Judge William Adams beats daughter for using the internet

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I wasn't aware that it showed that her father paid for her education. Do you have a link to that?

I guess I made an assumption based upon a previous post in this thread. If she did it herself, that would definatly change my opinion. Is there a link that says who paid her education one way or another?

Even so... let's say he did pay for her education, look at that whipping she took. I would have vengeance on my mind too and would want to get every red cent from him. That was not her first beating and she set up the camera to catch just that.

I simply have no sympathy for this man. I don't. He's an egotistical, abusive azzhole. I cannot even conceive of beating my kids like that. I cannot conceive of even swearing like that to them. Did you catch his comment near the end of the video?

"You don't deserve to be in this house."

Seriously?

I never got that far in the video. And yes, I do not condone the beating and have said so back on page 1 before the thread derailed. And I guess given that I can't fault her for milking him for all he was worth before reporting. But I don't respect her action as much as I would had she done it at 18 or 19 (assuming he did pay for her education).

Its a minor point anyways. Bottom line is regardless of her motivations, he made his bed when he beat her regardless of timing. I did not intend to imply in any way I support his actions regardless of her motivations. Just want to make this clear.

 

[Locutus]

Yes, she waited til she didn't need Daddy's gravy train anymore.

She waited until she was away from him. A child that is beaten is afraid! And now grown up and pissed off!

Not to mention there was no YouTube back in 2004. ;-)

 

[EagleSmack]

I never got that far in the video. And yes, I do not condone the beating and have said so back on page 1 before the thread derailed. And I guess given that I can't fault her for milking him for all he was worth before reporting. But I don't respect her action as much as I would had she done it at 18 or 19 (assuming he did pay for her education).

Its a minor point anyways. Bottom line is regardless of her motivations, he made his bed when he beat her regardless of timing. I did not intend to imply in any way I support his actions regardless of her motivations. Just want to make this clear.

I knew you weren't condoning his actions Ski. I am just saying "tough s**t" for him regardless of her motives and timing.

To me, if it is true that she waited until she was secure in life, and then dropped it on him I think it makes it more awesome. From what she is saying is that that was not her first or last whipping and that his verbal and emotional abuse continued on into her adult life. The reason why she posted it now is because she said he was harrassing her on the phone.

But I didn't think you were saying this guy didn't deserve it.

 

[SLM]

I wasn't referring to just this thread in particular but a general statement about gang banging. Some people just go onto any thread posted by certain people and just harass them continually, calling them idiots and such and attacking every word. I believe that it is against forum rules but it happens every day so I'm wondering why the mods tolerate it.

Ok, fair enough. And sure, there are times when things get heated and probably out of control, I won't deny that, but when one is making blanket statements on an open forum, you're going to have to expect some criticism. Extreme statements will elicite extreme reactions. Careless statements will as well. From my point of view, there is plenty of give and take on that one.

She downloaded content that was not paid for.
Being that the girl grew up in a different time then her father its perfectly acceptable to her
But not to her father.

Does that, essential copyright infringement if I interpret you correctly, justify what he did to her?

I'm not trolling or baiting here, I'm asking.

Yes, she waited til she didn't need Daddy's gravy train anymore.

All due respect, because I know you don't condone his actions, but in my opinion it's a parent's responsibility to prepare their child for life. To me that doesn't arbitrarily end at the magical age of 18. jmo.

And even if she did purposely wait until she was financially independent, in other words she used him, I'd say good for her. What is evident to me from that video is that was not something new to either one of them. Beatings like that don't happen just once, and he didn't even flinch. So I'd say he owed her that education, if indeed he did pay for it.

 

[karrie]

What amazes me the most about this story is the fact that people are so incredibly surprised that a high powered, alpha personality, turned out to be an abusive control freak. What is so surprising about that?

 

[VanIsle]

yep, abuse victims tend to wait until they are free from the control of the abuser to report it. It's too risky to report abuse when police have to try to get you out of the house. A man who comes undone like that over the computer would likely beat a child to death inside of 5 minutes once he found out she'd leveled charges against him.

