Did Don Cherry go too far this time?????
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If your a retired soldier then Im sure you can relate to mental illness as lots coming back from Afghanistan are now suffering with it,it's not something to make light of and it's killing a lot of young people through suicide.I move that this thread be merged with Dumps thread.
It's a disease,let's treat it as such.
I move that this thread be merged with Dumps thread.
Why should it be moved?
Kakato. I did not make light of suicide or post traumatic disorder. I was referring to the fact that we have two threads on Don Cherry and whether or not people should think he should be fired from the CBC.
And not all the hockey suicides can be attributed to fighting. Some people have depression, it doesn't matter what their profession is. Michael Landsberg wrote an excellent article about it(at tsn.ca) where he was talking about how crippling it can be, and how someone may have depression and you may not even know it. His article was about how he suffers from depression and how his friend Wade Belak also suffered from it(and ultimately lost his battle to it
). I'm not sure if the article is still there(their archives only go so far back), but if you can find it, I recommend reading it.I like fighting in hockey, I'll make no bones(nor excuses) about it. However, I think fighting has it's time and place. Just dropping the gloves to "fire up your team" or the fights that are obviously staged/planned have no place in hockey. I think that fighting should be in response to someone on the opposing team taking liberties with your teammates. By liberties I mean dirty hits that the refs don't catch. Slew-foots, elbows to the head, etc. There are some players that just don't show any respect at all, and when Campbell was in charge of disciplinary actions, he was way too light with the punishment. I think that Shannahan will perform in a better capacity and perhaps the dirty hits/lack of respect will finally start to wane.
And not all the hockey suicides can be attributed to fighting. Some people have depression, it doesn't matter what their profession is. Michael Landsberg wrote an excellent article about it(at tsn.ca) where he was talking about how crippling it can be, and how someone may have depression and you may not even know it. His article was about how he suffers from depression and how his friend Wade Belak also suffered from it(and ultimately lost his battle to it
I like fighting in hockey, I'll make no bones(nor excuses) about it. However, I think fighting has it's time and place. Just dropping the gloves to "fire up your team" or the fights that are obviously staged/planned have no place in hockey. I think that fighting should be in response to someone on the opposing team taking liberties with your teammates. By liberties I mean dirty hits that the refs don't catch. Slew-foots, elbows to the head, etc. There are some players that just don't show any respect at all, and when Campbell was in charge of disciplinary actions, he was way too light with the punishment. I think that Shannahan will perform in a better capacity and perhaps the dirty hits/lack of respect will finally start to wane.
Concussion are cumlative in the damages to the brain. The more you have the more damage. Now the new Sherrif will I am sure set a new tone. But tougher penalties costing the Team itself based upon dollars is one option.
I just hope he treats all of the players the same. I don't care if it's a superstar like Ovechkin or a 4th-line plugger, I want them to get the same punishment for the same infraction. Ovechkin has been borderline dirty on more than one occasion during his career, and if he was given a substantial suspension, then perhaps he would not do it any more.
Well Crosby has been out for quite some- The other team(s) should be paying a dollar value for that - He was hit twice - Cannot recall if the 1st was a dirty hit. That is why the brackets on teams.
Rick's fights werent staged he was tough and he grew up in a coal mining town where fighting was a way of life as a kid.He was troubled and because of the social stigma that's constantly attached to it from narrow minded chaps like gerry they dont allways come out with it untill it's too late.And not all the hockey suicides can be attributed to fighting. Some people have depression, it doesn't matter what their profession is. Michael Landsberg wrote an excellent article about it(at tsn.ca) where he was talking about how crippling it can be, and how someone may have depression and you may not even know it. His article was about how he suffers from depression and how his friend Wade Belak also suffered from it(and ultimately lost his battle to it
I like fighting in hockey, I'll make no bones(nor excuses) about it. However, I think fighting has it's time and place. Just dropping the gloves to "fire up your team" or the fights that are obviously staged/planned have no place in hockey. I think that fighting should be in response to someone on the opposing team taking liberties with your teammates. By liberties I mean dirty hits that the refs don't catch. Slew-foots, elbows to the head, etc. There are some players that just don't show any respect at all, and when Campbell was in charge of disciplinary actions, he was way too light with the punishment. I think that Shannahan will perform in a better capacity and perhaps the dirty hits/lack of respect will finally start to wane.
