At least 10 killed after shooting during 'Dark Knight' screening in Colorado

[Locutus]

Via Fark:

Some smarty-pants HS educator gives a great impromptu analysis of what can be taught to our kids from the Aurora media coverage. Difficulty: lots of words, reason



The Information Skills for the 24/7 News Cycle Age: An Analysis of the Reporting of #theatershooting

Abstract: an analysis of high-impact news stories and the 24 hour analysis-reporting cycle as it impacts the teaching of communications and information literacy.

I think the best description of the news-commentary-begets-more-news cycle I have heard came from Jon Stewart on the daily show. I looked (lightly) for the specific clip, but could not find it. If I do, I will be sure to link to it. Essentially:

• News Channel Reports factual data
• During the commentary/analysis period, the data is interpreted to draw a more meaningful/slanted conclusion to the benefit of the station, political bias, commentator, ratings, etc.
• During the next NEWS period, the conclusion is reported as breaking news about the original story citing experts, sources, etc.

This is one of the examples that we use in #digcit to discuss PLN bias and the need to be more savvy about news in the modern era than ever before.


lots more words and reason here:

Confessions of a Jesuit School CIO: The Information Skills for the 24/7 News Cycle Age: An Analysis of the Reporting of #theatershooting

 

[Cabbagesandking]

Approximately 30,000 Americans die each year by guns. 10.000 of those are homicides. What this demonstrates is not that America is a land of liberty or "the best nation in the world," but that it is a barbaric society where citizens are afraid to walk through their own streets. A frightened people in a land that has betrayed its promise.

It is tiresome hearing the "people kill people. liturgy. It is more so hearing that this mayhem is protected by the Constitution. That Constitutional protection is derived from the British common law (Britain's Constitution) in provisions that go back nearly one thousand years.

But Britain nullified that long ago as the nation became modern and civilised. America is locked into this prehistoric mindset.

There is absolutely no purpose to be served in the proliferation of guns and no reason can support it. Guns have a place only where needed for military or law enforcement reasons and for certain wilderness occupations or travels.

For the rest, it would have saved hundreds of thousands of American lives had Heston's guns been prised "from his cold, dead hands" a decade before he went to his gunnery in the sky and had a few dozen been taken with him.

The gun culture is barbarism and the modern world outside America acted on that long ago.

 

[B00Mer]

Approximately 30,000 Americans die each year by guns. 10.000 of those are homicides. What this demonstrates is not that America is a land of liberty or "the best nation in the world," but that it is a barbaric society where citizens are afraid to walk through their own streets. A frightened people in a land that has betrayed its promise.

Please provide a link to your stats.. thank you..

OUT LAW CARS!!!!

There were nearly 6,420,000 auto accidents in the United States in 2005. The financial cost of these crashes is more than 230 Billion dollars. 2.9 million people were injured and 42,636 people killed. About 115 people die every day in vehicle crashes in the United States -- one death every 13 minutes.

Car Accident Statistics, Stats, Auto, Fatal, Drunk Driving

Honestly I think it would be better for the environment, and less animals would be hit on the road.. oh come on, this is the worst trolling post ever.. never mind.

Guns will never be outlawed in the USA, it's part of the American culture, so talking about it, is just wishful thinking for some people.

 

[Colpy]

Approximately 30,000 Americans die each year by guns. 10.000 of those are homicides. What this demonstrates is not that America is a land of liberty or "the best nation in the world," but that it is a barbaric society where citizens are afraid to walk through their own streets. A frightened people in a land that has betrayed its promise.

It is tiresome hearing the "people kill people. liturgy. It is more so hearing that this mayhem is protected by the Constitution. That Constitutional protection is derived from the British common law (Britain's Constitution) in provisions that go back nearly one thousand years.

But Britain nullified that long ago as the nation became modern and civilised. America is locked into this prehistoric mindset.

There is absolutely no purpose to be served in the proliferation of guns and no reason can support it. Guns have a place only where needed for military or law enforcement reasons and for certain wilderness occupations or travels.

