Iran Renders Verdict on US Hikers.

[gerryh]

Being stupid or foolhardy is something young people do all the time.

What do I expect? Immediate release. Will that happen? No, but all involved know it's a bullsh!t charge, they have served two years already and the Iranian regime is simply using them for propaganda purposes.

Yup, that's exactly what they are being used for, because if they weren't, they'd be dead already and the girl would be hanging right beside the 2 boys. Espionage get's the death penalty in that country. So far, they have been damn lucky in their stupidity and foolhardiness.

 

[CDNBear]

Mr Bauer, a freelance journalist and fluent Arabic speaker, had moved in 2008 to the Syrian capital Damascus, where he lived with Ms Shourd, 32, a teacher, writer and women's rights activist. The two met while organising demonstrations against the US-led invasion of Iraq.
Mr Fattal, an environmentalist and teacher, had travelled to Damascus in 2009 to visit his friends.
The trio - all graduates of the University of California, Berkeley - had travelled to Iraqi Kurdistan for a week's holiday. They had visited the tourist village of Ahmed Awa, and hiked along a trail local residents had recommended, Ms Shourd said.

Interesting.

Yes......one can see that it takes a moron to make assumptions about who is defending what ......if anything. Particularly when being objective and trying to see the facts for what they are , is not part of a "moron" skill set. Now, back to topic or shall we discuss moronic arrogance here as well??:roll:

A paragraph that equally describes you.

rational thought seems sparse at best.

I agree, work on it.

You mean the trigger happy , shoot from the mouth, knee jerk response member that believes anything outside his/her thought patterns is "kool aide"

Are you talking about yourself here?

Ok RCS, what exactly do you expect these 2 idiots to get?

Deported.

 

[Machjo]

I just thought of something that would really piss Iran off:

Any Iranian coming to Canada would:

1. be required to present a valid Iranian passport or profess the Baha'i Faith or other persecuted Faith, to the Canadian border agent inspecting him, but would not require any visa, whether for transiting, travel, business, work or study for any length of time,

2. Should he profess the Baha'i Faith or some other persecuted Faith, he could of course claim refugee status, and

3. Should he simply present a valid Iranian passport, he'd have to sing a public petition, in his own name, demanding that the UN take action to protect Iran's Baha'is and members of other persecuted minority Faith communities from persecution.

This would put all Iranian Shi'as in a bind in that either they would not be allowed into Canada or would be required to sign a petition putting them at odds with the Iranian regime.

We could add to this that all Iranian merchants in Iran who belong to a persecuted Faith community or who sign this petition would be granted free trade with Canada, while all others would be sanctioned, the choice being entirely theirs of course.

 

[gerryh]

I just thought of something that would really piss Iran off:

Any Iranian coming to Canada would:

1. be required to present a valid Iranian passport or profess the Baha'i Faith or other persecuted Faith, to the Canadian border agent inspecting him, but would not require any visa, whether for transiting, travel, business, work or study for any length of time,

2. Should he profess the Baha'i Faith or some other persecuted Faith, he could of course claim refugee status, and

3. Should he simply present a valid Iranian passport, he'd have to sing a public petition, in his own name, demanding that the UN take action to protect Iran's Baha'is and members of other persecuted minority Faith communities from persecution.

This would put all Iranian Shi'as in a bind in that either they would not be allowed into Canada or would be required to sign a petition putting them at odds with the Iranian regime.

We could add to this that all Iranian merchants in Iran who belong to a persecuted Faith community or who sign this petition would be granted free trade with Canada, while all others would be sanctioned, the choice being entirely theirs of course.

I see you want to ensure that the Iranian people get fu cked over by the Iranian government.

 

[JLM]

I think there is a lesson here ..........if you don't like adverse/unjust treatment stay away from places like Iran, Iraq, Mexico etc.

 

[Machjo]

I see you want to ensure that the Iranian people get fu cked over by the Iranian government.

Not necessarily. If signing the petition risks their not being allowed to return, of course we could grant them refugee status. Besides, as the petition grows, the Canadian military could benefit from fluent Persian-speaking recruits and civilian interpreters.

The Polish pilots serving the RAF in WWII were highly effective.

 

[gerryh]

Not necessarily. If signing the petition risks their not being allowed to return, of course we could grant them refugee status. Besides, as the petition grows, the Canadian military could benefit from fluent Persian-speaking recruits and civilian interpreters.

The Polish pilots serving the RAF in WWII were highly effective.

and this?

all Iranian merchants in Iran who belong to a persecuted Faith community or who sign this petition would be granted free trade with Canada, while all others would be sanctioned, the choice being entirely theirs of course.

That wouldn't cause any problems at all, now would it.

 

[Machjo]

and this?




That wouldn't cause any problems at all, now would it.

Those who are identified as members of persecuted minorities would not need to sing the petition, as was clear from the statement. So should anyone be identified as a member of a persecuted minority, he'd immediately be granted free trade. It's not like he's not being persecuted already anyway, right? Though granted they're not likely to be merchants either, but rather poor, unemployed, or farm help, true enough. But it would be a nice symbolic gesture.

And of course none from within Iran will likely sign the petition, but again it would be a positive gesture symbolically.

