The Big Kingdom

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Jacob G. Hornberger

If you want to get a sense of why foreigners hate the U.S. Empire for its arrogance, elitism, and pomposity, just take a look at the following two editorials by the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. Yes, I know that these two newspapers are not owned and operated by the U.S. government but the mindset expressed by the editorial writers easily mirrors that of Empire officials. The two editorials address China and, specifically, the upcoming trip to Washington, D.C., by China’s president, Hu Jintao.

According to the Times, one of the reasons that Jintao is coming to the United States is to seek respect. The Times says that “what will earn China respect as a major power is if it behaves responsibly.” The thought is also expressed by the Journal: “A China that understands that to be treated as an equal it must behave like one is a country whose progress will not be obstructed.”

This is the idea: The world is ruled and presided over by a grand, glorious, and exceptional Big Kingdom, one that is committed to spreading freedom and democracy around the world, through force of arms if necessary — e.g., coups, assassinations, kidnapping, torture, invasions, embargoes, sanctions, foreign aid, and occupations.

All other kingdoms are small kingdoms that are subordinate to the Big Kingdom. When the kings who rule over the small kingdoms begin rising in prosperity and power, it is incumbent on them to travel to the Big Kingdom seeking respect and requesting permission to continue rising in stature and influence. The respect and permission will be granted only if the small kingdom acknowledges its subservience and obedience to the Big Kingdom.

Needless to say, the Big Kingdom can do no wrong. It’s only the small kingdoms that can do wrong, especially by operating independently of the Big Kingdom. That sort of conduct subjects the small kingdom to harsh treatment. If the small kingdom has a weak military, it will be disciplined with such things as coups, assassinations, sanctions, embargoes, invasions, occupations, kidnapping, and torture. If, on the other hand, the small kingdom has a strong military, the penalty will be the denial of respect to the small kingdom.

The Times says that President Obama needs to raise the issue of human rights with China. No doubt that China’s communist regime is one of the most tyrannical regimes on the planet. But what would the Times say if Jintao were to ask Obama about the kidnapping, torture, indefinite detentions, denial of due process, denial of trial by jury, and denial of speedy trial for prisoners at Gitmo, Bagram, and secret U.S. prisons around the world, including in former Soviet-bloc countries? What if he were to ask Obama about the U.S. military’s treatment of Afghans and Iraqis during the past 10 years of brutal military occupation? What if he were to ask why Obama refuses to extradite convicted CIA felons to Italy, where they have been convicted of kidnaping and conspiracy to torture? What if Jintao were to ask Obama why he refuses to extradite CIA operative Jose Posada Carriles to Venezuela to face charges relating to the terrorist bombing of a Cuban airliner?

I’ll tell you how the Times and Journal would respond. They’d both go ballistic, screaming that no small kingdom within the realm has the right to speak to the Big Kingdom in such a manner. They both would say, “Punish China for such disrespectful and insubordinate conduct. Deny China the respect it seeks.”

According the Times, “Mr. Obama has made clear that he won’t stand by while China tries to bully its neighbors.”

While on the subject of bullying neighbors, did the Times mention the 50-year-old U.S. embargo against Cuba? Well, of course not.

You see, that’s not bullying. That’s punishing the people of a small kingdom whose ruler does not show sufficient deference to the Big Kingdom. Thus, when Fidel Castro refused to kneel before the officials of the Big Kingdom and kiss their rings, he was denied respect and his country was placed under a cruel and brutal embargo — unlike, say, communist Vietnam or communist China, which are not suffering embargoes and whose rulers apparently have shown the necessary deference to the Big Kingdom.

Or consider what happened to the small kingdom of Yemen, when it went independent on the eve of the Iraq War by declining to vote to authorize President Bush’s war on the small kingdom of Iraq arising from the insubordinate actions of Saddam Hussein, who previously had been in the good graces of the Big Kingdom. As a result of its insubordination, Yemen lost $70 million in foreign aid from the Big Kingdom. As the U.S. ambassador to Yemen told Yemeni officials at the time, “That will be the most expensive vote you would ever cast.”

Hey, that’s not bullying! That’s simply disciplining small kingdoms who fail to do what they’re told.

