Tempers Flare Over School Prayers In Toronto
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Actually, it's ignorant shyte heads like you that bring this out in me. Your comments when it comes to any religion don't deserve any more than what I give.
No Gerry you come here to insult and vent because you do not have the balls to do it in real life. One frustrated man.
The bigger question is should it be removed to reflect the current thinking in the world. Does the fact that there is no separation of church and State in Canada bother anybody?
On a certain level it does, but that also reflects that one of the titles of Her Majesty is Defender of the Faith. We won't get official separation without getting rid of the Monarchy, which, as often debated, is a touchy subject with (at this point) dubious value at best. Traditionally, Canadian gov't has stayed out of most religious issues, in large part because of the precedent set by Quebec, a Roman Catholic populace in what was (at the time) a Protestant empire.
Personally, I think it's less about reflecting the current thinking in the world as it is about finding the place where all Canadians, irrespective of background or religious affiliation, can find some common ground. Realistically, encompassing all beliefs (including non belief) can not be done, so the only reasonable alternative is to remove the issue entirely.
Not particularly, because our country wasn't formed based on that idea, and we don't run around worrying about it. What amazes me about other countries that talk a big story about 'separation of church and state' is that no political leader can get anywhere without discussion of their religion, so the talk is, as usual, completely disingenuous.
Heck, our sovereign is, by definition, the leader of the Anglican Church. In reality, it has little effect.
Here in NB, there used to be separate catholic schools, but they've been morphed into the regular school system. Some of them retain their old names. Hazen-White/St Francis school, for example, is the result of the combined Hazen-White (protestant) school with St Francis (catholic) school.
Its not a poor example. They use it to get around the constitution and anyone else can. Thats what the notwithstanding clause is for-to get around the constitution.
I think that if people of any faith want to have prayer in school, they should start their own private school system. It seems to me the public school system is and should be secular because it is impossible to cater to the diversity of religious beliefs present in Canada. Giving special treatment to one group while not to others is just plain wrong and possibly unconstitutional.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm all for special treatment for special groups.
Well, if we look at it that way, then what's all the fuss about reasonable accommodation?
So proposing equal treatment for all is Christian-bashing now?
I'll admit I haven't read the entire thread, but I hope this isn't referring to my comment about the BNA Act.
Intolerance is what i call people going to your house and telling you how to rearrange your furniture.
I was speaking in general terms or I would have quoted you:smile:
Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm all for special treatment for special groups.
Well, if we look at it that way, then what's all the fuss about reasonable accommodation?
So proposing equal treatment for all is Christian-bashing now?
I'll admit I haven't read the entire thread, but I hope this isn't referring to my comment about the BNA Act.
Take a look at the early to mid 1840 - approx time - the rebellions in Upper/Lower Canada. A peaceful solution was found - there is not much difference between a European catholic - Protestant - Now there is a large difference where you throw in a number of other religions. Sore points - conflict - whether real or imagined will arise. Culture/religions do clash and at times it is over BS.
And precisely what has secularism have to do with atheism? Government is separate from religion but still has religious people involved. Governments run public schools not religious schools. Religion is the responsibility of parents, not society. How any different relgions are there practiced in Canada? You can't accommodate all of them in the system so we have a secular system. That has nothing to do with atheism. I have no problem with exposing all kids to all the various religious ideologies. It might promote understanding between religions and end the bickering but I doubt all religious parents would want their kids exposed to other ideologies on anything other than an informal basis. How many Christians, Muslims or Sikhs would allow their kids to experience a Sweat Lodge ceremony, attend Kingdom Hall or introduction to the Hare Krishnas?
