U.S. summer a global warming preview, scientists say

Cabbagesandking

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I just know being in Columbus, OH the temp was record breaking .... 100 year old records. If last summer or the past 15 were hotter than norm, you would think the record would have been more recent would it not?

2 summers ago was a cold summer. I recall the arguments from then. And it was as stupid a comment then as the premise of this thread is now.
Individual records are an anomaly. A long term pattern is a trend. There is no reas=on on Eartg why the record in any one place should not have been 100 years ago. That record being approached every year and finally surpasses is reason for great concern.
 

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This 'hot' summer is the sixteenth of the past seventeen that are all the warmest in the record. That is a trend that cannot be denied and the couple of decades prior also produced records - just not every year.
Got a link or is this just another cabbage fart?
 

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Our skies were unusually hazy this morning thanks to fires burning in Russia apparently which took me to the Google Global Incident Map that shows among other things fires burning around the world. Funny, that I didn't see anything in Russia but the map of the US is truly amazing. It looks like fires are burning in all but nine or ten states and the Western area is really ablaze.

Check it out @
Global Incident Map Displaying Forest Fires - Wildland Fires - Etc
 

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Our skies were unusually hazy this morning thanks to fires burning in Russia apparently which took me to the Google Global Incident Map that shows among other things fires burning around the world. Funny, that I didn't see anything in Russia but the map of the US is truly amazing. It looks like fires are burning in all but nine or ten states and the Western area is really ablaze.

Check it out @
Global Incident Map Displaying Forest Fires - Wildland Fires - Etc

It is my understanding, in some areas, fire is a part of the normal cycle. It burns and goes out eventually revitalizing a whole area. Man enters and tries to do 'fire prevention' tactics which works for a while but when the fire inevitably does come, its big and burns a lot longer as it has years and years of extra fuel not previously burned.
 

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Now, now, Walter - what sort of complaint is this? Yes, the Supreme Court is not composed of scientists; but jurists have the authority to rule on scientific evidence. (It happens thousands of times every day from the simple drunk-driving case to the most complex patent litigation.) It won’t do to persist in denying it. More often it’s better to go with the flow, than swim against the current and get left behind.
 

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Not true!

It isn't? Please enlighten me then.

Now, now, Walter - what sort of complaint is this? Yes, the Supreme Court is not composed of scientists; but jurists have the authority to rule on scientific evidence. (It happens thousands of times every day from the simple drunk-driving case to the most complex patent litigation.) It won’t do to persist in denying it. More often it’s better to go with the flow, than swim against the current and get left behind.

Honestly... I don't see how you can really say which way the current is flowing...


Canada Announces Exit From Kyoto Climate Treaty

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/science/earth/canada-leaving-kyoto-protocol-on-climate-change.html


... and the US never signed on.
 

taxslave

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We're going to be paying anyway, why not get something in return.

I just heard a few weeks back that OPEC has decided $70 or $80 a barrel just doesn't cut it and wants the level at around $120 or higher. At some point we're going to have to get the monkey off our backs.

And I have no problem in the world with demanding a lot more accountability from the process.

politics btw is the art of the possible, not the impossible as some of the posters here seem to think. If we want something enough we're going to get it.

I want cheap oil as much as I want to win lottomax. So when do oil companies and the taxman quit stealing from us at the pump.
 

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That's so close to making sense.

The magnetosphere could disappear tomorrow and we'd still be stuck with the problem of too much CO2 trapping electromagnetic radiation which isn't even affected by a magnetic field. Photons have no charge.

A tax on fossil fuels if applied correctly will have several affects.

1. It will place a realistic cost on the use of fossil fuels which get a huge subsidy by not being held responsible for negative impacts.

2. If distributed as a dividend to consumers will give them the ability to choose other sources of power(remember fossil fuels become less competetive when their true cost is applied)

There are no other sources of power dimwhit. That is the whole point. All our equipment runs on diesel and will for the forseeable future. There is no alternative yet so a carbon tax is just a tax on earning a living. WE do not even have natural gas available nor do we have public transportation yet town is only 8km away and the highway is about 100 meters.

In BC nuclear of any sort will not pass a referendum so as I said before that is a none starter.
 

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Come November I'm going to plant some snow peas.
I plant them in late november,take the old black and decker out to the garden and start drilling holes for the snow peas to be planted in.

It is my understanding, in some areas, fire is a part of the normal cycle. It burns and goes out eventually revitalizing a whole area. Man enters and tries to do 'fire prevention' tactics which works for a while but when the fire inevitably does come, its big and burns a lot longer as it has years and years of extra fuel not previously burned.
Yup,you bet,I hate to say it but the enviromentalists back in the 70,s were right.Your only delaying a forest fire by not letting it happen naturally.
 

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The bankruptcy of a very minor part of the industry does not justify the claim. The industry is growing hugely in the US and around the world.
That's interesting, since the article I posted states...