The Times also takes China to task for “its recent challenge to American naval supremacy in the western Pacific.” Did you catch that? Not “in the Gulf of Mexico” and not “in waters near the U.S. coastlines.” Since the job of the Big Kingdom is to monitor, supervise, and police the world, all of the small kingdoms are expected to maintain a limited and deferential military buildup in their respective areas. If the subordinate kingdoms begin building up their militaries without permission of the Big Kingdom, that is a sure sign that they are getting uppity, assertive, and aggressive and, therefore, need to be put in their place, perhaps even by denying them respect.

Of course, all this insubordination on the part of China means that that the budget for the Pentagon and the CIA must continue to soar forever. What better excuse for ever-increasing military budgets than insubordination by the small kingdoms within the realm?

No wonder foreigners despise the U.S. Empire. No wonder our American ancestors despised the British Empire and instituted a republic rather than an empire. As people in different parts of the world begin challenging the authoritarian regimes under which they have been born and raised, it’s time for modern-day Americans to begin challenging the paradigm of empire and militarism under we have been born and raised in favor of restoring a limited-government, constitutional republic to our land.
 

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I don't mind stupid people,but the ones that insist on being stupid are hard to take.Anybody that hasn't spent their life in the dark knows that what JBeee says is spot on,and is likely the tip of a slimy iceberg.
 

JBeee

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Problem with most of the good folk on here is they were suckered in to believing what they were told and now too embarrassed to admit they were duped. Yes they may have pulled thier heads out of thier ass-holes, its just a matter of cleaning the caked-on feces from thier eyes to see the light.
 

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Jacob G. Hornberger

If you want to get a sense of why foreigners hate the U.S. Empire for its arrogance, elitism, and pomposity, just take a look at the following two editorials by the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. Yes, I know that these two newspapers are not owned and operated by the U.S. government but the mindset expressed by the editorial writers easily mirrors that of Empire officials. The two editorials address China and, specifically, the upcoming trip to Washington, D.C., by China’s president, Hu Jintao.

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Opening posts longer than two paragraphs just put me right off, so I'll respond to what I retained. Arrogance, elitism and pomposity is everywhere, if you think the U.S. is bad, take a gander at Germany and South Africa and every other country in between. :smile:
 

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I'm the only American who still cares what non-Americans think of us. So I accept full responsibility for everything America has ever done wrong. The problem is that even I am starting to grow detached.
 

JBeee

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"............erything America has ever done wrong. The problem is that even I am starting to grow detached"...

You and more than half the American population, I`d hazzard.
 

CUBert

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Full Text of Human Rights Record of the United States in 2009


China reports on human rights violations in the United States

This is really epic and obliterating to any idiot who thinks the yanks are any better than the chinese in regards to human rights violations.


II. On Civil and Political Rights
In the United States, civil and political rights of citizens are severely restricted and violated by the government.
The country's police frequently impose violence on the people. Chicago Defender reported on July 8, 2009 that a total of 315 police officers in New York were subject to internal supervision due to unrestrained use of violence during law enforcement. The figure was only 210 in 2007. Over the past two years, the number of New York police officers under review for garnering too many complaints was up 50 percent (Chicago Defender). According to a New York Police Department firearms discharge report released on Nov. 17, 2009, the city' s police fired 588 bullets in 2007, killing 10 people, and 354 bullets in 2008, killing 13 people (Gothamist: New York City News, Food, Arts & Events, November 17, 2009).


Chaotic management of prisons in the United State also led to wide spread of diseases among the inmates. According to a report from the U.S. Justice Department, a total of 20,231 male inmates and 1,913 female inmates had been confirmed as HIV carriers in the U.S. federal and state prisons at yearend 2008. The percentage of male and female inmates with HIV/AIDS amounted to 1.5 and 1.9 percent respectively


III. On Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
Poverty, unemployment and the homeless are serious problems in the United States, where workers' economic, social and cultural rights cannot be guaranteed.


The population in poverty was the largest in 11 years. The Washington Post reported on September 10, 2009, that altogether 39.8 million Americans were living in poverty by the end of 2008, an increase of 2.6 million from that in 2007. The poverty rate in 2008 was 13.2 percent, the highest since 1998. The number of people aged between 18 to 64 living in poverty in 2008 had risen to 22.1 million, 170,000 more than in 2007. Up to 8.1 million families were under poverty, accounting for 10.3 percent of the total families (The Washington Post, September 11, 2009).