For the rest, it would have saved hundreds of thousands of American lives had Heston's guns been prised "from his cold, dead hands" a decade before he went to his gunnery in the sky and had a few dozen been taken with him.

The gun culture is barbarism and the modern world outside America acted on that long ago.

Okay, from the top:

The murder rate in the United States is considerably LESS than the world average..........the USA is a relatively SAFE place.

You can NOT put the genie back in the bottle. There are 300 million guns in the USA, a constitutional right to keep and bear, and hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Americans ready to re-fight the American Revolution should anyone attempt to subvert the Bill of Rights. Good Luck!!!

Guns are used for self-defense in the USA more than a million times a year. Think about the innocent dead if the law-abiding are denied the tools to defend themselves.

The gun culture is not barbarism, it is liberty.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

Please provide a link to your stats.. thank you..

OUT LAW CARS!!!!

There were nearly 6,420,000 auto accidents in the United States in 2005. The financial cost of these crashes is more than 230 Billion dollars. 2.9 million people were injured and 42,636 people killed. About 115 people die every day in vehicle crashes in the United States -- one death every 13 minutes.

Car Accident Statistics, Stats, Auto, Fatal, Drunk Driving

Honestly I think it would be better for the environment, and less animals would be hit on the road.. oh come on, this is the worst trolling post ever.. never mind.

Guns will never be outlawed in the USA, it's part of the American culture, so talking about it, is just wishful thinking for some people.

I did not think a link would be necessary for that. Here, though, is a page of them. It is something that I have been arguing for years and particularly since our current federal government is headed by one who would like to see Canada "just like the USA."

https://www.google.ca/search?q=gun+...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

I think the automobile analogy was dealt with by others. I don't see why you would repeat it. You are smarter than to accept that one.

 

[B00Mer]

I think the automobile analogy was dealt with by others. I don't see why you would repeat it. You are smarter than to accept that one.

Yes that's why I admittedly said that was the worst trolling post ever...

You will never take the gun out of the American home, as for Canada.. dunno, but doubt it to.. as a kid my father had rifles in the home.

There are plenty of responsible people that use guns to hunt, target practice.. and don't go out and kill someone for fun.

Out of your stats, which one of those killings are in self defense? Suicides?

Personally, if I had cancer that could not be treated, I would live as long as I could till I need to turn a gun on myself.. so I would be a Gun stat?

 

[Cabbagesandking]

Okay, from the top:

The murder rate in the United States is considerably LESS than the world average..........the USA is a relatively SAFE place.

You can NOT put the genie back in the bottle. There are 300 million guns in the USA, a constitutional right to keep and bear, and hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Americans ready to re-fight the American Revolution should anyone attempt to subvert the Bill of Rights. Good Luck!!!

Guns are used for self-defense in the USA more than a million times a year. Think about the innocent dead if the law-abiding are denied the tools to defend themselves.

The gun culture is not barbarism, it is liberty.

Do you get your information from NRA pamphlets? The murder rate in the USA is higher than in any other advanced country. Several times higher than in most. Perhaps it would make a deeper impression if the real advanced world stopped referring to the USA as a member of that club?

There are sixty million people in Britain; 80 million people in Germany; fifty plus million in both France and Italy. They all managed to eradicate the gun culture long ago. So did Mexico, btw. It is calculated that around 90% of the gun deaths there are caused by guns smuggled in from the USA. Just 2/3rds of Canadian gun crimes are (from the latest statistic and up from 50%).

 

[Serryah]

Oh get real!!!

He bought them PERFECTLY LEGALLY.

The people that sold him the guns sell thousands every year, these were probably the first ever to be used in a murder.

READ the US constitution.

So now he's a friggin' hero because he followed the rules to break the laws? "Oh he bought them legally! Who gives a damn what he does with them after! They're legal!" How about you get real, Colpy. In that one time some nutcase bought his weapons, he's killed 12, injured 50, and you're making it sound like that's okay, because he got the guns legally!

Baloney.

I live in a gun culture. The vast majority of people I know own guns, hunt, target shoot, and many of them own handguns. I carried a gun in my job for over a decade, and know dozens of people that did the same.

