Family Slaughtered By Palestinians

petros

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Both you and EAO are wrong.

As for your jump to the Joos I ask what does religion have to doo with it?

I thought Israel was secular? No?
 

CDNBear

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Look at the date your quoting from, since then the blockade has eased quite a bit. Only thing they are not getting now is stuff you can convert to weapons.
That means nothing Iron.

Israel is starving the Gazans, causing malnutrition in biblical proportions.

So tight is the strangle hold, that Gaza id exporting food.

Both you and EAO are wrong.
About what?

As for your jump to the Joos I ask what does religion have to doo with it?
It's a common theme among those that have difficulty with reality and admitting that Gaza's malnutrition and starvation, isn't the result of Israel.

I thought Israel was secular? No?
As secular as it can be in that neck of the woods I guess.
 

petros

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One man thinks malutrition is starvation and the other thinks starvation is malnutrition.

Since I have to take Vit D3 I have malnutrition although I'm most definetly not starving.
 

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One man thinks malutrition is starvation and the other thinks starvation is malnutrition.
I think neither. I know starvation can lead to malnutrition, but so can a poor diet.

But again, not germane to the topic. Now you're nit picking, instead of admitting an error.

Go figure.

Since I have to take Vit D3 I have malnutrition although I'm most definetly not starving.
So whose fault is it that there is malnutrition in Canada?
 

petros

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Not part of what both you two are going off about? No not at all. Your absolutely right Bear everyone can live a prosperous healthy life on olives and strawberries.

Pound for pound how much food is smuggled in compared to exported?

How is the fishing off Gaza these days? Does Gaza still export fish?


So whose fault is it that there is malnutrition in Canada?
Considering we haven't been bombed lately, our biggest short comings can be blamed on the lack of sun and stupidity.

Perhaps there are many things we could learn from them?
 

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Guess it is irrevelent now what the Palestinians think about the slaughter. They fired on Israel again and Israel retaliated. All is as it should be balance is restored. :roll:



Palestinian militants in Gaza fired more than 50 rockets into Israel on Saturday, the heaviest barrage in two years, Israeli officials said, while Hamas police beat up reporters and confiscated their equipment.
A Hamas official was killed and four civilians were wounded when Israel hit back with tank fire and air strikes, said Gaza Health Ministry spokesman Adham Abu Salmia.

The violence comes amid increasing calls for reconciliation between Western-backed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and his bitter rivals, the Islamic militant group Hamas. Abbas is seeking U.N. recognition for a Palestinian state by the fall and is currently lobbying for votes worldwide. Hamas used force to disperse a reconciliation rally in Gaza. Some reporters were later beaten up, threatened and briefly detained.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110319/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians
 

petros

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Gaza food exports sponsored and aided by the Dutch Govt.

The project known as the Dutch Government Project also includes exports of 367 tons of strawberries from the Gaza Strip, about 5.3 million carnations, and 6 tons of peppers...
and soon cherry tomatos..oooOOOooo

So what are the Dutch shipping in, in return?
 

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Guess it is irrevelent now what the Palestinians think about the slaughter. They fired on Israel again and Israel retaliated. All is as it should be balance is restored. :roll:



Palestinian militants in Gaza fired more than 50 rockets into Israel on Saturday, the heaviest barrage in two years, Israeli officials said, while Hamas police beat up reporters and confiscated their equipment.
A Hamas official was killed and four civilians were wounded when Israel hit back with tank fire and air strikes, said Gaza Health Ministry spokesman Adham Abu Salmia.

The violence comes amid increasing calls for reconciliation between Western-backed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and his bitter rivals, the Islamic militant group Hamas. Abbas is seeking U.N. recognition for a Palestinian state by the fall and is currently lobbying for votes worldwide. Hamas used force to disperse a reconciliation rally in Gaza. Some reporters were later beaten up, threatened and briefly detained.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110319/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians



Let's reiterate this and make the font a lil bigger for those that have an obvious problem with perception.
 

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Today they kill an Israeli family in their own home. In a couple of weeks Israel will attack
and kill a thousand Palestinians in the streets. This is a path that continues year in and
year out, it is becoming a non news event.

A thousand? Holy crap, talk about inflating numbers.
 

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Both you and EAO are wrong.

As for your jump to the Joos I ask what does religion have to doo with it?

I thought Israel was secular? No?

