A balanced Canadian approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

[Colpy]

Israel vindicated once again:

IAEA chief: Syria tried to build nuclear reactor - The Globe and Mail

The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency on Thursday said for the first time that a target destroyed by Israeli warplanes in the Syrian desert in 2007 was a covertly built nuclear reactor, appearing to counter assertions by Syria that it had no atomic secrets to hide.

Yep.

Just like the famous (but non-existent) Jenin massacre.

Just like the massacre at sea.

Just like the casualty reports from Operation Cast Lead.......and Goldstone's accusations.

In the end, as usual, Israel has been vindicated.

That is why Canada's policy should be support for Israel

 

[earth_as_one]

Canada's policy should be what's best for Canada.

We should stay out of middle east conflicts and treat all war criminals and terrorists the same way, regardless of country of origin or religion.

 

[earth_as_one]

Update:

Jimmy Carter urges support for Palestinian deal
(AFP) – 4 hours ago


WASHINGTON — Former US president Jimmy Carter on Wednesday urged the international community to support a new Palestinian unity deal, saying it would improve the chances for Middle East peace.

Western-backed Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas's Fatah party and its rivals in the Islamist Hamas penned the deal on Tuesday to end years of infighting, but Israel has called the agreement a blow to the peace process...

...Israel has ruled out dealing with any Palestinian entity that includes Hamas, which is also blacklisted as a terrorist group by the United States and the European Union because of its commitment to armed struggle.

But Carter insisted that Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal, with whom he has met on a number of occasions, told him that Hamas would accept a two-state agreement provided it was approved in a Palestinian referendum.

"Such an agreement could provide mutual recognition -- Israel would recognize an independent Palestinian state and Palestine would recognize Israel," Carter wrote.

"In other words, an agreement will include Hamas's recognition of Israel."

Representatives of Fatah, Hamas and 11 other Palestinian factions, as well as independent political figures, inked the reconciliation deal on Tuesday following talks with Egyptian officials....

AFP: Jimmy Carter urges support for Palestinian deal

Canada should treat all war criminals similarly. We should not favor one group of war criminals over another.

Canada should support efforts by either side to resolve this conflict peacefully.

 

[Colpy]

I've been waiting on you EAO.

SIX HUNDRED innocents dead in Syria, hundreds more arrested to be tortured and murdered.

Twice as many innocents killed in peaceful protest in support of democracy than Israel killed in Operation Cast Lead, a defensive war.

But not a word from that unbiased defender of human rights with an interest in the Middle East. Not a whisper.

Dozens, if not hundreds of pages of BS, accusation, idiotic innuendo and Palestinian propaganda posted to vilify the Israeli democracy..........

You have shown yourself to be nothing more than a shill for Islamist terrorists, and a Jew-hater.

It becomes clearer every time you post.

 

[darkbeaver]

A balanced Canadian approach to genocide. Simple, we do nothing and keep our mouths shut just like we have done for all these years. If the real movers and shakers want the Palestinians gone who are we to get in the way, after all it's not happening to us. Palestinians are just in the way of progress, maybe they need better educations.

I've been waiting on you EAO.

SIX HUNDRED innocents dead in Syria, hundreds more arrested to be tortured and murdered.

Twice as many innocents killed in peaceful protest in support of democracy than Israel killed in Operation Cast Lead, a defensive war.

But not a word from that unbiased defender of human rights with an interest in the Middle East. Not a whisper.

Dozens, if not hundreds of pages of BS, accusation, idiotic innuendo and Palestinian propaganda posted to vilify the Israeli democracy..........

You have shown yourself to be nothing more than a shill for Islamist terrorists, and a Jew-hater.

It becomes clearer every time you post.

G'mornin Colpy, I hope your enjoyin some spring sun t'day bud. I wish EAO would stop gettin you so upset. It's bad for your pump old man. anywho my point, I was wonderin if you had givin any thought to the reason you are so good at spottin BS. You do seem to exibit some expertize in the craft.

 

[Colpy]

A balanced Canadian approach to genocide. Simple, we do nothing and keep our mouths shut just like we have done for all these years. If the real movers and shakers want the Palestinians gone who are we to get in the way, after all it's not happening to us. Palestinians are just in the way of progress, maybe they need better educations.



