Well ya got me there. I didn't notice that she had changed to this Nancy chic from the one you mentioned because I just got back from an 8 hour road trip and was half asleep. But I don't know enough to see how what I did quote was an anti-American rant.
What the Hell is Going on in London?
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Hey look a riot! Just keep looking while everything else tanks out on you and keep yapping about riots they are more important than your money becoming worthless.
Not a problem....My hat's off to you for this answer.
Wish I could give you more than one greenie.
What you said was not anti american....the original rant was.
Holy s h i t, you actually made a post I fully agree with. Makes me wonder why we're such opposites when such a fundamental concept is mutual.
#2 is part democratic socialism btw - the same good stuff you accuse the left of pushing.
There is a popular myth fueled by the right wing media which says the rioters are all black, unemployed, and a bunch of scoundrels. But the facts show otherwise as middle class whites are in on the fun of riots and mayhem:
Many Suspects in London Riots Lived "Respectable" Lives
http://kdrv.com/page/220766
Before they started appearing in court, most people assumed London's rioters and looters were unemployed youths with no hope and no future.
So there was much surprise when details of the accused began to emerge, and they included some from wealthy backgrounds or with good jobs.
Those passing through London's courtrooms on Tuesday and Wednesday -- some courts sat overnight to cope with the numbers -- have included a teaching assistant, a lifeguard, a postman, a chef, a charity worker, a millionaire's daughter and an 11-year-old boy, newspapers reported. The tabloid Sun newspaper wrote in its opinion page on Thursday of the "sick" society described by Prime Minister David Cameron: "The sickness starts on welfare-addicted estates where ****less parents let children run wild."
But its front-page headline told a different story about the accused: "Lifeguard, postman, hairdresser, teacher, millionaire's daughter, chef and schoolboy, 11."
The Daily Mail reported: "While the trouble has been largely blamed on feral teenagers, many of those paraded before the courts yesterday led apparently respectable lives."
The upmarket Daily Telegraph devoted its page three to the case of Laura Johnson, the 19-year-old daughter of a company director who pleaded not guilty to stealing £5,000 ($8,000) of electrical goods, under the headline: "Girl who has it all is accused of theft."
The newspaper said she lived in a converted farmhouse in the leafy London suburb of Orpington, Kent, with extensive grounds and a tennis court, had studied at one of the best-performing state schools in the country and now attends the University of Exeter. Reporter Andrew Gilligan wrote in the Daily Telegraph: "Here in court, as David Cameron condemned the 'sickness' in parts of British society, we saw clearly, for the first time, the face of the riot: stripped of its hoods and masks, dressed in white prison T-shirts and handcuffed to burly security guards."
"It was rather different from the one we had been expecting."
Gilligan added of the defendants at Highbury Magistrates Court in north London: "Most were teenagers or in their early twenties, but a surprising number were older. "Most interestingly of all, they were predominantly white, and many had jobs."
So much for those who believe liberalism was the cause of all this and that only blacks are capable of anarchy and mayhem.
Liberals hate it when women speak out?
Nah, it's the wrong ... err, right wingers who hate the Maureen Dowds, Jane Garofalos, and Arianna Huffingtons of this world.
Nah, it's the wrong ... err, right wingers who hate the Maureen Dowds, Jane Garofalos, and Arianna Huffingtons of this world.
about liberals "hating" when women........is perhaps the dumbest remark that has been made public this way.
The assumptions about how liberals think......or what makes them who they are, let alone what their changing ideologies are are astounding.
The same applies to the right wing gang .
One really has to wonder about the education level , the conceptual abilities and most of all the objectivity of some. Honest, NOT everything is right or left. Because it has been so divisive along party lines with lines so definitively drawn , we have the mess in politcs that exist today. NO ONE IS WILLING to given an inch.......let alone .........perish the thought that dirty word: COMPROMISE.
The real problem is that right wingers don't realize that they do it more often than anyone else. And God help those who point it out to them.
Of the two main segments......yes, the RW and any derivative of same......have mastered the behavior of DENIAL, and PROJECTION. along with a serious inability to reflect on their own actions , words ... but are convinced to a delusional level that they are right about everything . Particularly when targetting someone or something to blame. They talk responsibility but have no clue as to how to handle it or what it really means.
To be fair........the lefties have their issues too. But overall are still grounded with a degree of reasonableness.
... what you say is true. But the real problem as I see it is the lefties are too timid to assert the truth about right wing hypocrisy and double standards. Having the truth on your side is of no value if one is too timid to use it. That's the lefty problem in the USA today. Not so among lefties in Canada or in Europe.
EXELLENT point about the "timidity" factor. Would venture that we are seeing that overly careful , cautious behavior in Obama. He favors tact and problem solving strategies........but "those others" want war......on the battle filed, in washington and for that matter everywhere.
Your comment prompted a thought about the RW having little or no ethics. They are governed by their own greed , aggression , money and how best to manipulate others for their own gain. Someone who wants to be ethical ( as much as this can exist in politics) has no tools in his coping bag with the ones that will do anything / everything cut throat .......to have the upper hand....or obstruct anothers plans.
