of the AGW conspiracy. They've lost their integrity and are attempting to secure their existence by supporting political agenda that are directly averse to the real science.. and function only from fear, rumour, superstition.. revealing its pagan origins. A sad commentary on the state of the Agency today compared to the bold sense of science and exploration on which it was founded 60 years ago.

World Climate Report is Pat Michaels site. Pat Michaels is a fraud funded by the usual suspects to lie about and misrepresent the science. He was forced to admit that 40% of his funding came from those sources when investigation had showed that it was far more than that.

He does no research and is not a front rank scientist anyway.

Lindzen, cited in the article is also a once reasonable scientist who went over for money. He is still miffed at his work on Galactic Cosmic Rays having been disproved and refuted by climate scientists.

"Unprecedented" is the correct term and it is good to see that Michaels can use a dictionary even if the science has left him behind. It is unprecedented in that the reasons are the warming that did not happen before.

You do know that the ice is melting from underneath the icecap now as the warmer ocean waters erode the edges. The glacial melt is accelerating because of that. This has not happened for more than 125,000 years.
 

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Are you trying to say something?



World Climate Report is Pat Michaels site. Pat Michaels is a fraud funded by the usual suspects to lie about and misrepresent the science. He was forced to admit that 40% of his funding came from those sources when investigation had showed that it was far more than that.

He does no research and is not a front rank scientist anyway.

Lindzen, cited in the article is also a once reasonable scientist who went over for money. He is still miffed at his work on Galactic Cosmic Rays having been disproved and refuted by climate scientists.

"Unprecedented" is the correct term and it is good to see that Michaels can use a dictionary even if the science has left him behind. It is unprecedented in that the reasons are the warming that did not happen before.

You do know that the ice is melting from underneath the icecap now as the warmer ocean waters erode the edges. The glacial melt is accelerating because of that. This has not happened for more than 125,000 years.


Attack the messenger.. typical. Do you have any response to the scientific critique. I know you don't.. the AGW fraud has given up on that because they know they don't have a leg to stand on.

And hey where does the money for the AGW fraud come from anyway. I'm sure an audit would show you Hedge Funds involved in Carbon Credit speculation are knee deep in it.. a financial boondoggle of mind boggling proportions.

It's kind of sad and pathetic the AGW scamsters can't come up with anything more original.. as their 'science' fall apart.. they are left grasping at straws.. and portraying themselves as isolated idealists under attack by Global Petrochemical corporations.. when in fact they control the academic and media structures that are postulating these lies.

As to the 'melting ice'. the original hysterical reports of Polar Melts.. once a centre piece of AGW orthodoxy has more or less disappeared... Since Pacific atolls are not being swamped.. Manhattan is not under water... coastlines are not being re-mapped hundreds of miles in land.

In fact even NASA now concedes that the Sea Level is increasing.. AT about 6" per CENTURY.. likely the result of a cyclical warming that has taken place since the end of the Mini Ice Age early in the 19th Century (prior to the industrial epoch).. and will likely recede in what a appears to be a pattern of about 500 years between highs and lows.
 
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It is seven metres and that is now inevitable.

Question: Considering the surface area of Greenland, in comparison with the surface area of all the oceans of the world combined, would the the water level change proportionally more than dropping an ice cube or even an ice bucket in your swimming pool???
 

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Attack the messenger.. typical. Do you have any response to the scientific critique. I know you don't.. the AGW fraud has given up on that because they know they don't have a leg to stand on.

And hey where does the money for the AGW fraud come from anyway. I'm sure an audit would show you Hedge Funds involved in Carbon Credit speculation are knee deep in it.

It's kind of sad and pathetic the AGW scamsters can't come up with anything more original.. as their 'science' fall apart.. they are left grasping at straws.. and portraying themselves as isolated idealists.. when in fact they control the academic and media structures that are postulating these lies.

There is no message to attack: no scientific critique. The messenger is a fraud so why not attack fraud? I showed the fraud since it lies in the Ice Melt and the reasons for it that Michaels pretends do not exist.

Then, what the devil does any Carbon credit structure have to do with th science that Michaels is denying?

The science is not "falling apart." It is now so solid and indisputable that only fools and frauds still try to contradict it. There has not been a peer reviewd paper, save a couple in publications that reputable scientists will not use, published in several years that, with any credibility, disputes any part of the body of work and evidence.

Your final paragraph is too foolish to need reply. THe whole world of science is totally supportive of AGW within climate change.
 

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Are you trying to say something?


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Had a lunch with some shmoozy exec types yesterday and it looks like the summer heat is starting to finally turn some heads. You would expect most of these to be blatant deniers, but the corporate world is starting to morph green.
 

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There has not been a peer reviewd paper, save a couple in publications that reputable scientists will not use, published in several years that, with any credibility, disputes any part of the body of work and evidence.

Unfortunately this is true. A tyrannical ORTHODOXY has descended on the Academic world with respect to AGW. If you question the IDEOLOGY of AGW.. you will not gain entry to academic programs..you will not get published... you will not get tenure.. you will be humiliated and disparaged by the academic establishment. They've made it clear.. tow the line.. or we'll destroy you career prospects.

And its all based on LIES .. on pagan idolatry of a mythic 'Mother Earth' goddess... it has nothing to do with science.

As for the blog.. it is all footnoted with Scientific reference sites. I know you won't look at them.. but despite the eco-fascist cult that controls AGW, especially in academia.. there are still brave scientists who are not capitulating to this regime of terror.
 

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Question: Considering the surface area of Greenland, in comparison with the surface area of all the oceans of the world combined, would the the water level change proportionally more than dropping an ice cube or even an ice bucket in your swimming pool???

Yes! It would rise seven metres. The Greenland Icecap is miles thick. It needs no imagination to see the consequences.
 

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Question: Considering the surface area of Greenland, in comparison with the surface area of all the oceans of the world combined, would the the water level change proportionally more than dropping an ice cube or even an ice bucket in your swimming pool???

Answer: The surface area of the Earth is 510 million square kilometers. The oceans take up 71% of the Earth, meaning a surface area of 362 million square kilometers. The Greenland ice sheet takes up 660 000 square kilometers and is generally 2 kilometers thick for a general volume of 1.32 million cubic kilometers. Dividing this volume over the area of the oceans gives a sea level rise of 3.6 meters.