I speak for myself. These idiots continuously attribute ridiculous crap to me, I've never written in a lame attempt to discredit me. Deliberate misrepresentation should be against forum rules.

I agree with most of what Petros has written over the last three pages. Good for you Petros for having a brain and the ability to think critically.

....Killing a family of five in their home while they sleep would easily fit the definition of war crime..

Would you also condemn this incident as a war crime or are you a hypocrite?

Amid dust and death, a family's story speaks for the terror of war

48 members of the Samouni family were killed in one day when Israel's battle with Hamas suddenly centred on their homes


Helmi Samouni knelt yesterday on the floor of the bedroom he once shared with his wife and their five-month old son, scraping his fingers through a thick layer of ash and broken glass looking for mementoes of their life together. "I found a ring. I might find more," he said.

His wife Maha and their child Muhammad were killed in the second week of Israel's 22-day war in Gaza when they were shelled by Israeli forces as they took shelter nearby along with dozens of relatives. In total 48 people from one family are now known to have died that Monday morning, 5 January, in Zeitoun, on the southern outskirts of Gaza City.

Of all the horrors visited on the civilians of Gaza in this war the fate of the Samounis, a family of farmers who lived close together in simple breeze-block homes, was perhaps the gravest.

Around a dozen homes in this small area were destroyed, no more than piles of rubble in the sand yesterday. Helmi Samouni's two-storey house was one of the few left standing, despite the gaping hole from a large tank shell that pierced his blackened bedroom wall. During the invasion it had been taken over by Israeli soldiers, who wrecked the furniture and set up sand-bagged shooting positions throughout.

They left behind their own unique detritus: bullet casings, roasted peanuts in tins with Hebrew script, a plastic bag containing a "High Quality Body Warmer", dozens of olive-green waste disposal bags, some empty, some stinking full - the troops' portable toilets.

But most disturbing of all was the graffiti they daubed on the walls of the ground floor. Some was in Hebrew, but much was naively written in English: "Arabs need 2 die", "Die you all", "Make war not peace", "1 is down, 999,999 to go", and scrawled on an image of a gravestone the words: "Arabs 1948-2009".

There were several sketches of the Star of David flag. "Gaza here we are," it said in English next to one.

Helmi's brother Salah, 30, had an apartment in the same house. He too was pulling out what he could, including an Israeli work permit once issued to his father. "They gave him a permit and then they came from Israel and they killed him," said Salah. In the attack he lost both his parents, Talal and Rahma, and his two-year-old daughter Aza.

During the war, Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza. But the accounts of Salah and his neighbours outside the rubble of their homes yesterday corroborate the accounts from witnesses given in the days after the attack, accounts which led the UN to describe the killings at Zeitoun as one of the gravest episodes of the war and the Red Cross to call it, in a rare public rebuke, "a shocking incident".

More than a dozen bodies were pulled from the rubble on Sunday, and one more yesterday, bringing the Samouni death toll to 48, according to Dr Mouawia Hassanein, head of Gaza's Emergency Medical Services. With more bodies being recovered each day, the death toll from Israel's three-week war now stands at 1,360. On the Israeli side, 13 were killed.

On the second Saturday of the war, after a week of Israeli air strikes, there came a wave of heavy artillery shelling which preceded the ground invasion of Gaza. That night, Salah Samouni took shelter on the ground floor with 16 others from his family. By the next morning, Sunday 4 January, more neighbours had come looking for shelter and the number now there was approaching 50.

"They fired a shell into the upstairs floor and it started a fire," said Salah. "We called the ambulance and the fire service, but no one was able to reach us." Soon a group of Israeli soldiers approached. "They came and banged on the door and told everyone to leave the house," he said. They walked a few metres down the dirt road and entered the large, single-storey home of Wa'el Samouni.

There they stayed for the rest of the day, now a group of around 100 men, women and children, with no food and little water. Though there may have been Palestinian fighters operating in the open fields around the houses, all the witnesses are adamant that those gathered in Wa'el Samouni's house were all civilians and all from the same extended family.

On the Monday morning, four of the men - Salah among them - decided to go out to bring back firewood for cooking. "They fired a shell straight at us," Salah said. Two of the four were killed instantly, the other two were injured. Salah was hit by shrapnel on his forehead, his back and his legs. Moments later, he said, two more shells struck the house, killing dozens of them.

Salah and a group of around 70 fled the house, shouting to the soldiers that there were women and children with them. They ran to the main road and on for a kilometre until ambulances could reach them. Others stayed behind.