The population in hunger was the highest in 14 years. The U.S. Department of Agriculture reported on Nov. 16, 2009, that 49.1 million Americans living in 17 million households, or 14.6 percent of all American families, lacked consistent access to adequate food in 2008, up 31 percent from the 13 million households, or 11.1 percent of all American families, that lacked stable and adequate supply of food in 2007, which was the highest since the government began tracking "food insecurity" in 1995 (The New York Times, November 17, 2009; 14.6% of Americans Could Not Afford Enough Food in 2008, Business news and analysis on The Atlantic).
 

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I'm the only American who still cares what non-Americans think of us. So I accept full responsibility for everything America has ever done wrong. The problem is that even I am starting to grow detached.

See how far that gets you. See how far that got Obama.

Nothing changes dude. Do you think Red Sox fans are going to suddenly like the New York Yankees?

The population in hunger was the highest in 14 years. The U.S. Department of Agriculture reported on Nov. 16, 2009, that 49.1 million Americans living in 17 million households, or 14.6 percent of all American families, lacked consistent access to adequate food in 2008, up 31 percent from the 13 million households, or 11.1 percent of all American families, that lacked stable and adequate supply of food in 2007, which was the highest since the government began tracking "food insecurity" in 1995 (The New York Times, November 17, 2009; 14.6% of Americans Could Not Afford Enough Food in 2008, Business news and analysis on The Atlantic).


lol. We are the fattest nation on earth! Our poor and impovershed are just as fat as anyone else. I'd say they are even fatter. I was watching NFL players volunteer by giving poor families turkeys before Thanksgiving. Just about every person was 200 lbs or bigger.

Have you ever seen a Food Stamp Line in the US?

Have you ever seen a Welfare Line?

If you ever do you will see the definition of Morbidly Obese.

Check out this graph on Obesity to income in the US




Believe me... there is a "stable and adequate supply of food" contrary to what the Chinese say.
 

CUBert

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Being huge piles of redundant protoplasm doesn't mean they aren't impoverished. And it certainly doesn't dispute of the statistics in the report.
 

BaalsTears

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Full Text of Human Rights Record of the United States in 2009


China reports on human rights violations in the United States

This is really epic and obliterating to any idiot who thinks the yanks are any better than the chinese in regards to human rights violations.


II. On Civil and Political Rights
In the United States, civil and political rights of citizens are severely restricted and violated by the government.
The country's police frequently impose violence on the people. Chicago Defender reported on July 8, 2009 that a total of 315 police officers in New York were subject to internal supervision due to unrestrained use of violence during law enforcement. The figure was only 210 in 2007. Over the past two years, the number of New York police officers under review for garnering too many complaints was up 50 percent (Chicago Defender). According to a New York Police Department firearms discharge report released on Nov. 17, 2009, the city' s police fired 588 bullets in 2007, killing 10 people, and 354 bullets in 2008, killing 13 people (Gothamist: New York City News, Food, Arts & Events, November 17, 2009).


Chaotic management of prisons in the United State also led to wide spread of diseases among the inmates. According to a report from the U.S. Justice Department, a total of 20,231 male inmates and 1,913 female inmates had been confirmed as HIV carriers in the U.S. federal and state prisons at yearend 2008. The percentage of male and female inmates with HIV/AIDS amounted to 1.5 and 1.9 percent respectively


III. On Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
Poverty, unemployment and the homeless are serious problems in the United States, where workers' economic, social and cultural rights cannot be guaranteed.


The population in poverty was the largest in 11 years. The Washington Post reported on September 10, 2009, that altogether 39.8 million Americans were living in poverty by the end of 2008, an increase of 2.6 million from that in 2007. The poverty rate in 2008 was 13.2 percent, the highest since 1998. The number of people aged between 18 to 64 living in poverty in 2008 had risen to 22.1 million, 170,000 more than in 2007. Up to 8.1 million families were under poverty, accounting for 10.3 percent of the total families (The Washington Post, September 11, 2009).