G'mornin Colpy, I hope your enjoyin some spring sun t'day bud. I wish EAO would stop gettin you so upset. It's bad for your pump old man. anywho my point, I was wonderin if you had givin any thought to the reason you are so good at spottin BS. You do seem to exibit some expertize in the craft.

Yep, and I call BS on your first paragraph....lol

Good day to you, Sir. And thank you for your kind words.

 

[earth_as_one]

I've been waiting on you EAO.

SIX HUNDRED innocents dead in Syria, hundreds more arrested to be tortured and murdered.

Twice as many innocents killed in peaceful protest in support of democracy than Israel killed in Operation Cast Lead, a defensive war.

But not a word from that unbiased defender of human rights with an interest in the Middle East. Not a whisper.

Dozens, if not hundreds of pages of BS, accusation, idiotic innuendo and Palestinian propaganda posted to vilify the Israeli democracy..........

You have shown yourself to be nothing more than a shill for Islamist terrorists, and a Jew-hater.

It becomes clearer every time you post.

Off topic here, but please feel free to post your comments regarding Syria on this string I started on it back on March 21st.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/international-politics/99112-syrias-protests-have-escalated.html

So far the Harper regime has not yet expressed support for the Syrian dictator like they did with the Egyptian dictator, nor has Harper expressed unshakable support for Syrian war criminals, like they support Israeli war criminals.

I find your support of Syria's crimes as distasteful as your support for Israel's crimes.

based on your posts, you obviously have a lot of hate in your heart. Do you have any pills which might be able to calm you? Your religious based hatred and hatred of anyone who defends universal human rights of Muslims and Arabs is causing you to loose it.

Unlike you, I don't defend people who use children as human shields to block bullets and search for explosives. I am also against people who attack ambulances and humanitarian aid shipments. I am against interfering with the delivery of food and medical humanitarian aid. I don't support collectively punishing 1.5 million people because they elected someone the Israelis don't like in free and fair democratic elections.

I support treating all war criminals the same way. You support war crimes against Muslims and Arabs in general, and against Palestinian civilians specifically. Only someone who feels hate could support a soldier forcing a child at gun point to search for explosives, rather than condemn this as a cowardly act. Your blind hatred of Muslims and Arabs causes you to perceive all Arabs and Muslims as less than human and not deserving of fundamental human rights, let alone equality and respect.

I hate no one including war criminals. Unlike you, I support holding all people accountable for their actions including war crimes. I don't give anyone a free pass because of their religion.

What you can't seem to understand is the concept that because I am against Israeli human right violations, I must therefore support human right violations of all of Israel's adversaries.

You view this conflict like a sporting event. In your simplistic world, you either support team A and hate team B, or vice versa.

I view this conflict as the result of religious based ethnic cleansing, the root cause. Horrendous war crimes have been committed by both sides.

Canada, the US and many other Western Nations only condemn one side's war crimes and ignore the sides war crimes. The US and Canada are alone in supporting Israel's ongoing ethnic cleansing crime against humanity which drives this conflict.



Update:

Israel collects and withholds Palestinian Taxes. Its a form of taxation without representation, which was a root cause of the American War of Independence.

Today's News

Egypt holds the keys to Palestinian peace
A more receptive, post-'Arab Spring' Egypt can help push the peace process forward after Palestinian factions unify.



....All signs indicate Egypt will continue to make Israel feel the cold. Already their foreign ministry has broken from Mubarak policy by supporting a unilaterally declared Palestinian state and demanding that the US follow suit.


More significantly, they can open the Rafah border and end Israel's siege of Gaza. Such a move would at a stroke remove a cornerstone of Israeli security policy, weakening their control and exposing them to even harsher international condemnation for the glaring disregard for human rights in the Strip. Such a move would present problems for Egypt too, but official statements indicate it is a case of when, rather than if, the Rafah border will be opened.


How will Israel react? Beyond the hysterical rhetoric, they have already taken concrete steps, withholding an $89million tax payment to the PA which will leave many state employees unpaid. They will hope the withdrawal of support will severely affect their long-time allies, who have become "terrorists" again at a stroke. Beyond disengaging with Palestinians, Israel will likely reduce involvement with the whole Arab region and rely even more heavily on US support.


