Then why do you cut paste articles that claim they did?
This is a typical leftard stunt. One person makes an outrageous and unsubstantiated claim and then another one quotes it. By the third person it is a"fact"
Titanic clash looms over proposed Northern Gateway pipeline
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Then why do you cut paste articles that claim they did?
This is a typical leftard stunt. One person makes an outrageous and unsubstantiated claim and then another one quotes it. By the third person it is a"fact"
So, rather than critique the contents of the article, this has become a critique of the NDP and "the left".
No partisanship there, lol
No partisanship there, lol
Not at all. When the article is full of outright lies the source is the problem. You are the one that posted it here rather than the fun & jokes forum where it belongs.
Well if it was clearly full of lies, it would be easy for you to quote those parts and prove they are lies.
Feds list First Nations, green groups and media as oilsands 'adversaries'
OTTAWA — Canada's Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade has labelled aboriginal groups and environmentalists as "adversaries," while describing the National Energy Board, an independent federal regulator of industry, as an "ally" in its public relations strategy to polish the image of Alberta's oilsands, a newly released internal document has revealed.
The document outlines key goals for the government's diplomats in promoting the industry, which is considered to be the fastest-growing source of global-warming-causing emissions in the country, and in lobbying against foreign climate change policies.
"While Europe is not an important market for oil sands-derived products, Europe legislation/regulation, such as the EU Fuel Quality Directive, has the potential to impact the industry globally," said the document, sent in an April 11 email by a Canadian diplomat in Europe.
The document was released to Climate Action Network Canada through access-to-information legislation.
The list of allies also includes energy companies, industry associations, and Canadian government departments, such as Natural Resources Canada, the Aboriginal and Northern Affairs Department, Environment Canada and the Privy Council Office.
It includes the "media" as one of its local adversaries, along with competing industry groups, the aboriginals and environmentalists.
The National Energy Board, which was listed as an ally in the document, is supposed to be an independent regulator that evaluates and monitors industry activity.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government made changes in recent years, giving it more control over some major environmental assessments than the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency.
"Canadians should be concerned when a supposedly arms-length agency that is supposed to regulate the oil industry, including conducting hearings on Enbridge's proposed new tar sands pipeline across British Columbia, is listed as an 'ally' in a political strategy to lower environmental standards in other nations," said Keith Stewart, co-ordinator of Greenpeace Canada's climate and energy campaign, in a statement.
This is not a high school creative writing class. And you even admitted that you posted an article with a lie in it.
I can't vouch for everything that is written in every article I post (we're only human), but what was the lie?
Your logic is as partisan as anybody's. You are a one track mind - money, money, money... "and the future of generations to come be damned, I want the money now!" You remind me of the people in Quesnel who used to call the stench of the pulp mills "the smell of money."
I think that saying got started with H.R. MacMillan back in the 40s when he and J.V. Kline took a trip to Powell River to buy the Pulp mill there from Bloedel, Stewart and Welsh, old J.V. remarked he didn't like that smell and H.R. replied "smells like money to me".
Time limits coming for regulatory review hearings: Joe Oliver
CALGARY — Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver vowed Wednesday the federal government will mandate strict timelines on regulatory reviews of industrial projects in Canada as part of legislation that will be introduced this year — a move that immediately drew criticism from environmental groups.
Warning that lengthily reviews cause investment dollars to leave Canada, Oliver told a Calgary business crowd he wants to eliminate overlap in environmental assessment of economy-boosting mining and energy projects by Ottawa and the provinces and territories.
“The fundamental reorganization we need to make requires system-wide legislative changes and lots of it,” Oliver said, noting the provinces and territories are broadly on board with the idea to co-operate on regulatory approvals since discussions at a meeting of mines and energy ministers in Kananaskis, Alta. last July.
“The ultimate goal is simple — one project, one review in a clearly defined time period,” he said, making his remarks at an event hosted by the Calgary Chamber of Commerce.
Oliver told reporters the changes will still allow “legitimate” intervention by Canadians concerned about the environmental impact of projects, including aboriginal groups, but that strict timelines need to be enforced.
“The Mackenzie Valley gas pipeline process took nine years to be approved, Joslyn North (oilsands mine) took six years. This is excessive.”
Oliver repeated his criticism of “abuse” by some “radical” environmental groups opposed to development of oil projects on ideological grounds, accusing them of “gaming” the review process and referring to the ongoing hearings regarding Enbridge Inc.’s proposed Northern Gateway oil pipeline.
He said the government has no plans to intervene in the review of Northern Gateway, a 1,200-kilometre line which would transport 525,000 barrels of crude per day from Alberta’s oilsands to port in British Columbia for shipment by tanker to Asia.
Hearings by a federal joint review panel scheduled to make a recommendation on the project late next year have attracted more than 4,000 speakers, the majority of them opposed to the project. Environmental groups have taken credit for organizing them.
Lawyer Josh Paterson of Vancouver-based West Coast Environmental Law, one of the groups concerned about the threat of pipeline leaks and oil tanker spills in coastal waters from Northern Gateway, criticized Oliver’s focus on quick reviews. Paterson said “massive” industrial projects take a long time to study.
“We think that there are many improvements that need to be made to the federal regulatory system to enhance environmental protection,” Paterson said. “Worrying that they take too long is near the bottom of our list. We need to make sure that these decisions are made right.”
Industry groups have called for a more streamlined and efficient regulatory review of projects.
http://business.financialpost.com/2...ry-review-hearings-joe-oliver/?__lsa=5c3b5e27
CALGARY — Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver vowed Wednesday the federal government will mandate strict timelines on regulatory reviews of industrial projects in Canada as part of legislation that will be introduced this year — a move that immediately drew criticism from environmental groups.
