9-11-ten yrs Later

[captain morgan]

re: an eye for an eye.

You can only 'turn the other cheek' so many times.

........well, that explains a lot. No wonder progress with civility is almost non existent. What are you complaining about?? Your philosophy is being enacted via more wars all the time. Does that make you feel happy and more secure ?? Are you less concerned about terror activity as a result of all the death and destruction ??

Civility?.. Did you really mean to use that word in the context of this discussion/issue?

It comes down to this OB, the collective Western nations take actions with an eye towards the political fallout. If the potential price is too high, the actions are no longer contemplated. The terrorist efforts, on the other hand, rely upon a 'scorched earth' strategy wherein they believe that if they spill enough blood (especially on a basis of collateral damage targeting innocents) that the Western powers will run away, cheeping like mice.

That discord in relative strategies/logic is what will lead to more and more clinical strikes by Western nations. At some point, this fight will get down in the mud and then you'll really see the eye for an eye mentality.

Or is it just possible ......that the over reactive war response has rendered more rage and hatred against the west ???

That's the nice thingy about the jihadist directive... It doesn't require an action from the West to provoke these lunatics. Lifestyles, incompatible belief systems or the notion that their eyes were sullied by a TV program that portrayed women in a non-sharia manner can set these fools off on a killing spree.

We're infidels OB, lower than farm animals and sanctioned, by Allan hisself, to be lied to, murdered and cheated - it's an obligation.

If you could......... put your self in their place and try to see the west through their eyes. What is it that they are fighting for ...in their own way ???

What are they fighting for OB?.. Hell, many of the 'invasions' that are being employed in this discussion began with one of teh 'offended' nations crying out to the UN for help?

I am just saying that the west is not guilt free in creating this dynamic.

You are correct, but the disturbing element that you represent assesses no blame on the part of these terrorists at all.... Doesn't that wanton waste of life at the hands of these terrorist groups (against their own peoples as well) disturb you in the least?

 

[CDNBear]

Breezy:
Yer starting to sound like a....

Starting to?

 

[Goober]

re: an eye for an eye.

........well, that explains a lot. No wonder progress with civility is almost non existent. What are you complaining about?? Your philosophy is being enacted via more wars all the time. Does that make you feel happy and more secure ?? Are you less concerned about terror activity as a result of all the death and destruction ??

Or is it just possible ......that the over reactive war response has rendered more rage and hatred against the west ???

If you could......... put your self in their place and try to see the west through their eyes. What is it that they are fighting for ...in their own way ???

I am just saying that the west is not guilt free in creating this dynamic.



fair enough. that is your choice.

Yes, their culture is very different from ours. It has had a much longer time in history to become entrenched into their being and essence.

As time goes on, and more of their culture are educated and exposed to the larger world....things will gradually change. But when it comes to religous beliefs.....(any religious belief) fanatics are just part of the dynamic.

For eg: Why do Xtians bomb abortion clinics?? Are they not as fanatical and insane in their own way??? Terrorism is not the sole property of the Islamic culture. It surrounds us daily and no amount of genital probing is going to change that. The core issue is that some minds are just more susceptable to being programmed into extremist ideologies. Religion of any sort is a form of brainwashing and when that is channeled into a cause......well, you get the picture.

How many Muslims do you consider ggod friends that you can share personal parts of your life with

 

[JLM]

You can only 'turn the other cheek' so many times.

Many more times than you can sacrifice an eye or a tooth. :smile:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Many more times than you can sacrifice an eye or a tooth. :smile:

Well said. :smile:

and if we are going the metaphor route: an eye for an eye leaves both parties blind .(which would gravely impair their battle judgement / vision)

 

[captain morgan]

Many more times than you can sacrifice an eye or a tooth.

The message here is that if you f*ck with the bull - you pay a big cost.

Clear enough for ya?:icon_smile::icon_smile:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

The message here is that if you f*ck with the bull - you pay a big cost.

Clear enough for ya?:icon_smile::icon_smile:

Too bad that the "bull": can be such an inhumane , war loving , greedy SOB. and believes in his own omnipotence.

Terrorists Fight Terrorism...

By Paul Balles

"You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you." - Eric Hoffer

November 01, 2011 "Information Clearing House" -- Former American President Jimmy Carter commented on the kind of state terrorism reflected in American actions in Guantanamo Bay and other places as a disgrace to the US.

