U.S. summer a global warming preview, scientists say

CDNBear

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The tar sands are projected to use enough natural gas to heat all the home in Canada in the coming decades, we're using the least polluting form of fossil fuel to process the most polluting form, tell me how that makes sense.
That doesn't answer his question.

I'm not surprised.
 

Redmonton_Rebel

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There are no other sources of power dimwhit. That is the whole point. All our equipment runs on diesel and will for the forseeable future. There is no alternative yet so a carbon tax is just a tax on earning a living. WE do not even have natural gas available nor do we have public transportation yet town is only 8km away and the highway is about 100 meters.

In BC nuclear of any sort will not pass a referendum so as I said before that is a none starter.

Keep it adult or I'll just stop responding, I don't need abuse from you or anyone.

There are many other sources of energy, the infrastructure to provide them in enough quantity isn't being created in favor of maintaining the fossil fuel sector. Diesel fuel doesn't have to come from the ground and we don't even have to maintain the same wasteful energy model, there are much more efficient ways to use power and resources, it's the wasteful mentality that's built up around the use of "cheap" fossil fuels that keeps people thinking the way you do.

You keep claiming what's impossible and I've already pointed out to you that politics is the art of the possible, effectively presented people will support the options that give them the best return the challenge is to present THE FACTS in a way that makes clear the true choices.

There's a whole world of possibilities being ignored and denied us because a few highly resistant individuals in crucial positions. Based on history this won't go on inevitably, as the inevitable environmental backlash hits so will the social one. The smart course for all concerned is to change course now before it gets bloody, unfortunately that's not the usual pattern from history.
 

captain morgan

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I love how when a heat wave hits we get the lecture of it being a preview of global warming (records being broken or tied have stood for 100 years -- imagine that it got this hot 100 years ago) but if we get a cold summer, we are told we can't look at current weather as an indicator of global warming or not.

A small correction there.

When we have a non-record breaking summer, the usual suspects begin their 'climate change' chant and decry the virtual ice age upon which we are on the precipice.

It's a mugs game in the end.... Next time that they have a greenie get together to protest whatever, I'm gonna set a table for 3 card monty amongst the crowd... I'll clean up in no time

You got some evidence of this.

He most certainly does - Suzuki told 'em... It's gotta be true
 

EagleSmack

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The bankruptcy of a very minor part of the industry does not justify the claim. The industry is growing hugely in the US and around the world.

Half a billion lossed in one company alone does not justify it? I'd like to have your pockets then.
 

taxslave

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Keep it adult or I'll just stop responding, I don't need abuse from you or anyone.

There are many other sources of energy, the infrastructure to provide them in enough quantity isn't being created in favor of maintaining the fossil fuel sector. Diesel fuel doesn't have to come from the ground and we don't even have to maintain the same wasteful energy model, there are much more efficient ways to use power and resources, it's the wasteful mentality that's built up around the use of "cheap" fossil fuels that keeps people thinking the way you do.

You keep claiming what's impossible and I've already pointed out to you that politics is the art of the possible, effectively presented people will support the options that give them the best return the challenge is to present THE FACTS in a way that makes clear the true choices.

There's a whole world of possibilities being ignored and denied us because a few highly resistant individuals in crucial positions. Based on history this won't go on inevitably, as the inevitable environmental backlash hits so will the social one. The smart course for all concerned is to change course now before it gets bloody, unfortunately that's not the usual pattern from history.

You figure out how we can make heavy equipment run on anything but diesel and get back to us.
 

Cabbagesandking

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Half a billion lossed in one company alone does not justify it? I'd like to have your pockets then.

Well, first it is not half a billion in losses. It is likely to be nowhere that. It is half a billion in loan guarantees. That half billion represents less than 2% of the total committed to the programme and the outstanding success of the remaining 98%.

Renewable energy producers and startups now far outnumber the traditional fuels in employment and investment.
 

Redmonton_Rebel

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You figure out how we can make heavy equipment run on anything but diesel and get back to us.

It's already been figured out, the original diesel engine was intended to run on vegetable oil, not fuel from petroleum.

If you can use filtered cooking oil to run diesel engines then why are we tearing up hundreds of square miles of the tar sands, using incredible amounts of natural gas and water to produce a heavy crude that still needs even more refining to produce gas and diesel and leaves extensive toxic wastes behind.

There are much better alternatives, it's a system on autopilot that leaves us where we are not practicality.
 

petros

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Shoudn't crop land go to grow food instead of fuel? There are people starving on this planet and you want to starve more?
 

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Well, first it is not half a billion in losses. It is likely to be nowhere that. It is half a billion in loan guarantees. That half billion represents less than 2% of the total committed to the programme and the outstanding success of the remaining 98%.

That is just ONE company Cabbage. One company has already lost OVER half a billion of taxpayer money.

Solyndra drew $527 MILLION of of a $537 MILLION loan from the U.S Government. That doesn't include the $1.1 BILLION in private funds.

FAIL

Solyndra bankruptcy may be a total loss for taxpayers - Sep. 30, 2011



Renewable energy producers and startups now far outnumber the traditional fuels in employment and investment.
Great. They better produce then eh?

Shoudn't crop land go to grow food instead of fuel? There are people starving on this planet and you want to starve more?


Isn't that right. When corn oil was praised as the new fuel everyone cheered. Then they realized that land used to produce food would go to bio-fuels meaning less food for starving people.

Then it wasn't such a great idea.
 

petros

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Isn't that right. When corn oil was praised as the new fuel everyone cheered. Then they realized that land used to produce food would go to bio-fuels meaning less food for starving people.

Then it wasn't such a great idea.
And now we are stuck with Fed law on both sides of the border mandating we have a 10%+ ethanol content.

I like laws that starve people, they are sooooo green. Less people, less problems right?
 

EagleSmack

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And now we are stuck with Fed law on both sides of the border mandating we have a 10%+ ethanol content.

I like laws that starve people, they are sooooo green. Less people, less problems right?

And if memory serves me right somebody here said "over population" is sort of a PC subject. I wondered what he meant but I did ask if the Greenies had a human culling plan.

I didn't get an answer.