They are lobbying the Quartet to thwart recognition of the unity government or a unilateral declaration of Palestinian statehood. It will work on the US, which will continue to veto any resolution that would negatively affect Israel, and the White House has already condemned the reconciliation treaty.


The UN and EU may prove harder to convince. EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton has been a vocal critic of Israel's occupation and siege, while the latest UN Security Council resolution condemning West Bank settlements was unanimous, save for the US veto. The Quartet's planned talks for April have been postponed but US protection of Israel will certainly receive a stern examination.

Choosing a new path


Having finally cast off US-Israeli sham brokerage and taken a decisive step by themselves, the Palestinian factions must wait while external powers dispute their fate. Their task now is to maintain the uneasy alliance, which will ask searching questions. Hamas insist that un-elected prime minister Salam Fayyad stand down, while Fatah will have problems releasing the thousands of Hamas prisoners they now hold.


The issue of recognising Israel should prove less of a stumbling block. Hamas members were party to the 1993 PLO formal recognition announcement and the demand will likely be removed if a genuine offer is on the table. Neither should they have a problem renouncing violence, given their history of honouring ceasefires...


Egypt holds the keys to Palestinian peace - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

Also, expect a wave of Arabs to converge on Israel's borders come al Nakbah's anniversary on May 15.

 

[mentalfloss]

How does this sound as a starting point?
--
QUESTION: One of your books, The Fateful Triangle, focuses specifically on the Middle East, and I was wondering if you could talk about your position on a possible two-state solution to the Palestinian question.

CHOMSKY: I don't think that's the optimal solution, but it has been the realistic political settlement for some time. We have to begin with some fundamentals here. The real question is: there are plainly two national groups that claim the right of self-determination in what used to be Palestine, roughly the area now occupied by Israel minus the Golan Heights, which is part of Syria.

So there are two national groups which claim national self-determination. One group is the indigenous population, or what's left of it -- a lot of it's been expelled or driven out or fled. The other group is the Jewish settlers who came in, originally from Europe, later from other parts of the Middle East and some other places. So there are two groups, the indigenous population and the immigrants and their descendants. Both claim the right of national self-determination. Here we have to make a crucial decision: are we racists or aren't we? If we're not racists, then the indigenous population has the same rights of self-determination as the settlers who replaced them. Some might claim more, but let's say at least as much right. Hence if we are not racist, we will try to press for a solution which accords them -- we'll say they are human beings with equal rights, therefore they both merit the claim to national self-determination. I'm granting that the settlers have the same rights as the indigenous population; many do not find that obvious but let's grant it. Then there are a number of possibilities. One possibility is a democratic secular society. Virtually nobody is in favor of that. Some people say they are, but if you look closely they're not really. There are various models for multi-ethnic societies, say Switzerland or whatever. And maybe in the long run these might be the best idea, but they're unrealistic.

The only realistic political settlement, for the time being, in the past ten or twelve years, that would satisfy the right of self-determination for both national groups is a two-state settlement. Everybody knows what it would have to be: Israel within approximately the pre-June 1967 borders and a Palestinian state in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and a return of the Golan Heights to Syria, or maybe some other arrangement. This would be associated with maybe demilitarized zones and international guarantees of some sort or another, but that's the framework of a possible political settlement. As I say, I don't think it's the best one, but that's the realistic one, very realistic. It's supported by most of the world. It's supported by Europe, by the Soviet Union, has been for a long time, by almost all the non-aligned countries, it's supported by all the major Arab states and has been for a long time, supported by the mainstream of the PLO and, again, has been for a long time, it's supported even by the American population, by about two to one according to the polls.

Israel, the Holocaust, and Anti-Semitism, by Noam Chomsky (Excerpted from Chronicles of Dissent)

 

[Just the Facts]

So there are two national groups which claim national self-determination. One group is the indigenous population, or what's left of it -- a lot of it's been expelled or driven out or fled. The other group is the Jewish settlers who came in, originally from Europe, later from other parts of the Middle East and some other places. So there are two groups, the indigenous population and the immigrants and their descendants.

BRRRRPP!

Oh, I'm sorry, the correct answer is "most Arabs are also recent immigrants to Palestine".

Well, back to the books and maybe you can play again next year. Thank you for trying Mr. Chomsky.