"I wouldn't say it's the cause of terrorism, but it has given impetus and excuses to potential terrorists to lash out at our country and justify their despicable acts," he said.

"Terrorism" and "terrorists" are the key labels of warmongers working to instill fear into the public to justify military slaughtering.

Just about anyone who refuses to comply can be targeted.

The amazing part of this charade is that the labels are used to justify outright murders.

But when a young Palestinian blows himself up as a reaction to his family's deaths by phosphorous bombs he's a "terrorist".

American bombers are defenders of their country's security, but not terrorists.

** Terrorists Fight Terrorism... :* Information Clearing House


as usual J.Carter is right in his perspective.

Too bad that "terrorism" is defined so loosely that to one nation it is one thing...and to another it is another. But either way.........it offers up an excuse for perpetual wars that have nothing or very little to do with terrorism itself.

 

[EagleSmack]

Too bad that the "bull": can be such an inhumane , war loving , greedy SOB. and believes in his own omnipotence.

Thats us Breezy!

Yeah baby yeah!

 

[lone wolf]

Ping a snowball.... I hear you got lots of ammo.

 

[EagleSmack]

Ping a snowball.... I hear you got lots of ammo.

We do. Just tells us where you want it young Captain...

We'll set it right down like a baby for ya.

 

[#juan]

Would you guys all get a grip. How many civilians did American bombs kill in Viet Nam, or Cambodia, or Laos??

The answer is something around four million. 9/11 was a drop in a bucket by comparison.

 

[CDNBear]

Would you guys all get a grip. How many civilians did American bombs kill in Viet Nam, or Cambodia, or Laos??

The answer is something around four million. 9/11 was a drop in a bucket by comparison.

Moral relativism is always the answer...:roll:

 

[darkbeaver]

A professional modern high tech programe of terrorism requires a lot of bankers.

 

[CDNBear]

A professional modern high tech programe of terrorism requires a lot of bankers.

Thankfully not your bankers though.

We wouldn't want them to be distracted from administering the trust fund your dear old capitalist dad made for you to live comfortably off of.

 

[lone wolf]

A professional modern high tech programe of terrorism requires a lot of bankers.

...or one good hacker

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Terrorism Is a Crime

Terrorism Is a Crime by Sheldon Richman


No matter how much the busheviks and his followers wanted it to be an "act of war" so they could use it as an excuse to invade , occupy and otherwise dominate other nations that sat on a wealth of natural resources. (given that the US is the biggest resource hog on the planet )

 

[lone wolf]

Obsession isn't a crime - but it sure is annoying

 

[Ocean Breeze]

"If the United States were not ashamed of its conduct, it wouldn't hide behind a gag order," said Wizner.)[1]

Like so many other "terrorists" held by the United States in recent years, Hicks had been "sold" to the American military for a bounty offered by the US, a phenomenon repeated frequently in Afghanistan and Pakistan. US officials had to know that once they offered payments to a very poor area to turn in bodies that almost anyone was fair game.

Other "terrorists" have been turned in as reprisals for all sorts of personal hatreds and feuds.

Many others -- abroad and in the United States -- have been incarcerated by the United States simply for working for, or merely contributing money to, charitable organizations with alleged or real ties to a "terrorist organization", as determined by a list kept by the State Department, a list conspicuously political.

It was recently disclosed that an Iraqi resident of Britain is being released from Guantánamo after four years. His crime? He refused to work as an informer for the CIA and MI5, the British security service. His business partner is still being held in Guantánamo, for the same crime.[2]

War Is Terrorism


How is terrorism fighting terrorism going to accomplish anything ..........except diss more people off , and create more "terrorists" while fullfilling a nations own political agenda??? What about the "casualites" that result from this ???

 

[JLM]

Too bad that the "bull": can be such an inhumane , war loving , greedy SOB. and believes in his own omnipotence.

Those Muslim chaps do have that propensity all right!

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Hunting Witches in the ‘War on Terror’

Hunting Witches in the ‘War on Terror’ | Consortiumnews


Lots of truths in the above article.

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Those Muslim chaps do have that propensity all right!

Not talking about a "Muslim" characteristic. Talking about a human one. No one negates the fact that the Muslim group are a rather backward , group with beliefs that belong in the dark ages. But that does not say , that others don't have the same characteristics.