Wa'el Samouni's father, Faris, 59, lived next door to the house where the crowd had taken shelter. He had a single-storey house with only a corrugated iron roof and so his family had moved next door to shelter, but he had stayed behind. He was unable to leave his building for fear of being shot, but on the Tuesday the survivors called to him to bring water. He ran quickly the short distance and joined them.

"Dead bodies were lying on the ground. Some people were injured, they were just trying to help each other," he said. There among the dead Faris found his wife Rizka, 50; his daughter-in-law Anan; and his granddaughter Huda, 16.

Only on the afternoon of the following day, the Wednesday, were the survivors rescued when the Red Cross arrived to carry them out to hospital.

The Israeli military has said it is investigating what happened at Zeitoun. It has repeatedly denied that its troops ordered the residents to gather in one house and said its troops do not intentionally target civilians.

Others in the family saw a different but equally grim fate. Faraj Samouni, 22, lived with his family next door to Helmi and Salah. Again on the Saturday evening the family had sought shelter from the heavy shelling, a group of 18 of them gathering in one room for the night. On the Sunday morning the Israeli soldiers approached. "They shouted for the owner of the house to come out. My father opened the door and went out and they shot him right there," said Faraj.

With the body of his father Atiya, 45, slumped on the ground outside, the soldiers fired more shots into the room, he said, this time killing Faraj's younger half-brother Ahmad, who was four years old, and the child's mother.

Yesterday there was blood on the wall of the small room where the child had been sitting.

Then the troops ordered them to lie on the floor. But when a fire started burning in the room next door, sending in acrid smoke, they began shouting to be allowed out. "We were shouting 'babies, children'," Faraj said.

Eventually the soldiers let them out and they ran along the street, passing the others who had gathered in Wa'el Samouni's house and making their way out on to the main road and to safety.

When Faraj returned, he found his home completely destroyed, a pile of twisted iron bars and concrete. On a small outdoor grill were the charred remains of the eight aubergines that the family had been cooking that Sunday morning for their breakfast.

Only on Sunday was he able to bury his father's body and even then there was a final injustice: Gaza's graves are now so crowded and concrete so scarce because of Israel's long blockade that he had to break open an older family grave and put his father in with the other corpse.

"How can we have peace when they are killing civilians, even children?" said Faraj. "I support the ceasefire now. We have no power. If there wasn't a ceasefire we couldn't even bury our dead."

Some Gazans speak privately of their anger at Hamas, blaming the Islamist movement that rules the small territory for dragging them into this conflict. But by far the larger majority are speaking now of their bitter anger at Israel and their deep resentment at the apathy of the Arab world and the rest of the international community, which failed to halt the destruction and the killing.

"We blame everyone," said Ibrahim Samouni, 45, who lost his wife and four of his sons in the killings at Zeitoun. "We need everyone to look at us and see what has happened here. We are not resistance fighters. We are ordinary people."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/20/gaza-israel-samouni-family

You are a hypocrite because you ignore obvious war crimes when the victims are Palestinians.
 

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The guardian is hardly a creditable news source. But I suppose it works to back up your onesided view of the world. Did it ever occur to you that if the terrorists stopped lobbing bombs and suicide bombers into Israel that there might just be a chance for peace. All Israel is doing is defending its self and showing amazing restraint at that.
 

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Did it ever occur to you that if the insurgents (corrected) stopped lobbing bombs and suicide bombers into Israel that there might just be a chance for peace. All Israel is doing is defending its self and showing amazing restraint at that.
Defending illegal settlements full of Russians who 20 years ago were your blood enemy? Forgive and forget?

Apparently Russia doesn't' like having Russian Jewish people who immigrated to what they thought would be Israel proper but were shafted by being used as human shields and used as media fodder when they receive retaliation for firing shots into Palestinian towns and villages each illegal settlement is twined with.

Has that ever occurred to you?

They war ends when Israel ceases it's illegal occupations and illegal settlements.

Why they **** does that befuddle so many of the people who post here?

With Russia backing and fully recognizing the State of Palestine things could either go haywire or Israel starts obeying the laws of the planet.

Unlike the US, Russia isn't broke and it's still armed to the teeth.

Definitely a game changer.
 
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CDNBear

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Not part of what both you two are going off about? No not at all.
I'm glad you understand that now.

Your absolutely right Bear everyone can live a prosperous healthy life on olives and strawberries.
You can remain willfully blind to the fact that they are producing far more then just those two crops. But the facts actually betray you.