For the most part I don't agree. Simply because men like him are much too concerned for their own welfare. He would have beaten her again given the first chance but he would have done it in a way that no one would see the bruises and probably kept her hidden away until the bruising (the outside markings) went away.
I think that gives North Amercans every reason to have a special screening process - something that would see how they react under extreme pressure. How could a man like this ever be fair and impartial? Did he give that impression in the court room only to take out his cowardly frustrations on his child? BTW - my disagreement statement does not apply to where you state that abuse victims tend to wait. Of course they do and it's really the only smart thing to do. In her case, she didn't even have her mother to rely on.
I worked with a girl whose husband was starting to rough her up. Can you believe that her own Mother didn't believe her. Why - her own Mother married her husband's birth father. So her birth mother was also her mother-in-law in a sense and her Mother was her husband's Mother-in-law and step Mother! She had no one to turn to for help.

 

[Nuggler]

What amazes me the most about this story is the fact that people are so incredibly surprised that a high powered, alpha personality, turned out to be an abusive control freak. What is so surprising about that?

Not surprising at all, Karrie. High powered, alpha personalities are often control freaks. The abuse is probably the result of his being thwarted in life at some point in time, or his frustration on his job, and it's easy to whip the sh it out of a kid.

Hopefully he won't have to worry about his job too much longer, but just maybe might have to worry about a cellmate.


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However long she waited to spring the trap, or why she waited, etc. is moot as far as I'm concerned . She got the bastard, and that's important.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Whether her father paid for her education or not is inconsequential. Think about it this way. If he had sexually abused her would there be a single person in this thread defending the action. What both parents did here was abuse this girl physically and mentally. Whatever bone they might have thrown her (education) does not diminish the fact that they abused her.

Using a strap on a child is unacceptable. He did not simply paddle her butt or even use the strap on her butt (which is still unacceptable) --instead he whipped her legs, her arms as she tried defend against his attack. This guy is a disgusting piece of crap who doesn't measure up as a parent.

He should be tossed in jail.

 

[karrie]

Whether her father paid for her education or not is inconsequential. Think about it this way. If he had sexually abused her would there be a single person in this thread defending the action. What both parents did here was abuse this girl physically and mentally. Whatever bone they might have thrown her (education) does not diminish the fact that they abused her.

Using a strap on a child is unacceptable. He did not simply paddle her butt or even use the strap on her butt (which is still unacceptable) --instead he whipped her legs, her arms as she tried defend against his attack. This guy is a disgusting piece of crap who doesn't measure up as a parent.

He should be tossed in jail.

I got the strap once as a child, from my dad. Honestly, I think there are parents out there who can do more damage delivering a beating with a hand than someone delivering reasoned corporal punishment, can do with a strap. What the mom did for example, if it was an incident in and of itself, 7 years ago before many places had legislation against a belt, I don't think it would have gotten my dander up too badly. It's the uncontrolled, hysterical, foaming at the mouth screaming that puts the child so in fear of their safety that they can't even comply with an order to turn around, that makes the beating so horrific, whether he'd used a belt or an open hand makes no difference imo.

 

[Angstrom]

Does that, essential copyright infringement if I interpret you correctly, justify what he did to her?
I'm not trolling or baiting here, I'm asking..

I think that could be something he would use in his defense. His view on copyright, may be that its the same as shoplifting. Will have to wait and see to know.

I personally don't think it justifies his action at all, I think Copyright laws need to be changed to make it more open and in line with today's internet world. Content should be public domain after so many years. It becomes part of the culture.

This link explains perfectly the way I feel about it.

http://www.ted.com/talks/larry_lessi...reativity.html

 

[JLM]

I got the strap once as a child, from my dad. Honestly, I think there are parents out there who can do more damage delivering a beating with a hand than someone delivering reasoned corporal punishment, can do with a strap. What the mom did for example, if it was an incident in and of itself, 7 years ago before many places had legislation against a belt, I don't think it would have gotten my dander up too badly. It's the uncontrolled, hysterical, foaming at the mouth screaming that puts the child so in fear of their safety that they can't even comply with an order to turn around, that makes the beating so horrific, whether he'd used a belt or an open hand makes no difference imo.

Yep, corporal punishment should only be done as a last resort, too much of it and the kid just gets immune to it. If he/she does something really heinous and gets a good thrashing in an isolated instance he/she will remember it and what it was for. IF a kid gets smacked every time the parent gets frustrated, he/she won't remember the reason for any one of the smackings.

