Titanic clash looms over proposed Northern Gateway pipeline

skookumchuck

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Where I'm at right now it's crazy,the oil is pumped into tanks and hauled by truck to the refineries untill it can be tied into a pipeline,this sometimes only takes a week,there is no way we could even build enough refineries or staff them to clean all our oil.
Theres batteries and refineries all over the place as it is now.

Why could we not? At least a reasonable portion sufficient to keep lower fuel costs stimulating our own industry and helping Joe average. Bottom line is value added for this country. The excess profits created by sending raw product overseas is a long term poison pill for us. Just ask the forest industry.
 

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Why could we not? At least a reasonable portion sufficient to keep lower fuel costs stimulating our own industry and helping Joe average. Bottom line is value added for this country. The excess profits created by sending raw product overseas is a long term poison pill for us. Just ask the forest industry.
You can't pipe finished product without heavy dilution making it ineffcient.
 

skookumchuck

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You can't pipe finished product without heavy dilution making it ineffcient.

Doesn't matter IMO. Just refine enough of our own and truck it or rail to consumers, that is what we do now, just not enough. I can't help but imagine the boost to our AG and manufacturing sector with that advantage. I don't much care what Sun or Exxon thinks about it.
 

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Doesn't matter IMO. Just refine enough of our own and truck it or rail to consumers, that is what we do now, just not enough. I can't help but imagine the boost to our AG and manufacturing sector with that advantage. I don't much care what Sun or Exxon thinks about it.
We already have enough. That's why we export.
 

skookumchuck

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Then what? Dilute finished products by 50% and pipe them as well as using a second pipeline to return the slickum?

I don't mean to pipline finished products, i know that does not work, i was off base about a refinery in Hardisty although there is room and perhaps fewer nymby types. I mean build refineries for domestic, ship some of the crude east and west.
The industry tries to float the idea that it is in our interest to refine elsewhere but the bottom line is where the most profit is, not the country's best interest.
Vancouver airport was at risk of running out of fuel when the Washington state refinery went down last month. We have only two refineries in BC, Prince George 12,000 bbl/d (Husky) and Burnaby 52,000 bbl/d (Chevron). Burnaby is on shaky ground in more ways than one. The infrastructure in Canada is being allowed to go to hell for purely excess profit reasons. Irving Oil seems the only one prepared to serve regional/national interest.
 

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Last september they were rationing our diesel in Alberta,you were allowed 300 liters a day from any one station.I guess they only refine enough to get by so if one plant go's down we have shortages.
September is harvest. Combine pilots get first dibs.
 

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Northern Gateway Pipeline: Enbridge deceives on economic benefits

VANCOUVER�(PolicyAlternatives.ca) -- A new study reviews the economic case for the Enbridge Northern Gateway Pipeline (NGP) and casts serious doubt on claims that the pipeline will lead to substantial job creation and other economic benefits.

Enbridge claims that the NGP will create 63,000 person years of employment during the construction of the pipeline, and 1,146 full-time jobs once it’s completed.

The study finds that Enbridge’s job creation estimates are based on flawed modeling and questionable assumptions. Estimates assume that workers would otherwise be unemployed, and a large share of the estimated jobs come from induced employment, i.e. the economic impact of expenditures by Enbridge workers and governments. These “induced” impacts are particularly difficult to estimate and notoriously easy to overstate.

“It makes more sense to focus on direct employment,” says Lee. “According to Enbridge’s own estimates, the pipeline will only create about 1,850 construction jobs per year for three years. Even adding in upstream employment from pipe manufacture – if that were to occur in Canada – gives us no more than 3,000 jobs per year for three years.”

While the NGP would certainly create massive profits for Enbridge shareholders, workers will see only a small share of these. A comparative public investment in green jobs and industry, which could be funded through a relatively modest carbon tax, would produce at least three times as many jobs, without risking Canada’s energy security or entrenching our role as an exporter of raw commodities. And, of course, it would diversify our economy away from fossil fuels.

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