Most people would be totally amazed if they knew how many of their family was on effexor or paxil,they will never know though because a lot of people think it's something people can just get over and because of that it's usually kept a secret,guys like gerry ridicule mental illness all the time because they dont understand it or are scared of it.
When someone end's their life by their own hand it's not because they took a cowards way out,Im a pretty brave guy but I would never hang myself.
They end their life because absolutely nothing in their life brings them any happiness anymore.
At 50 years old I see at least 3 of my old buds die every year by suicide so it's a problem.
I never said that his fights were staged, Kakato. I am talking about the players that have done it(I don't follow the Canucks so I never saw too many games he played in), and there are players out there that do it.
And I also don't think that suicide is the cowards way out. I can't imagine what it would be like to suffer from depression.
And theres a reason they dont ask for help,because peeps like gerry would ridicule them.
20 years ago peeps would ridicule him for his lifestyle.
The problem with Mental illness is everyone thinks you`re Fukin Crazy - I pity and despise these people at the same time - Now that is a personal conflict.
I work for a large company and at times, as I am a retired Soldier I have had to explain what PTSD is - then their opinion changed to understanding.
Well we are all f*****g crazy to some degree, why else would people go trotting off downtown to pick up the latest overpriced gizmo because Mrs. Jones was nuts enough to buy one? Cliff's term "sheeple" explains the human race today. :lol:
Decided by the 80% who in their opinion don't qualify. :lol: Actually only about 10% are really sane.
Agreed.... it's no different than finger pointing at a person who's linked up to a breathing machine and days away from death due to decades of heavy smoking who tries to tell others not to smoke and do what he did before he does die.
But that's not to justify what happened in this specific situation and other retired players using the deaths of a few "formerly current" players to justify their positions, especially if their deaths can not be directly related to what happened/happens on the ice & thus could be completely un-related.
You know I can't count on both hands how many guys I have known in my 46 years who have taken their own life. In fact I know a thing or two about depression as I went through a very severe bout of it after being medically released from the military in 1998. After leaving the military and getting my own head back on straight I championed the rights of soldiers suffering from PTSD and even landed on CBC talking about the despicable way soldiers were treated by our government. Back then PTSD wasn't even recognized.
Do head shots cause depression? Beats me, but what I find somewhat amusing is that I haven't seen a single thread here on CC calling to outlaw boxing or worse that bloodsport they call UFC. Instead what I hear is bunch of complaining about Don Cherry, an old hockey player and coach who is paid handsomely to shoot his mouth off for ten minutes a game by the CBC.
So while I am very sorry that a young player took his own life, perhaps maybe some of you should head over to the Insite thread and complain about those who think that all drugs should be legal. Or send a letter to Dana White (President of UFC) and demand that they stop putting young men in rings and pounding their ears into cauliflower and brains into mush.
This calling for Cherry's resignation is kind of like gun control.
It's zeroing in on the safe target while avoiding the real issue.
Do head shots cause depression? Beats me, but what I find somewhat amusing is that I haven't seen a single thread here on CC calling to outlaw boxing or worse that bloodsport they call UFC. Instead what I hear is bunch of complaining about Don Cherry, an old hockey player and coach who is paid handsomely to shoot his mouth off for ten minutes a game by the CBC.
So while I am very sorry that a young player took his own life, perhaps maybe some of you should head over to the Insite thread and complain about those who think that all drugs should be legal. Or send a letter to Dana White (President of UFC) and demand that they stop putting young men in rings and pounding their ears into cauliflower and brains into mush.
This calling for Cherry's resignation is kind of like gun control.
It's zeroing in on the safe target while avoiding the real issue.