Criticism of Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity is not Anti-Semitism

[petros]

Do you have a library card? It was on a documentary the wife found at the RPL. I'll ask her for the title.

Defamation - The Film

Synopsis
What is anti-Semitism today, two generations after the Holocaust? In his continuing exploration of modern Israeli life, director Yoav Shamir (Checkpoint, 5 Days, Flipping Out) travels the world in search of the most modern manifestations of the “oldest hatred", and comes up with some startling answers.
In this irreverent quest, he follows American Jewish leaders to the capitals of Europe, as they warn government officials of the growing threat of anti-Semitism, and he tacks on to a class of Israeli high school students on a pilgrimage to Auschwitz.

On his way, Shamir meets controversial historian, Norman Finkelstein, who offers his unpopular views on the manner that anti-Semitism is being used by the Jewish community and especially Israel for political gain. He also joins scholars, Stephen M. Walt and John J. Mearsheimer, while they give a lecture in Israel following the release of their book “The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy”, about the un-proportional influence the Israel lobby in Washington enjoys. Yoav visits Yad Vashem, the Holocaust memorial museum in Jerusalem, the must stop for all world leaders on their visits to Israel. While in Jerusalem, he drops by the house of his grandmother that offers her insight on the issue and declares that she is the “real Jew”.

The film questions our perceptions and terminology when an event proclaimed by some as anti-Semitic is described by others as legitimate criticism of Israel’s government policies. The film walks along the boundary between anti-Zionism, rejecting the notion of a Jewish State, and anti-Semitism, rejecting Jews. Is the former being used to excuse the latter? And is there a difference between today’s anti-Semitism and plain old racism that is affecting all minorities?

Opinions often differ and tempers sometimes flare, but in Defamation we find that one thing is certain - only by understanding their response to anti-Semitism can we really appreciate how Jews today, and especially modern Israelis, respond to the world around them, in New York and in Moscow, in Gaza and Tel Aviv

 

[CDNBear]

Thanx

 

[petros]

YouTube - Defamation - A Yoav Shamir Film

 

[CDNBear]

YouTube - Defamation - A Yoav Shamir Film

"Live in the present and look to the future"

Words to live by.

 

[gopher]

''Still the wrong thread moron. You can say all the childish crap you want about me, but at the end of the day, you still aren't on topic and you're still in the wrong thread.''

While since that comes from the lilting voice of the effete swellhead who thinks she controls the board, I guess I must have been wrong.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Critizing Israelisokay. Every nation has to account for its current actions.

 

[Bar Sinister]

I actually agree with what you are saying. Where do you stand on Canadian Human Rights Tribunals?

I suppose that depends on how they are used. Could you elaborate?

 

[CDNBear]

I see EAO hasn't taken the challenge.

Typical.

Isn't it funny, that all the challenges EAO has put out there have been met, but whenever EAO is presented with a challenge, the silence is deafening.

I guess I must have been wrong.

Admitting it, is a step in the right direction.

Good work.

Now if you would be so kind as to take a remedial reading and comprehension class. Maybe you could keep up with the adults.

 

[mentalfloss]

Critizing Israelisokay. Every nation has to account for its current actions.

That's pretty much what I thought the gist of the thread was. Seems to have strayed into what they are actually accountable for with the craziest actually believing the state has never committed any war crimes at all.
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A UN fact finding mission published in September 15, 2009 claimed that war crimes may have been committed by both sides during the in the Gaza War.[155]

The report accuses the Israeli Defense Forces of "disproportionate force and the causing of great damage and destruction to civilian property and infrastructure, and suffering to civilian populations". The report concluded:

On the basis of the facts we found, that there was strong evidence to establish that numerous serious violations of international law, both humanitarian law and human rights law, were committed by Israel during the military operations in Gaza”.[155]
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Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch criticized the IDF for its use of white phosphorus in densely populated areas of Gaza.[156][157] A spokesperson for Israeli army defended the use of white phosphorus, saying the weapon was used to create a smoke screen to make it harder for Hamas militants to see IDF soldiers and protect wounded soldiers as they were being extracted from the battlefield. The use of white phosphorus is not banned under international law, but international human rights groups have argued that its use in populated areas should be considered criminal.[158][159]


List of war crimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I haven't tackled the exact legitimacy of this UN claim so I'm just stating it as is for anyone who is skeptical of that to make their own claim. Though I highly doubt that anyone honestly believes Israel hasn't slipped up in it's three millennial existence.

From what I understand, this is the same script that EAO's argument stems from. If there is more to it that goes into the realm of 'joo hater' or whatever then I wouldn't endorse that so please spare my soul if I'm missing some patently hurtful comment he has made.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Israel gets so much noisy support from religious fanatics in the USA that it is able to sidestep criticism. For that matter in Canada too, any criticism of Israel is automatically labeled anti-semitism, which it is not. It is like the so-called Mideast "peace process," another emperor with no clothes. But no one says anything.

 

[YukonJack]

Israel gets so much noisy support from religious fanatics in the USA that it is able to sidestep criticism. For that matter in Canada too, any criticism of Israel is automatically labeled anti-semitism, which it is not. It is like the so-called Mideast "peace process," another emperor with no clothes. But no one says anything.

Don't feel bad, every criticism of Obama's policies is automatically labelled as RACIST.

Is there any difference?

 

[gopher]

''Admitting it, is a step in the right direction.
Good work.
Now if you would be so kind as to take a remedial reading and comprehension class. Maybe you could keep up with the adults.

You missed my sarcasm, genius.



''Don't feel bad, every criticism of Obama's policies is automatically labelled as RACIST.
Is there any difference?''

Every criticism of Bush was automatically labelled as treason. Remember?

 

[CDNBear]

That's pretty much what I thought the gist of the thread was.