O, and a message from Eaglesmack...... "sorry for your loss......" lol

 

[mentalfloss]

I'm very foggy on this issue, but there seems to be a lot of evidence that indicates that while Israel has a right to defend itself, it cannot be by force.. I'm still trying to work out the logistics, but Chomsky's critique on Obama's stance is appropriate considering Israel actually does have peaceful means to defend itself.

YouTube - Chomsky on Obama on Israel & Palestine 23 Jan 2009 Part 1/3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTGv23uFZi4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prPoAlTMQxc&feature=related

 

[ironsides]

Just a little update as to who is on first.

The first time the name was used was in 70 C. E. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.

"There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not." In fact, Palestine is never explicitly mentioned in the Koran, rather it is called "the holy land" (al-Arad al-Muqaddash).

 

[darkbeaver]

Myth or history? You be the judge. Historically the word Israel does not refer to a physical place but to a spiritual attainment/elevation. Goyim are the, as yet, unelevated.

.

 

[MHz]

Just a little update as to who is on first.

The first time the name was used was in 70 C. E. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.

"There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not." In fact, Palestine is never explicitly mentioned in the Koran, rather it is called "the holy land" (al-Arad al-Muqaddash).

Why would you prove the existence of that place when you are arguing that Palestine never existed. If conquest means possession and right to return exists the Palestine was the original name. If they want to claim it as their own via their relationship with God then lets examine the content of that perfectly preserved document and lets see if it was ownership or a lease agreement.
Bible Map: Valley of Elah and Surrounding Region

1Sa.21:9
And the priest said,
The sword of Goliath the Philistine,
whom thou slewest in the valley of Elah,
behold,
it is here wrapped in a cloth behind the ephod:
if thou wilt take that,
take it:
for there is no other save that here.
And David said,
There is none like that; give it me.

BTW the Romans were under the direction of God at the time the temple was taken down and a new lease-holder was given possession, do you get that ****ing part??

 

[Colpy]

I'm very foggy on this issue, but there seems to be a lot of evidence that indicates that while Israel has a right to defend itself, it cannot be by force.. I'm still trying to work out the logistics, but Chomsky's critique on Obama's stance is appropriate considering Israel actually does have peaceful means to defend itself.

YouTube - Chomsky on Obama on Israel & Palestine 23 Jan 2009 Part 1/3

YouTube - Chomsky on Obama on Israel & Palestine 23 Jan 2009 Part 2/3

YouTube - Chomsky on Obama on Israel & Palestine 23 Jan 2009 Part 3/3

Chomsky is an idiot and a hypocrite.

How does Israel defend itself without force???

ROTFLMAO!!!

Why would you prove the existence of that place when you are arguing that Palestine never existed. If conquest means possession and right to return exists the Palestine was the original name. If they want to claim it as their own via their relationship with God then lets examine the content of that perfectly preserved document and lets see if it was ownership or a lease agreement.
Bible Map: Valley of Elah and Surrounding Region

1Sa.21:9
And the priest said,
The sword of Goliath the Philistine,
whom thou slewest in the valley of Elah,
behold,
it is here wrapped in a cloth behind the ephod:
if thou wilt take that,
take it:
for there is no other save that here.
And David said,
There is none like that; give it me.

BTW the Romans were under the direction of God at the time the temple was taken down and a new lease-holder was given possession, do you get that ****ing part??

No I don't get that part, because it is completely idiotic.

It is insane.

It is nonsensical.

It is beyond comprehension.

It is beyond belief that you actually believe such CRAP!

Your religious delusions are Jew-hatred are offensive to anyone with a clue.....

.....and to God.

Do you get THAT?????

 

[MHz]

Myth or history? You be the judge. Historically the word Israel does not refer to a physical place but to a spiritual attainment/elevation. Goyim are the, as yet, unelevated.

.

The NT is for the Goyim, what we have here is a failure of the Jews to understand that part of the Holy Scripture, an ailment that is a hold over from when they got exiled. That they think they only got a 70 exile is proof they don't know anything about their own Holy Book. I would give you the verses (just say the word) but it would cause too many eye-bleeds in this place.