I have never known anyone seriously wounded or killed with a gun. One guy was hit with bullet fragments from a richocet.........no medical aid required. That is IT!!! Oh, and I knew Che-Che Peters, a low-life accidentally shot by another criminal with an illegal gun back in 1975.

Uh huh, and my dad owns guns despite only needing one to go hunting with.

Not the point I was making.

The ultimate end for guns is to kill, there is no if, ands or buts about it. Kill animals, kill people, whatever. It's to kill. I'm tired of the "people kill people with guns" BS like others are and gun owners need to seriously get over the fact they own weapons that kill.

I DO know people that were killed by tobacco, alcohol, cars, and ATVs.

So do I, but the ultimate end of cars, tobacco, alcohol, ATV's, et al is not to kill. That's the big friggin difference and you - and other gun people - need to get that through your heads. It's like being an alcoholic: admit there's a problem and you might finally start fixing it. I'm not saying every person who owns a gun is a person who will go and kill people, I'm saying the weapon is there, the possibility is increased because of it for massacre's like this and while people are wanting to do something about it, there are gun jerks who are more concerned over an inanimate weapon than the people whose lives that have been taken/will be taken by said weapon.

It's impossible to restrict guns in general at this late a stage of things, but come on, does every Joe need a friggin semi-auto in their life? Do they need something that was made to pop out dozens of rounds per minute?

BTW, the right to keep and bear arms is one of those things the peasants fought to get over hundreds of years.........it is not something to be dismissed with an arrogant flick of the wrist.[/QUOTE]

Yep, back in the days when guns were a single shot and had a limited range. I doubt they ever dreamed that guns would reach the stupidity they're at right now. Huge difference, and absolutely not relevant to today.

 

[Just the Facts]

Interesting stats here, although the US is high in firearm deaths, it's actually very low in overall homocides. Looks like people kill people, any way they can.

Murders per 100,000 people statistics - countries compared - Nationmaster

 

[shadowshiv]

I had to read this twice to make sure it wasn't a mistake! But apparently she stepped out just before the shooting started in the food court.

Colorado shooting victim survived Toronto Eaton Centre shooting | Sympatico.ca News

I cannot imagine how terrifying it would be. Being in the middle of a packed theater, you would not have a clear route to the exit, and you would be surrounded by panicking people.

And I find it so disheartening that the girl survives(or at least escapes unscathed) the Eaton Centre shooting because of a feeling she had, but ends up dying at the end of a coward's spray of bullets only a short time later. Sometimes it feels like fate has a cruel sense of humour.

My heart goes out to all the victims of this tragedy, and to all of their families.

I hope that whatever justice ends up being meted to this gutless piece of crap, whether it happens in this world or the next, it measures to the pain and suffering that he caused so many people.

 

[SLM]

And I find it so disheartening that the girl survives(or at least escapes unscathed) the Eaton Centre shooting because of a feeling she had, but ends up dying at the end of a coward's spray of bullets only a short time later. Sometimes it feels like fate has a cruel sense of humour.

Exactly, disheartening is a good way to put it.

 

[JLM]

Oh get real!!!

He bought them PERFECTLY LEGALLY.

I don't see that as being any kind of a defense. If you can do stuff perfectly legally that results in innocent deaths then I think some adjusting or tweaking is in order. The gun per se is definitely not the problem, the problem is that a mentally disturbed person was able to buy the gun. I don't know how we can stop that from happening.

Exactly, disheartening is a good way to put it.

Just so sad.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

Interesting stats here, although the US is high in firearm deaths, it's actually very low in overall homocides. Looks like people kill people, any way they can.

Murders per 100,000 people statistics - countries compared - Nationmaster

You misunderstand facts. The rate in the US is from two to five times higher than in any other developed nation - depending on how Russia fits that description.

It is somewhat lower than the international average. It is, though, far higher than in any First World nation.

 

[Colpy]

You misunderstand facts. The rate in the US is from two to five times higher than in any other developed nation - depending on how Russia fits that description.