 

[gerryh]

:roll::roll:

 

[Machjo]

:roll::roll:

I guess you don't understand the value of symbolism in policy decisions, which can be just as important as any other decision.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Yup, that's exactly what they are being used for, because if they weren't, they'd be dead already and the girl would be hanging right beside the 2 boys. Espionage get's the death penalty in that country. So far, they have been damn lucky in their stupidity and foolhardiness.

Sooner or later Iran will have to be dealt with.

 

[AbtFet]

Sooner or later Iran will have to be dealt with.

Why did I ever think this guy was a war monger? :roll:

 

[CDNBear]

Why did I ever think this guy was a war monger? :roll:

Because you haven't the ability to think logically, broadly or outside what your narrow ideology prescribes or permits.

 

[Nuggler]

Ms. Kazemi, was raped and then beaten to death.

If the two hikers make it for 8 years and come home, they're lucky.

 

[Cliffy]

Sooner or later Iran will have to be dealt with.

Iran is about 60 - 70 years behind North America as far as being civilized in our sense of the word. It wasn't that long ago we had nigga hangings and a person could get the death penalty for attempting suicide, gays were beaten, sometimes to death, women and aboriginals got the vote and religious freedom in Canada only applied to Christians and Jews.

 

[Goober]

Iran is about 60 - 70 years behind North America as far as being civilized in our sense of the word. It wasn't that long ago we had nigga hangings and a person could get the death penalty for attempting suicide, gays were beaten, sometimes to death, women and aboriginals got the vote and religious freedom in Canada only applied to Christians and Jews.

Best check that math - they are stuck in the 12th / 13th century.

 

[Cliffy]

Best check that math - they are stuck in the 12th / 13th century.

Maybe in the religious sense, but they have a modern society as far as technology is concerned. If you lived through the 50s in NA, you would know how backwards we were and how far we have come since then. Yes Sharia law is a throw back, but if left to their own devices, young Iranians will dump that shyte within the next few decades. Revolution is coming to Iran, the process has already started. If we interfere, the backlash will set them back decades. Leave them alone and they will progress at their own pace in their own sweat time. It is none of our business. If the West would stop rattling sabers at them, they would have revolted already.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Iran is about 60 - 70 years behind North America as far as being civilized in our sense of the word. It wasn't that long ago we had nigga hangings and a person could get the death penalty for attempting suicide, gays were beaten, sometimes to death, women and aboriginals got the vote and religious freedom in Canada only applied to Christians and Jews.

I am pretty sure that hanging gays was never on our agenda. That women were not stoned. That blacks were hung. You are also comparing the acts of individuals against something that is state sanctioned. North America has certainly come a long way in the last 60 years, but your comparison just does not stand up.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

I would have thought closing Guantanimo would have been one of the easiest!

although we have slid from the original topic.........I have to agree. Never did understand the lack of follow through on that "promise". Maybe that is the problem........ empty political promises.......as opposed to serious responsible commitments .

I am pretty sure that hanging gays was never on our agenda. That women were not stoned. That blacks were hung. You are also comparing the acts of individuals against something that is state sanctioned. North America has certainly come a long way in the last 60 years, but your comparison just does not stand up.

comparisons like that are counterproductive anyhow..... and are done by folks that want to blow their horn about the "progress" society has made. YET........ anti Gay seintiment, and other prejudices continue to influence societal attitudes. How far have"we come when it takes a few loud mouth talking heads on the media to stir up a lynch mob kill mentality when justice has not yielded the verdict these vengeful folks want. It would take nothing for this gang to grab their pitch forks and render "justice" ( Casey anthony) THEIR WAY. Wanting blood, is not all that evolved. And we see it in the US on a regular basis. The lynching mentality is not far from the time that it was actively done.

As I mentioned before..........the Iranian gov't is one thing. but the people and society there is not at all it is portrayed by the USG / media. I know at least three professionals from the region .......one being my heart surgeon.... and they just roll their eyes... at the commentary they hear from the media. It is no wonder the so called "west" is seen as dull , brainwashed, and uneducated .

 

[Goober]

although we have slid from the original topic.........I have to agree. Never did understand the lack of follow through on that "promise". Maybe that is the problem........ empty political promises.......as opposed to serious responsible commitments .



comparisons like that are counterproductive anyhow..... and are done by folks that want to blow their horn about the "progress" society has made. YET........ anti Gay seintiment, and other prejudices continue to influence societal attitudes. How far have"we come when it takes a few loud mouth talking heads on the media to stir up a lynch mob kill mentality when justice has not yielded the verdict these vengeful folks want. It would take nothing for this gang to grab their pitch forks and render "justice" ( Casey anthony) THEIR WAY. Wanting blood, is not all that evolved. And we see it in the US on a regular basis. The lynching mentality is not far from the time that it was actively done.

As I mentioned before..........the Iranian gov't is one thing. but the people and society there is not at all it is portrayed by the USG / media. I know at least three professionals from the region .......one being my heart surgeon.... and they just roll their eyes... at the commentary they hear from the media. It is no wonder the so called "west" is seen as dull , brainwashed, and uneducated .

You know professionals from the Region - Yup - You should be on CNN - Why are they here - Your comparisons to the Anthony trial are laughable - Do you know anything about the Thugocracy - the fight between Imanutjob and Khomeini -
Or that Imanutjobs chief adviser states he know the location of the hidden Imam -