The NT is also the end of what the OT started, the path that the bruise to the heel took. a Jewish thing for the most part is in the 4 Gospels. The rest is how Satan gets his ass kicked (for the 3rd time) and Goyim are at the forefront when it comes to having surviving witnesses. 144,000 from the 12 Tribes and about 2,222,222,222 Christians, so really who has the greater importance. Ripping all the OT prophecies out of the OT is perfectably acceptable as they don't apply to the Jews. If a Jew belives in Jesus they are under Christian domain (for the most part), if not then they are Satan's Harlot (and that ain't good for them) You should be able to appreciate an author that can wite two novels in one book, front-to-back for one and back-to-front for the other one. This is either already evident to you or it is going to take a few uninterrupted pages, and that isn't possible here. So the short version, Revelation (reading it in our normal way) set the sequence of events that are still in our future. It leads all the the OT prophecies meaning they are no use to the Jews, that isn't a concept they willingly accept, about as well as telling a Muslim they actually belong to God because of the 7 Churches rather than the 'new and improved' church. The Heathen part of me would prefer to see it happen sooner rather than later just to see who is eating crow on that day (inside scoop, it will be crows doing the feasting on their carcases)

 

[CUBert]

Chomsky is of superior intelligence to you and is much more knowledgable on the subject of the Israel/Palestinian conflict.. Therefore, you shouldn't brush aside his opinions as irrelevant, because you're only hurting your chances of actually learning something and being stubbornly ignorant.

 

[YukonJack]

Chomsky is of superior intelligence to you and is much more knowledgable on the subject of the Israel/Palestinian conflict.. Therefore, you shouldn't brush aside his opinions as irrelevant, because you're only hurting your chances of actually learning something and being stubbornly ignorant.

Chomsky is a jerk, and you could do yourself a favour tuning in Glen Beck's Program. In spite of all the left-wing crap telling you otherwise, it is still on.

 

[CUBert]

Glenn Beck is a rambling idiot, Chomsky is a intellectual who actually knows what he is talking about..,, hmmm tough decision...

 

[MHz]

Your religious delusions are Jew-hatred are offensive to anyone with a clue.[/B]....
.....and to God.
Do you get THAT?????

Yeah I get THAT, LOL it means you don't have a ****ing clue as to where you are, let alone all the other things that go along with it. I hate them so much I pay to their God. Smart ass show the contract, otherwise L-I-A-R. !5 minute time limit too ****tard.

Da.9:26
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off,
but not for himself:
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
and the end thereof shall be with a flood,
and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Lu.21:20
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies,
then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Lu.21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword,
and shall be led away captive into all nations:
and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles,
until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

 

[ironsides]

Why would you prove the existence of that place when you are arguing that Palestine never existed. If conquest means possession and right to return exists the Palestine was the original name. If they want to claim it as their own via their relationship with God then lets examine the content of that perfectly preserved document and lets see if it was ownership or a lease agreement.
Bible Map: Valley of Elah and Surrounding Region

1Sa.21:9
And the priest said,
The sword of Goliath the Philistine,
whom thou slewest in the valley of Elah,
behold,
it is here wrapped in a cloth behind the ephod:
if thou wilt take that,
take it:
for there is no other save that here.
And David said,
There is none like that; give it me.

BTW the Romans were under the direction of God at the time the temple was taken down and a new lease-holder was given possession, do you get that ****ing part??

The Valley of Elah, "the valley of the oak or terebinth" [1] (Hebrew: עמק האלה‎ Emek HaElah) (Arabic Wadi es-Sunt), best known as the place described in the Bible where the Israelites were encamped when David fought Goliath (1 Sam. 17:2, 19). It was near Azekah and Socho (17:1). On the west side of the valley, near Socho, there is a very large and ancient tree of this kind, 55 feet in height, its trunk 17 feet in circumference, and the breadth of its shade no less than 75 feet. It marks the upper end of the valley, and forms a noted object, being one of the largest terebinths in the area.
The Valley of Elah has gained new importance as a point of support for the argument that Israel was more than a tribal chiefdom in the time of King David. At Khirbet Qeiyafa, southwest of Jerusalem in the Elah Valley, Prof. Yosef Garfinkel has discovered a fortified Judahite city from the Iron Age IIa dated sometime between 1050 and 915 BCE. The fortifications have been said to support the Biblical account of the United Monarchy at the beginning of Iron Age II.[2]

Glenn Beck is a rambling idiot, Chomsky is a intellectual who actually knows what he is talking about..,, hmmm tough decision...

Chomsky is a dog on Everybody Loves Raymond.