It is somewhat lower than the international average. It is, though, far higher than in any First World nation.

BALONEY.

Sometimes it seems to me that you guys NEVER get anything right.

Brazil is the sixth largest economy on earth, as of 2011, according to the IMF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

It has a murder rate over 5 times that of the USA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

 

[Just the Facts]

Yup, I get it. Although a lot of the countries high on the list are not exactly back woods, like South Africa. AFAIK SA is a modern country. Same with a lot of the Eastern European countries on the list. Not that being back woods or third world is an excuse to have a high murder rate.

Edit: What he said..... :laughing3:

 

[Colpy]

Yup, I get it. Although a lot of the countries high on the list are not exactly back woods, like South Africa. AFAIK SA is a modern country. Same with a lot of the Eastern European countries on the list. Not that being back woods or third world is an excuse to have a high murder rate.

Maybe it is poverty that causes murder, and we should lock up all the poor people.

Or maybe it is because they aren't white, and we should lock up all the non-whites in the world.

Or at least we can feel smugly superior, and disregard their stats as irrelevant............

 

[Just the Facts]

BALONEY.

Sometimes it seems to me that you guys NEVER get anything right.

Brazil is the sixth largest economy on earth, as of 2011, according to the IMF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

It has a murder rate over 5 times that of the USA.

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow the murder rate in South Africa has really dropped. They must have liberalized their gun laws!

 

[Colpy]

Interestingly enough, while incredibly dramatic, mass shootings account for only 1/10 of 1% of murders................that is one out of 1000.

Mass public killings under 1% of all murders | World | News | National Post

 

[Cabbagesandking]

BALONEY.

Sometimes it seems to me that you guys NEVER get anything right.

Brazil is the sixth largest economy on earth, as of 2011, according to the IMF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

It has a murder rate over 5 times that of the USA.

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perhaps you should learn to read. Or, if you can already, do something about your cognitive deficiencies.

The situation is exactly as I described with the USA being by far the worst offender amongst First World nations.. Nearly three times the homicides of the UK is one example. Five and more times some others.

Brazil and South Africa are not First World countries and are far from that status. They are just emerging into modern societies with a long way to go for many areas and populations in their countries.

The American situation is barbaric for a fully developed (economically and culturally) nation.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Okay, from the top:

The murder rate in the United States is considerably LESS than the world average..........the USA is a relatively SAFE place.

You can NOT put the genie back in the bottle. There are 300 million guns in the USA, a constitutional right to keep and bear, and hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Americans ready to re-fight the American Revolution should anyone attempt to subvert the Bill of Rights. Good Luck!!!

Guns are used for self-defense in the USA more than a million times a year. Think about the innocent dead if the law-abiding are denied the tools to defend themselves..

OK let's look at reality. Instead of the usual nonsense spouted by the gun obsessed.

Your second point first. There really is no hard evidence whatsoever that possession of firearms lowers the crime rate. In fact it probably has no affect at all given the fact that if a criminal is at all worried about facing a firearm while committing a crime he will simply resort to using a firearm himself or seek a softer target. He is certainly not going to give up crime; he is after all, a criminal.
Colorado is an open carry state with very limited restrictions of firearm ownership. If the pro-gun policies in that state could not prevent what happened in Aurora then they are not going to prevent crime anywhere.

Now for your first point. Yes, you can put the genie back in the bottle. All that has to be done is to have a nation-wide method of insuring the following:
1. All gun prospective gun owners must acquire a license to own firearms. This license should require that the prospective owner knows the proper way to use a firearm. It should also require a background check to insure that the prospective owner does not present a danger to society.
2. No one should be allowed to buy and stockpile thousands of rounds of ammunition as did the nut case in Aurora.
3. The second amendment says nothing about the type of arms that should be allowed. Therefore heavy restrictions should be placed on firearms that are not to be used for sport or recreation

It is interesting to note that this has already been done in some parts of the US.. The highest rates of gun ownership in the US are in states with the slackest gun laws.

The problem is easily solvable, but probably not before there have been numerous repeat incidents like that of Aurora.