 

[karrie]

Just a note about this judge ever seeing jail time.... the statute of limitations for pressing child abuse charges has already passed, he will not see court let alone prison. He will never have to defend himself over this video in anything but the court of popular opinion.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I got the strap once as a child, from my dad. Honestly, I think there are parents out there who can do more damage delivering a beating with a hand than someone delivering reasoned corporal punishment, can do with a strap. What the mom did for example, if it was an incident in and of itself, 7 years ago before many places had legislation against a belt, I don't think it would have gotten my dander up too badly. It's the uncontrolled, hysterical, foaming at the mouth screaming that puts the child so in fear of their safety that they can't even comply with an order to turn around, that makes the beating so horrific, whether he'd used a belt or an open hand makes no difference imo.

Well the terrorizing that goes along with it certainly is added abuse. There was a time when it was considered acceptable to strike children with a belt. My Father used to crack the belt before using it which was worse than the actual blows. I understand his father used to hit him with a shovel handle or a 2X4. I have used corporal punishment on my children, but nothing beyond a spanking where I could feel that which I was administering and only in times when words seemed to have no affect.

As Angstrom pointed out, you feel pretty sh!tty afterwards.

I know what its like to deal with what that girl dealt with. My Father died a lonely bitter man, as did his father, because neither would accept what they had done was wrong.

Good riddance.

 

[Kreskin]

Just a note about this judge ever seeing jail time.... the statute of limitations for pressing child abuse charges has already passed, he will not see court let alone prison. He will never have to defend himself over this video in anything but the court of popular opinion.

There is probably an argument that a statute of limitations has no effect. A minor is considered to have no capacity to make decisions, especially that of calling the cops on parents. If a 1 year old is beaten then they lose the ability to take recourse by age 8? Doesn't make any sense.

 

[SLM]

I think that could be something he would use in his defense. His view on copyright, may be that its the same as shoplifting. Will have to wait and see to know.

It might be an excuse, but not a defense.

In my opinion, his views on the legality of her actions had little if anything to do with it. She defied him, it's about control. As abuse always is.

I personally don't think it justifies his action at all, I think Copyright laws need to be changed to make it more open and in line with today's internet world. Content should be public domain after so many years. It becomes part of the culture.

It is, 50 yrs after the death of the creator of the material, if I'm not mistaken. Most classic literature is available free online, for example.

 

[karrie]

There is probably an argument that a statute of limitations has no effect. A minor is considered to have no capacity to make decisions, especially that of calling the cops on parents. If a 1 year old is beaten then they lose the ability to take recourse by age 8? Doesn't make any sense.

I think it's a ridiculous statute of limitations too but that's what the Today show said this morning.

 

[Kreskin]

I think it's a ridiculous statute of limitations too but that's what the Today show said this morning.

I'm sure there is but I don't think it would stand up to a constitutional challenge.

 

[VanIsle]

November 2, 2011 7:55 PM

William Adams, the Texas judge who is accused of beating his daughter with a belt for several minutes because she downloaded video games off the Internet, is now under investigation by police, according to a statement released by the county he serves.
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According to the press release by Aransas County Judge Burt Mills, the county is "aware of the video posted on YouTube ... and the matter is now under review by the Police Department."


Although the beating in the video may appear extreme to some, the state of Texas allows parents to use corporal punishment on their children, as long as it is "reasonable," according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, which says that use of a belt is also legal, depending on the severity.


Also, the video was made in 2004, which could mean that even if a crime was committed, the statute of limitations could have expired. According to the Texas criminal code, there are different statutes of limitations for child abuse, ranging from 3 to 10 years.


Hillary Adams told KZTV-10, a television station in Corpus Christi, Texas, that she wanted to bring attention to the physical abuse she had suffered as a child.


"It had happened before, and had been escalating," Adams said.


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[Goober]

I'm sure there is but I don't think it would stand up to a constitutional challenge.

More than one way to skin a bad cat.

Texas Judicial Panel Probes Beating Video - TIME



PORTLAND, Texas) — After being flooded with calls, faxes and emails calling for action, a Texas judicial panel is investigating an internet video that shows a judge beating his teenage daughter with a belt.

The State Commission on Judicial Conduct says in a statement released Thursday that it has "commenced an investigation into the incident."

The statement does not name Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams, but it does reference "a YouTube video purporting to depict a Texas judge engaging in the act of striking his teenage daughter with a belt."

The 13-member panel comprises judges, lawyers and regular citizens. After a formal proceeding and hearing, it has the authority to censure a judge or recommend to the Texas Supreme Court that the judge be suspended or removed

 

[karrie]

I'm sure there is but I don't think it would stand up to a constitutional challenge.

I wouldn't count on that, what with it being Texas and all. Constitution doesn't seem as critical as popular opinion down there.