The population in hunger was the highest in 14 years. The U.S. Department of Agriculture reported on Nov. 16, 2009, that 49.1 million Americans living in 17 million households, or 14.6 percent of all American families, lacked consistent access to adequate food in 2008, up 31 percent from the 13 million households, or 11.1 percent of all American families, that lacked stable and adequate supply of food in 2007, which was the highest since the government began tracking "food insecurity" in 1995 (The New York Times, November 17, 2009; 14.6% of Americans Could Not Afford Enough Food in 2008, Business news and analysis on The Atlantic).


Why do you hold up a document produced by the Chinese Communist Party for political purposes as the source for the proposition you assert? The Chinese Communist Party is a Leninist Party. Not something you would want running Canada is it?
 

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Full Text of Human Rights Record of the United States in 2009


China reports on human rights violations in the United States

This is really epic and obliterating to any idiot who thinks the yanks are any better than the chinese in regards to human rights violations.


II. On Civil and Political Rights
In the United States, civil and political rights of citizens are severely restricted and violated by the government.
The country's police frequently impose violence on the people. Chicago Defender reported on July 8, 2009 that a total of 315 police officers in New York were subject to internal supervision due to unrestrained use of violence during law enforcement. The figure was only 210 in 2007. Over the past two years, the number of New York police officers under review for garnering too many complaints was up 50 percent (Chicago Defender). According to a New York Police Department firearms discharge report released on Nov. 17, 2009, the city' s police fired 588 bullets in 2007, killing 10 people, and 354 bullets in 2008, killing 13 people (Gothamist: New York City News, Food, Arts & Events, November 17, 2009).


Chaotic management of prisons in the United State also led to wide spread of diseases among the inmates. According to a report from the U.S. Justice Department, a total of 20,231 male inmates and 1,913 female inmates had been confirmed as HIV carriers in the U.S. federal and state prisons at yearend 2008. The percentage of male and female inmates with HIV/AIDS amounted to 1.5 and 1.9 percent respectively


III. On Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
Poverty, unemployment and the homeless are serious problems in the United States, where workers' economic, social and cultural rights cannot be guaranteed.


The population in poverty was the largest in 11 years. The Washington Post reported on September 10, 2009, that altogether 39.8 million Americans were living in poverty by the end of 2008, an increase of 2.6 million from that in 2007. The poverty rate in 2008 was 13.2 percent, the highest since 1998. The number of people aged between 18 to 64 living in poverty in 2008 had risen to 22.1 million, 170,000 more than in 2007. Up to 8.1 million families were under poverty, accounting for 10.3 percent of the total families (The Washington Post, September 11, 2009).


The population in hunger was the highest in 14 years. The U.S. Department of Agriculture reported on Nov. 16, 2009, that 49.1 million Americans living in 17 million households, or 14.6 percent of all American families, lacked consistent access to adequate food in 2008, up 31 percent from the 13 million households, or 11.1 percent of all American families, that lacked stable and adequate supply of food in 2007, which was the highest since the government began tracking "food insecurity" in 1995 (The New York Times, November 17, 2009; 14.6% of Americans Could Not Afford Enough Food in 2008, Business news and analysis on The Atlantic).

China is one of the woirst Human Rights offenders on earth, and the supporter of the other 4 or five in the top spots for being murdering bastards.

The United States is in the top 20% of nations when judged on human rights.

China should be dealing with the log in it's own eye before speaking out on the mote in the eye of the USA.

Do you expect to be taken seriously?

This is a very poor joke.
 

CUBert

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No, unfortunately it's not a joke. And more worrisome is that it's an accurate depiction of the joke we call "democracy" . Is democracy having a choice between which rich ass hole we can vote for? Sounds like an oligarch.
I am in no way saying China doesn't have it's own problems, but America shouldn't be speaking on China's human rights violations because it's blatantly obvious they're no better.
 

BaalsTears

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No, unfortunately it's not a joke. And more worrisome is that it's an accurate depiction of the joke we call "democracy" . Is democracy having a choice between which rich ass hole we can vote for? Sounds like an oligarch.
I am in no way saying China doesn't have it's own problems, but America shouldn't be speaking on China's human rights violations because it's blatantly obvious they're no better.

I'm an old guy. My wife is from the People's Republic of China. Her father was a member of the Chinese Communist Party. That is until the Cultural Revolution. He was on the wrong side in 1967. The whole family was arrested. You want to know what happened to them?