Collectively.........they are NOT nice people .....as anyone can witness.
Sorry to have to piss on your parade but hypocrisy doesn't follow political lines. :lol:
Depraved or deprived? UK split on riot causes
LONDON — Prime Minister David Cameron says the riots which have scarred England were motivated by pure criminality, but opposition politicians and academics say they also point to social deprivation.
As the last of the broken glass is swept up from city centres and shops reopen for business after four nights of violence and looting which spread from London to other cities, thoughts have turned to the causes of the violence. Cameron initially reacted to what he called "disgusting" scenes by talking tough, ordering a near-tripling of police on London's streets and warning the rioters they would be tracked down and prosecuted.
The images of young, hooded men smashing their way into shops and making off with televisions, or trying on training shoes outside looted stores, showed that part of British society was "sick", the Conservative prime minister said. He has refused to accept however that the violence had anything to do with poverty or that the riots were motivated by political protest.
Many Britons agree with him, with one poll showing 42 percent blamed criminal behaviour for the riots.
As the country reeled at the extent of the violence, the main opposition Labour party largely refused to score political points and avoided linking the riots to deep spending cuts brought in by Cameron's Conservative-Liberal Democrat government.
"I think what we've got to do is to avoid simplistic solutions," said Labour leader Ed Miliband.
"I found myself thinking that this was individual criminal activity and there can be no excuse and justification for it -- but I know we need to go beyond that," he told BBC radio.
"Is it culture or is it poverty and lack of opportunity? It is probably both."
Miliband linked the looting to the banking crisis and the scandal of phone hacking by a tabloid newspaper, which showed a lack of responsibility and a "me first" mentality, and called for all of society to "look into our souls". Tony Travers, of the London School of Economics, said it was not surprising politicians were struggling to formulate a response to the riots.
"What has happened significantly involves people breaking things and destroying them and stealing consumer goods, particularly trainers and plasma TV screens from shops," he told AFP.
"This is not a political point even though politicians will have to understand why it happened and react to it. But this was not a political riot or demonstration of any kind."
The trigger for the riots was the shooting of a man by police in the multi-ethnic north London suburb of Tottenham, although as the violence swept to other cities it appeared to be more copycat than in solidarity with any cause.
Professor Gus John from the University of London, who specialises in black issues, maintains however that the police tactics of "stop and search", particularly of young black men, breed resentment towards the police.
"So many of those young people who you'll have seen in the footage (of the riots) would have been people who have been regularly searched by the police, some of them resenting that massively," he said. "I think to a large extent, it's an outpouring of pent-up anger against the police, but also total frustration with their situation as people who see no future for themselves."
But David Lammy, the member of parliament for Tottenham whose parents were immigrants from the Caribbean, insisted: "The polarisation is not between black and white. It is between those who have a stake in society and those who do not." Yet many of the hundreds of suspects who have appeared in all-night court sessions following the violence do have jobs, and some were university-educated, such as 24-year-old Natasha Reid.
The graduate with ambitions to become a social worker appeared in court in London after handing herself into police for stealing a flat-screen television from a looted electronics store.
Another issue is starting to be heard on radio phone-ins and TV panel shows.
Many people wonder at the role of the young looters' parents when their children were ransacking shops at the height of the violence.
One boy in Manchester admitted he had no restraints from his parents, saying: "When I get home, nothing is going to happen to me. I might get shouted at, but I'm not going to get grounded."
An exasperated mother on BBC TV's Question Time on Thursday said British society had given young people "all the rights without any of the responsibilities".
"I can't even discipline my child. Children sue their parents these days," she said.
AFP: Depraved or deprived? UK split on riot causes
LONDON — Prime Minister David Cameron says the riots which have scarred England were motivated by pure criminality, but opposition politicians and academics say they also point to social deprivation.
As the last of the broken glass is swept up from city centres and shops reopen for business after four nights of violence and looting which spread from London to other cities, thoughts have turned to the causes of the violence. Cameron initially reacted to what he called "disgusting" scenes by talking tough, ordering a near-tripling of police on London's streets and warning the rioters they would be tracked down and prosecuted.
The images of young, hooded men smashing their way into shops and making off with televisions, or trying on training shoes outside looted stores, showed that part of British society was "sick", the Conservative prime minister said. He has refused to accept however that the violence had anything to do with poverty or that the riots were motivated by political protest.
Many Britons agree with him, with one poll showing 42 percent blamed criminal behaviour for the riots.
As the country reeled at the extent of the violence, the main opposition Labour party largely refused to score political points and avoided linking the riots to deep spending cuts brought in by Cameron's Conservative-Liberal Democrat government.
"I think what we've got to do is to avoid simplistic solutions," said Labour leader Ed Miliband.
"I found myself thinking that this was individual criminal activity and there can be no excuse and justification for it -- but I know we need to go beyond that," he told BBC radio.