The financial failure of the three American companies has left China as the world's dominant solar industry manufacturer, with nearly 60 percent of the global production capacity.
 

Kakato

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Kakato and Petros don't care about truth, they just want to win an argument. They'll go so far as to twist words and put words in others' mouths so to speak. Interpret someone else's word in one rigid manner and stick to it damning all else.

Typical trolls. Garden variety. :lol:

Too funny,something you and your fanbois practice on a regular basis.


Face it Tonn. You got powned!
 

CDNBear

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Too funny,something you and your fanbois practice on a regular basis.


Face it Tonn. You got powned!
Funny, you cry like a bitch when you get trolled, and yet here you are...

Weaponizing homosexuality and using 'powned', to troll. The latter of which, you've been adamant about being only used by 13yo's.
 
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Cabbagesandking

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If memory serve me right two or three years ago there really wan't much of an Atlantic storm season at all.

Memory does not serve you well. There are a few pieces about Hurricanes in this link that may jog it.

The fact is, that Hurricanes are getting stronger as they must with the extra energy in the warmer waters. To try to wish this one away is foolishness and dangerous for preparedness in the likely to be hit areas. Also, the basin is expanding and hurricanes and storms are forming in wider areas.

Global Warming and Hurricanes | The Intersection | Discover Magazine

That's interesting, since the article I posted states...
That does not contradict my post. China has become that without any input from minor American bankruptcies. I have posted previously about the massive investments China is making and they predated any bankruptcy.

Posted like a true lemming.

Just as I thought, another cabbage fart.
Are these your winter cabbages you keep referring to. Perhaps you should switch to Snowpeas.
 

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That completely avoids the reality of what is actually happening. Money is being wasted on this technology.

Money is being wasted on all sorts of things, one of the reasons our political systems are so messed up is the control that has been seized by sectors like fossil fuels. we don't have oversight now because it's been assumed by private interests that could care less about accountability...on the contrary, their "success" is predicated on their being no real accountability.

By creating a much more varied and sustainable sustainable energy model we'll return a lot of the local control we've lost. No one sector will have a monopoly on providing energy and we'll quite likely get true competition.

And do tell me what you use to heat your house with and drive your car with.

The tar sands are projected to use enough natural gas to heat all the home in Canada in the coming decades, we're using the least polluting form of fossil fuel to process the most polluting form, tell me how that makes sense.


Well I think the convenience of the auto over the horse was the reason... not horse s***.

In New York alone there were millions of horses to provide the necessary transportation, the massive amounts of manure they produced blocked streets and was a serious health hazard. Early automobiles were little improvement over horses, they didn't however leave the streets covered in crap.

But lets go with what you posted. Why do you feel it is the responsibility of industry to be mandated to fund unproven technology? Why should an oil company be forced to fund a solar company? That is ridiculous. Why should Canada be forced to pay South Africa (for example) industry subsidies?

Is the fossil fuel sector here to serve us or are we here to serve it?

Right now the tail is wagging the dog...hard, we shouldn't even be having this debate.

I don't feel like taking to the streets. I am not offended by people who don't want to tax me more and don't want to make my life difficult.

Based on the science not ideology I believe we're being seriously betrayed by certain interests that are ignoring their responsibility, if we're not being listened to by politicians who every year distance themselves farther from us then what are the alternatives. It's not the first choice, but if it's the only option left then people are going to take it. We should be having a rational discussion before things get to the point of panic decision making.

Many don't see a problem. You are talking to me as if I agree with you and think there is no hope.

I look at the science and have a hard time understanding that many people are going by their gut feelings, but you can't use intuition to figure out Quantum mechanics. It's almost certain that carbon dioxide plays a central role in mediating the Earth's radiative balance making complex life possible, the global average temperature would be about 30C colder than it is now if not for relatively tiny amount of CO2 in the air. What happens when we rapidly increase the most important persistant greenhouse gas to levels not seen in millions of years? We know there's been 5 major extinctions in the past and only one that's atributable to a massive impact from an asteroid or comet, which just happened to hit in a region with large deposits of limestone releasing huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. We should be very careful when it comes to altering the concentration of such gases in our atmosphere at such rates.

And you may not think there's no hope, but what's going to be your reaction when some of the most serious of predictions comes true, it will be too late to do anything about it. I don't know for sure what's going to happen, I do know that in the past CO2 has played a major role in climate change that has altered the face of the planet. I think this planet without people will be a very sad place.

To think we are going to go back and live in the past is silly. Windmill farms aren't going to power and heat NYC... and NYC isn't going anywhere in your lifetime or mine.

That's possible, but what if you're wrong?

what do we say to the kids when the water runs out, or the habitat change is so fast that few species are able to survive. what do we say if almost all the coral reefs and their millions of associated species are gone, we've already lost thousands as more than 16% of coral reefs are gone already. The real wealth in the world is in the biotic systems, which provide us with food, medicines, buildng materials, recreation, spiritual health and more. Take those away and what's left?