What would YOU want to hear at church?

petros

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David's son and grandsons didn't do so **** hot. How did God screw that up?

if you were a military commander trying to overtake a city that had
huge walls as an obstacle, simply marching around the city walls and blowing
your trumpets is about as unorthodox as it gets.
Archieoogly says : NO!
 

In Between Man

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Thought crime too, eh? Jesus was wrong, it just means you're human.

Just because every human has thoughts like this doesn't make it right. EAO posted a thread once that tried to explain why there's nothing wrong with having pedophiliac thoughts. That's a classic example of someone trying to exalt sinful thoughts above God's absolute moral standard. Every thought, every word, even everything we type on this forum is going to be exposed on Judgment day. "The books will be opened up."
 

MHz

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"by sending a message not to anyplace with a civilization that can read and write and has figured out something about how to think and spread a message, but to one of the most ignorant and least literate groups of people on the planet?"
Suppose for a second that salvation required two groups, one to live inside New Jerusalem and the other larger group was to live outside the city once the New Earth is operating, time difference 1,000 years
Do you write the prophecies (Bible really) in such a way that only 1/3 will understand or do you right it so less than that understand and add to that number just before the decision time? That would seem to be kinder that writing a book that everybody could understand and believe in, only to have 2/3 lose their faith just before the decision time? That would seem to be cruel, no other word for it.
According to the verse below does God even have to put it down so anybody understands it in anything but hindsight?

Isa:42:9:
Behold,
the former things are come to pass,
and new things do I declare:
before they spring forth I tell you of them.
 

In Between Man

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Which one is that? The Catholics, Presbyterians, Pentecostals, Baptists.... etc., etc.?

The only thing that is well documented about the bible is how it has changed from its origins to its present day format with all it additions, omissions and mistranslations. It has not been well preserved at all.

Yes it has been well preserved. The bible stands up amazingly well to textual criticism. The gap in time from the original NT to the first copies is remarkably early, and the sheer number of copies that were made compared to other manuscripts is outstanding! If you deny the reliability of the bible then you have to deny the reliability of the works of Homer, Aristotle, and Plato to name a few.



 

petros

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Yes it has been well preserved. The bible stands up amazingly well to textual criticism. The gap in time from the original NT to the first copies is remarkably early, and the sheer number of copies that were made compared to other manuscripts is outstanding! If you deny the reliability of the bible then you have to deny the reliability of the works of Homer, Aristotle, and Plato to name a few.
How many were carried as legend before the first word was even jotted down? Nobody can carry a story word-per-word let alone have the second teller repeat it verbatum.
The was no "gap' in the writing of the Aramaic and Greek copies of the NT. Everyone has a silly idea that because the Latin version came to being later that it all came together later. The Septuagint (Greek OT from Hebrew) and Greek NT as well as original Aramaic NT texts were from day one.
 

In Between Man

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Nope wrong again, all religion essentially deals with the same cosmic powers, the christ type figures in most of the distinct religions of this day and days past. You see they all deal with incarnation reincarnation the word the lord the virgin birth the reurrection you name it every bit of it came thousands of years before jesus. While you are reading the bible next time be sure to thank its Egyptian authors.

Nope, wrong again! If you're right why not make a cool thousand bucks?

Take the Zeitgeist challenge.

(Hint: It's an unbeatable challenge because the claim that the bible borrows from Pagan mythology is false.)
 

MHz

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Just because every human has thoughts like this doesn't make it right. EAO posted a thread once that tried to explain why there's nothing wrong with having pedophiliac thoughts. That's a classic example of someone trying to exalt sinful thoughts above God's absolute moral standard. Every thought, every word, even everything we type on this forum is going to be exposed on Judgment day. "The books will be opened up."
Here's the verses that go with that.

M't:5:28:
But I say unto you,
That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Jas:2:10:
For whosoever shall keep the whole law,
and yet offend in one point,
he is guilty of all.
Jas:2:11:
For he that said,
Do not commit adultery,
said also,
Do not kill.
Now if thou commit no adultery,
yet if thou kill,
thou art become a transgressor of the law.
 

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If you already committed adultery just by looking might as well go the whole way and have some fun before the lightening bolts strike.
 

In Between Man

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that by any logic I understand knowingly created you sick and demands you be well

That's not true either. Was Adam created with sin already in him? No. He was created sinless, perfect, and a free moral agent. Then Adam disobeyed and brought us all under the curse of sin. Your beef is against your relative Adam for making us all sick, not God.
 

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That's not true either. Was Adam created with sin already in him? No. He was created sinless, perfect, and a free moral agent. Then Adam disobeyed and brought us all under the curse of sin. Your beef is against your relative Adam for making us all sick, not God.

Not related to Adam although I would be interested in a relation with Eve.
 

In Between Man

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the lord lives in you, in the temple, christ does not and cannot live in a bloody brick building.

I agree with you that the body is a temple and that is where Christ resides, but an actual gathering place for believers whether a formal building, a park, or a Starbucks is still important. Fellowship with like-minded people has worth.
 

In Between Man

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The heart is a pump made of carnal flesh, god lives in the self conscious mind of man. Christs bride is matter, reread the wedding. I enjoy religious talk and I like religious people. At least they know there's something missing in their lives.

We're not talking about the physical heart here. The "heart" is your spirit and that's where Christ lives, not in your self conscious mind. This is why people often say "my head says yes, but my 'heart' or my 'gut' says no". When people say "heart" or "gut" they're referring to their spirit.
 

In Between Man

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Everyone has the right to their opinions. After all, isn't personal comfort in ones self not what Faith really is?

That's not the correct definition of faith at all. And if you insist on putting all your "faith" or trust in yourself so you feel personal comfort, then I'm afraid that's nothing but self-righteousness. Put your faith in God, after all he knows you better than you know yourself!
 

petros

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We're not talking about the physical heart here. The "heart" is your spirit and that's where Christ lives, not in your self conscious mind. This is why people often say "my head says yes, but my 'heart' or my 'gut' says no". When people say "heart" or "gut" they're referring to their spirit.
Mein Gott! The saying a "gut feeling" comes from German....Gott (God). Jeepers!