Pound for pound how much food is smuggled in compared to exported?
Irrelevant.

How is the fishing off Gaza these days? Does Gaza still export fish?
Don't know.

Gaza food exports sponsored and aided by the Dutch Govt.

and soon cherry tomatos..oooOOOooo

So what are the Dutch shipping in, in return?
Money?

Considering we haven't been bombed lately, our biggest short comings can be blamed on the lack of sun and stupidity.
Why can't you just answer the question petros? To afraid it will force you to admit something you don't want?

Perhaps there are many things we could learn from them?
Who?

I speak for myself. These idiots continuously attribute ridiculous crap to me, I've never written in a lame attempt to discredit me.


Deliberate misrepresentation should be against forum rules.
I can prove every single thing I attribute to you EAO, hence why the Mods allow me to continue.

I agree with most of what Petros has written over the last three pages.
Of course you do, misdirection and willful blindness is your shtick.

Good for you Petros for having a brain and the ability to think critically.


Is that why neither of you can answer the question, why is there starvation and malnutrition in Gaza, when they are exporting food? Because you both have the ability to think critically and have a brain?



You are a hypocrite because you ignore obvious war crimes when the victims are Palestinians.
You're a hypocrite, because you believe any and all anecdotal story that paints the whole of Israel as bad. While everyone else gets the benefit of jurisprudence.
 
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Defending illegal settlements full of Russians who 20 years ago were your blood enemy? Forgive and forget?

Apparently Russia doesn't' like having Russian Jewish people who immigrated to what they thought would be Israel proper but were shafted by being used as human shields and used as media fodder when they receive retaliation for firing shots into Palestinian towns and villages each illegal settlement is twined with.

Has that ever occurred to you?

They war ends when Israel ceases it's illegal occupations and illegal settlements.

Why they **** does that befuddle so many of the people who post here?

With Russia backing and fully recognizing the State of Palestine things could either go haywire or Israel starts obeying the laws of the planet.

Unlike the US, Russia isn't broke and it's still armed to the teeth.

Definitely a game changer.

The Palestinians lost all right to that land when they did exactly what they are doing now (allowing rockets to be fired into Israel). Israel just pushed them back farther from their border and confiscated the land as a war prize to help compensate themselves. Why give it back only to retake it next week? By the way, who cares what the Russians think about this topic.
 

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You are a hypocrite because you ignore obvious war crimes when the victims are Palestinians.

lmfao, why so hostile? Do you not agree that killing a sleeping family by stabbing the chest and cutting the throat, including children as young as three months, is a war crime? Why would suggesting that you would consider that a war crime raise vitriol towards me?

No that I really care, just wondering.
 

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The guardian is hardly a creditable news source. But I suppose it works to back up your onesided view of the world. Did it ever occur to you that if the terrorists stopped lobbing bombs and suicide bombers into Israel that there might just be a chance for peace. All Israel is doing is defending its self and showing amazing restraint at that.

The Guardian is far more credible than 99% of American sources. But just to make it plain to anyone reading this string that you are a hypocrite, lets take a look at the credibility of some of the sources you didn't question:

The first post in this string:
liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com
written by Yonat Friling
She also wrote these articles:
Netanyahu to Obama: Let My Spy Go Liveshots (Defending a spy who stole American military secrets and sold them to Israel, who in turn sold them to China apparently... dig for it...)
Mossad wants YOU! Liveshots (recruiting on behalf of the Israeli spy agency)

Does she sound objective to you?

PANetwork is designed to give citizens a new level of networking resources to organize the Tea Party Movement/Conservative Movement.
Up Date: Family Slaughtered In Israel - Patriot Action Network
Advocating a single extreme right wing political movement is hardly objective

this site is part of a wider attempt to educate the civilised world out of its complacency regarding radical Islam and Jihad;
Palestinians Hand Out Sweets in Celebration of Massacre of Jewish Family -

Sound like an agenda to me.

I suggest you educate yourself about The Guardian's long history (est. 1791).
History of the Observer | GNM archive | guardian.co.uk

Your comment regarding The Guardian's objectiveness in the context of all the other crap you accept at face value makes you look like an hypocritical idiot.