Warning that lengthily reviews cause investment dollars to leave Canada, Oliver told a Calgary business crowd he wants to eliminate overlap in environmental assessment of economy-boosting mining and energy projects by Ottawa and the provinces and territories.
“The fundamental reorganization we need to make requires system-wide legislative changes and lots of it,” Oliver said, noting the provinces and territories are broadly on board with the idea to co-operate on regulatory approvals since discussions at a meeting of mines and energy ministers in Kananaskis, Alta. last July.
“The ultimate goal is simple — one project, one review in a clearly defined time period,” he said, making his remarks at an event hosted by the Calgary Chamber of Commerce.
Oliver told reporters the changes will still allow “legitimate” intervention by Canadians concerned about the environmental impact of projects, including aboriginal groups, but that strict timelines need to be enforced.
“The Mackenzie Valley gas pipeline process took nine years to be approved, Joslyn North (oilsands mine) took six years. This is excessive.”
Oliver repeated his criticism of “abuse” by some “radical” environmental groups opposed to development of oil projects on ideological grounds, accusing them of “gaming” the review process and referring to the ongoing hearings regarding Enbridge Inc.’s proposed Northern Gateway oil pipeline.
He said the government has no plans to intervene in the review of Northern Gateway, a 1,200-kilometre line which would transport 525,000 barrels of crude per day from Alberta’s oilsands to port in British Columbia for shipment by tanker to Asia.
Hearings by a federal joint review panel scheduled to make a recommendation on the project late next year have attracted more than 4,000 speakers, the majority of them opposed to the project. Environmental groups have taken credit for organizing them.
Lawyer Josh Paterson of Vancouver-based West Coast Environmental Law, one of the groups concerned about the threat of pipeline leaks and oil tanker spills in coastal waters from Northern Gateway, criticized Oliver’s focus on quick reviews. Paterson said “massive” industrial projects take a long time to study.
“We think that there are many improvements that need to be made to the federal regulatory system to enhance environmental protection,” Paterson said. “Worrying that they take too long is near the bottom of our list. We need to make sure that these decisions are made right.”
Industry groups have called for a more streamlined and efficient regulatory review of projects.
http://business.financialpost.com/2...ry-review-hearings-joe-oliver/?__lsa=5c3b5e27
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Please spare me from this massive pile of BS and rhetoric.
I get a kick out of you folks that decry any form of progress while simultaneously claiming that you are stewards of Gaia, but only after you have done your requisite amount of raping and pillaging of the environment at large.
You don't have a problem with burning gas in your car, or heating your home (possibly) with hydrocarbons - hell, not a peep out of you in terms of the thousands of gallons of diesel burned by farm equipment to harvest the food you buy at the grocer.
Nope, it's you first, and then - and only then - do you deride the progress that is proposed that will offer others' the same level of access and comfort that you assume is a birthright.
How generous of you.
I think the general trend of Cliff's messases are bang on, although some of his details may be a little sketchy. I think the message he's trying to convey is the human animal as trend is getting too greedy and materialistic and is mainly interested in impressing the Joneses. Even those of us who agree with him get caught up in a lot of the bullsh*t that goes on these days. But I guess that has something to do with old adage- "if you can't lick 'em, join 'em". :smile:
The assurances should be paid by whomever is petitioning for the license. Why should someone who already has an existing job pay to make sure a proposed pipeline which could harm future employment is mitigating the risk to a satisfactory level? That's retarded.
They are..
You want something above and beyond, it'll cost ya.
Not the way I see it JLM.
Cliffy has no problem with living large in an economy that relies on oil/gas in one form or another. Apparently that isn't a problem just as long as his personal needs are met, but watch the sparks fly when there is talk of extending benefits to others and all of the sudden every excuse in the book is flogged as to why it isn't practical.
Me, living large? What a joke. You have no idea how I live or the limitations I live with. I begrudge no one benefits if they need them, unlike you.
You live and rely on an economy that is founded on oil/gas, end of story... At this point, how much you personally consume is secondary.
... And now, through your infinite wisdom and omnipotence, you are the one to decide for everyone where the line gets drawn on resource consumption - but only after your needs are met.
How gracious of you
... And now, through your infinite wisdom and omnipotence, you are the one to decide for everyone where the line gets drawn on resource consumption - but only after your needs are met.
How gracious of you
No, I am not saying what should and should not be done. It would be a waste of time and I leave such matters to the likes of you. All I am calling for is a little sanity and consideration for future generations, something that seems to be beyond your comprehension.
The "won't someone please think of the children" argument falls pretty flat considering that there are 7 billion people walking the Earth and procreating.
Let me ask you - what's your plan to feed, clothe and house those kids CliffY?.. Good intentions and explaining to them how they're not really hungry or starving - it's all just metaphysics?
That's some version of sanity that you got there. Mind you, it sounds suspiciously like greed and selfishness to me, but as long as you are personally OK and comfortable, then anything else is just plain crazy, right?
Let me ask you - what's your plan to feed, clothe and house those kids CliffY?.. Good intentions and explaining to them how they're not really hungry or starving - it's all just metaphysics?
That's some version of sanity that you got there. Mind you, it sounds suspiciously like greed and selfishness to me, but as long as you are personally OK and comfortable, then anything else is just plain crazy, right?
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You have quite the imagination and you do like to put words in other people's mouths. Right now there would be more than enough to go around if the west didn't consume 90% of the resources to feed the unquenchable greed and avarice of 20 - 30% of the population. I certainly don't have any answers but I do know that raping the planet to satisfy the few is insanity on the highest scale.
As long as there are those who think it is their right to live far beyond need or rationality, we are going to be going the way of the dodo so a few ultra rich can get richer. But by all all means, lead the charge.