"Is it culture or is it poverty and lack of opportunity? It is probably both."
Miliband linked the looting to the banking crisis and the scandal of phone hacking by a tabloid newspaper, which showed a lack of responsibility and a "me first" mentality, and called for all of society to "look into our souls". Tony Travers, of the London School of Economics, said it was not surprising politicians were struggling to formulate a response to the riots.
"What has happened significantly involves people breaking things and destroying them and stealing consumer goods, particularly trainers and plasma TV screens from shops," he told AFP.
"This is not a political point even though politicians will have to understand why it happened and react to it. But this was not a political riot or demonstration of any kind."
The trigger for the riots was the shooting of a man by police in the multi-ethnic north London suburb of Tottenham, although as the violence swept to other cities it appeared to be more copycat than in solidarity with any cause.
Professor Gus John from the University of London, who specialises in black issues, maintains however that the police tactics of "stop and search", particularly of young black men, breed resentment towards the police.
"So many of those young people who you'll have seen in the footage (of the riots) would have been people who have been regularly searched by the police, some of them resenting that massively," he said. "I think to a large extent, it's an outpouring of pent-up anger against the police, but also total frustration with their situation as people who see no future for themselves."
But David Lammy, the member of parliament for Tottenham whose parents were immigrants from the Caribbean, insisted: "The polarisation is not between black and white. It is between those who have a stake in society and those who do not." Yet many of the hundreds of suspects who have appeared in all-night court sessions following the violence do have jobs, and some were university-educated, such as 24-year-old Natasha Reid.
The graduate with ambitions to become a social worker appeared in court in London after handing herself into police for stealing a flat-screen television from a looted electronics store.
Another issue is starting to be heard on radio phone-ins and TV panel shows.
Many people wonder at the role of the young looters' parents when their children were ransacking shops at the height of the violence.
One boy in Manchester admitted he had no restraints from his parents, saying: "When I get home, nothing is going to happen to me. I might get shouted at, but I'm not going to get grounded."
An exasperated mother on BBC TV's Question Time on Thursday said British society had given young people "all the rights without any of the responsibilities".
"I can't even discipline my child. Children sue their parents these days," she said.
AFP: Depraved or deprived? UK split on riot causes
The "authorities" will use this as an opportunity to tighten policing and reduce rights for all. If I were a UK MP I wouldn't have waited 4 days to go back to work to solve this issue. The lack of repsonse shows they needed a "show" and an excuse to make **** worse for all.
Snippets from an excellent article written by Russell Brand:
Dismissing rioters as mindless is futile rhetoric. However unacceptable the UK riots, we need to ask why they are happening
That state of deprivation though is, of course, the condition that many of those rioting endure as their unbending reality. No education, a weakened family unit, no money and no way of getting any. JD Sports is probably easier to desecrate if you can't afford what's in there and the few poorly paid jobs there are taken. Amidst the bleakness of this social landscape, squinting all the while in the glare of a culture that radiates ultraviolet consumerism and infrared celebrity. That daily, hourly, incessantly enforces the egregious, deceitful message that you are what you wear, what you drive, what you watch and what you watch it on, in livid, neon pixels. The only light in their lives comes from these luminous corporate messages. No wonder they have their ****ing hoods up.
"Why am I surprised that these young people behave destructively, "mindlessly", motivated only by self-interest? How should we describe the actions of the city bankers who brought our economy to its knees in 2010? Altruistic? Mindful? Kind? But then again, they do wear suits, so they deserve to be bailed out, perhaps that's why not one of them has been imprisoned. And they got away with a lot more than a few ****ing pairs of trainers."
If we don't want our young people to tear apart our communities then don't let people in power tear apart the values that hold our communities together.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/11/london-riots-davidcameron
Dismissing rioters as mindless is futile rhetoric. However unacceptable the UK riots, we need to ask why they are happening
That state of deprivation though is, of course, the condition that many of those rioting endure as their unbending reality. No education, a weakened family unit, no money and no way of getting any. JD Sports is probably easier to desecrate if you can't afford what's in there and the few poorly paid jobs there are taken. Amidst the bleakness of this social landscape, squinting all the while in the glare of a culture that radiates ultraviolet consumerism and infrared celebrity. That daily, hourly, incessantly enforces the egregious, deceitful message that you are what you wear, what you drive, what you watch and what you watch it on, in livid, neon pixels. The only light in their lives comes from these luminous corporate messages. No wonder they have their ****ing hoods up.
"Why am I surprised that these young people behave destructively, "mindlessly", motivated only by self-interest? How should we describe the actions of the city bankers who brought our economy to its knees in 2010? Altruistic? Mindful? Kind? But then again, they do wear suits, so they deserve to be bailed out, perhaps that's why not one of them has been imprisoned. And they got away with a lot more than a few ****ing pairs of trainers."
If we don't want our young people to tear apart our communities then don't let people in power tear apart the values that hold our communities together.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/11/london-riots-davidcameron
lol yeah being poor in the UK is sooo hard.
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