No, the gist of the thread was about EAO trying to make himself out to be merely a critic of Israel.

EAO has been exposed as a fraud, several times. His own words being the weapons of his demise.

Seems to have strayed into what they are actually accountable for with the craziest actually believing the state has never committed any war crimes at all.

Not that they have been found guilty of, let alone brought to any judicial body to be held to account for.

But don't let the fact that jurisprudence has not been applied, affect your beliefs.

A UN fact finding mission published in September 15, 2009 claimed that war crimes may have been committed by both sides during the in the

Key words are very important.

The report accuses the Israeli Defense Forces of "disproportionate force and the causing of great damage and destruction to civilian property and infrastructure, and suffering to civilian populations".

What is "disproportionate force"?

Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch criticized the IDF for its use of white phosphorus in densely populated areas of Gaza.[156][157] A spokesperson for Israeli army defended the use of white phosphorus, saying the weapon was used to create a smoke screen to make it harder for Hamas militants to see IDF soldiers and protect wounded soldiers as they were being extracted from the battlefield. The use of white phosphorus is not banned under international law, but international human rights groups have argued that its use in populated areas should be considered criminal.[158][159]

Oh, those guys and their idea's on appropriate force and what a war crime is. I've proven to EAO numerous times, these two groups have re-interpreted and rewritten what a war crime is, as influenced by the fact that they list war as a crime.

Go figure.

List of war crimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If that were objective, it would read, List of alleged war crimes. Jurisprudence only matters when one of the lefts darlings are in trouble with the law.

Though I highly doubt that anyone honestly believes Israel hasn't slipped up in it's three millennial existence.

Now we're on the same page.

From what I understand, this is the same script that EAO's argument stems from. If there is more to it that goes into the realm of 'joo hater' or whatever then I wouldn't endorse that so please spare my soul if I'm missing some patently hurtful comment he has made.

You see, you're looking for the smoking gun. There isn't one. You have to watch and witness the delusional steps EAO will take to ignore fact that he can't refute, evidence that proves him wrong and history that doesn't support his beliefs.

You see, that's waht makes people like him so insidious. They fly under the radar. I took flack from many of EAO's new detractors for being so hard on EAO years ago, when I first saw him for what he is. Colpy and Goober jumped on me for it. Now look at how they view EAO. I was just ahead of the pack.

If you need an overtly anti semitic remark to make the case, you won't get one. But then I have to ask, why do you need such a high standard to see what EAO truly is, while your bar is set so much lower for Israel?

You missed my sarcasm, genius.

You missed the right thread, the topic, the point and the boat. But don't let that stop you from posting stupidity.

 

[Skatchie]

Honestly, the Israeli record is appalling and Jews should be ashamed of it whether they supported it or not, and when they fail to be humane and tolerate the pathetic ways their religious nation state behaves they are doing the world an injustice. It's not enough to just say that Israel is acting as a nation and not as the Jewish people because we all know that's BS.

 

[taxslave]

When you bring out alleged Israeli war crimes and say nothing about the continuous assaults on Israel by its neighboring muslim terrorist controlled neighbors then yes it is anti-Semitism. You know the ones whose leaders scream DEATH TO ISREAL ,send suicide bombers into schools and busses and lob bombs into Israeli subdivisions on a daily basis. Where is the criticism of these religious fanatics that are the only reason Israel is an armed camp?

 

[Skatchie]

When you bring out alleged Israeli war crimes and say nothing about the continuous assaults on Israel by its neighboring muslim terrorist controlled neighbors then yes it is anti-Semitism. You know the ones whose leaders scream DEATH TO ISREAL ,send suicide bombers into schools and busses and lob bombs into Israeli subdivisions on a daily basis. Where is the criticism of these religious fanatics that are the only reason Israel is an armed camp?

They're not alleged. You can't build settlements on occupied land, period.

 

[YukonJack]

They're not alleged. You can't build settlements on occupied land, period.

Not occupied land, CONQUERED land.

All through history people defeated other people and conquered their land.

If you don't agree with that, perhaps you would be willing to vacate the 'occupied' land of North America and give it back to the Indians.

 

[lone wolf]

I have to wonder why those very same Muddled East Arabs who utter: "death to Israel" didn't eliminate native people of Jewish persuasion before it became a post WW2 warzone

 

[Cliffy]

Not occupied land, CONQUERED land.

All through history people defeated other people and conquered their land.

If you don't agree with that, perhaps you would be willing to vacate the 'occupied' land of North America and give it back to the Indians.

Now, that is a brilliant idea.

 

[Colpy]

Honestly, the Israeli record is appalling and Jews should be ashamed of it whether they supported it or not, and when they fail to be humane and tolerate the pathetic ways their religious nation state behaves they are doing the world an injustice. It's not enough to just say that Israel is acting as a nation and not as the Jewish people because we all know that's BS.

So, even ignoring your claim that the Israeli record is "appalling".....I need to ask.......why in the world would you say "Jews should be ashamed of it whether they supported it or not" ??????

If Israel and the Jews are one, then indeed criticizing Israel is anti-Jew.

And why pick out Israel?

They have a much better record on Human Rights than Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, ...........or Iran. Or Saudi Arabia, or Lebanon, or the UAE......it has BY FAR the best record on Human Rights of any of the established political entities in the region.......all of which are Israel's enemies..........

Country Ranking Table 2007

So why pick out Israel?

So....we have established that you consider Israel and the Jews as one.

We have also established that your anger at Israel (Jews) is completely disproportionate to their record on Human Rights relative to that of their enemies that surround them.

So....is criticism of Israel's Human Rights record anti-Semitism??? (I mean anti-Jew, or Jew hatred)

In your case, obviously, YES!

When taken in context, it can be nothing else.

Unfortunately, you are not alone.