When this ethnic cleansing war started back in 1947, most Palestinians were unarmed peasants. As a result most of of them were ethnically cleansed off land God apparently gave Jews (According to heavily armed Zionist Jews). If it was as simple as just waiting peacefully for freedom and justice, these people would have had both by the 70's. Instead, some Palestinians stopped waiting for the UN and the UNSC to uphold international law which gives refugees the right to return home and resorted to violence.

I suggest you start reading The Guardian for balance, as you obviously know little more about this conflict that what you've been told by pro-Israel propaganda sources.

Regarding the massacre:

Here is first hand testimony from a survivor:
YouTube - Gaza survivor of 48 members of family

Gaza bombing witnesses describe horror of Israeli strike
When the first accounts emerged this week of what the Israeli armed forces did to the extended Samouni clan in Gaza they were initially lost in an already crowded chorus of civilian suffering.

But as more survivors surfaced to give largely consistent testimony the horrific realisation emerged what happened to the Samouni family could constitute war crimes by Israel.

Israel is barring foreign journalists from Gaza so it is difficult to verify completely the survivors' accounts about an incident that left up to 70 civilians dead.

They contain allegations that Israeli forces shelled a building where they had previously put a large number of civilians, killed a child in cold blood, used human shields and failed to provide proper treatment to survivors.

Even though they were nearby, Israeli soldiers were found not to have taken action to help four children who spent 48 hours clinging to what the ambulance crew believed to be their mothers' corpses....
Gaza bombing witnesses describe horror of Israeli strike - Telegraph

Not only did the IDF herd about 80 civilians into a single home before shelling it, killing most of the occupants inside, they also blocked ambulances from evacuating the wounded for 4 days... according to the International Committee of the Red Cross/Crescent:

The ICRC had requested safe passage for ambulances to access this neighbourhood since 3 January but it only received permission to do so from the Israel Defense Forces during the afternoon of 7 January.

The ICRC/PRCS team found four small children next to their dead mothers in one of the houses. They were too weak to stand up on their own. One man was also found alive, too weak to stand up. In all there were at least 12 corpses lying on mattresses.

In another house, the ICRC/PRCS rescue team found 15 other survivors of this attack including several wounded. In yet another house, they found an additional three corpses. Israeli soldiers posted at a military position some 80 meters away from this house ordered the rescue team to leave the area which they refused to do. There were several other positions of the Israel Defense Forces nearby as well as two tanks.

" This is a shocking incident, " said Pierre Wettach, the ICRC's head of delegation for Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. " The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestine Red Crescent to assist the wounded. "
Gaza: ICRC demands urgent access to wounded as Israeli army fails to assist wounded Palestinians

This war crime and many others just like it were independently reported by Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch:

Israel: Soldiers? Punishment for Using Boy as ?Human Shield? Inadequate | Human Rights Watch

Israeli forces killed hundreds of unarmed Palestinian civilians and destroyed thousands of homes in Gaza in attacks which breached the laws of war, Amnesty International concluded in a new report published on Thursday. Operation 'Cast Lead': 22 days of death and destruction,...

...Some 300 children and hundreds of other unarmed civilians who took no part in the conflict were among the 1,400 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces....

...Amnesty International found that the victims of the attacks it investigated were not caught in the crossfire during battles between Palestinian militants and Israeli forces, nor were they shielding militants or other military objects. Many were killed when their homes were bombed while they slept. Others were sitting in their yard or hanging the laundry on the roof. Children were struck while playing in their bedrooms or on the roof, or near their homes. Paramedics and ambulances were repeatedly attacked while attempting to rescue the wounded or recover the dead.
Impunity for war crimes in Gaza and southern Israel a recipe for further civilian suffering | Amnesty International


Instead of condemning Israeli war crimes, you choose not to believe them and instead blame the victims.

Why don't you be honest for a change. We both know Israel isn't finished taking more land and property from these people. We both know Israel's leaders will commit as many war crimes as they have to to take the land God gave to Jews. You support Israeli war criminals and oppose Palestinian ones. I oppose the war criminals on both sides and support innocent people on both sides who just want to live in peace.

I condemn the murder of this Jewish family, even though they are beneficiaries of Israeli war crimes (ethnic cleansing and other laws which prohibit population transfers on conquered land). I hope the authorities solve these murders and punish those responible. I'm also glad that the IDF didn't block ambulances or shoot at the medics as they evacuated the dead and dying. I'm glad the survivors didn't have to wait four days for ambulances as children lay next to their mother's corpses dying of dehydration.

Its not hard to acknowledge human suffering. You just have to be human.
 
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