Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes

Iran should have Nuke Weapons


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petros

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Bombing a nuclear powerplant would be far worse than what happened in Pripyat. The US and Heebs would be liable for all the people who had to needlessly suffer clear across Asia.

What kind of a retards came up with such an idea or would cheer it on?
 

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There is no indication from that article - other than the Dark Tower imagery and an unqualified statement - that Iran has any motive or even the means to take on the U.S. or France or whatever western state....

Iran supports proxy wars against the US/Israel in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon and elsewhere. Iran, Syria and their allies in Lebanon, Saudi Arabia... are the principle sources of "homemade" rockets and "improvised' explosive devices.

LAGOS, Nigeria, Nov. 5 (UPI) -- There are growing indications that a large shipment of weapons, including 107mm rockets, seized in Nigeria last month had originated in Iran, possibly destined for Palestinian militants in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip....

Iran seen behind arms seized in Nigeria - UPI.com
Iran 'behind attacks on British'


There have been violent anti-British protests in Basra

Britain has accused Iran of responsibility for explosions which have caused the deaths of all eight UK soldiers killed in Iraq this year.
A senior British official, briefing correspondents in London, blamed Iranian Revolutionary Guards.
He said they had provided technology to a Shia group in southern Iraq, although the Iranians had denied this, he added...


...The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the technology had come from Hezbollah in Lebanon via Iran and produced an "explosively shaped projectile"...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4312516.stm


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I'd like to see this activity stop, just like I'd like to see the "Made in USA" White Phosphorous shells stop dropping on downtown Gaza.

Bombs and bullets only leads to more bombs and bullets. Lying about it won't likely lead to peace either.

The entire article hinges on the expertise of an Israeli Defence head - and it's no surprise. If Iran is to make some sort of move it's not because they are a direct threat to the U.S. It's because they will eventually pull in the U.S. by attacking Israel. And Israel should have no problem taking them on - in fact, they could have taken care of them and Palestine a looooong long time ago. They're just waiting to get the U.S. to help them go in and run over their comparatively powerless state.

This is possibly a holy war where christians and jews are getting together to snuff out muslims. And all they need to do is make these muslim nations look like they are some sort of legitimate threat when the reality is that they're pitifully primitive compared to us.

The fact that Iran could have the balls to even launch a nuke on anyone would result in their quick and decisive annihilation. It's not even a contest. Same goes for Pakistan or Korea. We have the power to murder these nations in the blink of an eye just like we destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

There is no real threat to the U.S.

Iran is a threat. At the moment they aren't a nuclear one, but that could change. Iran has reached the line (limits allowed as per the NPT) and could cross it. Iran's Mullahs and political leaders claim they are only interested in peaceful nuclear energy. I believe they wanted nuclear breakout capability and they've achieved it. I doubt Iran will cross the line unless pushed. Until then, I believe Iran will wait, grow its strength and influence, fight proxy wars and wait for the US to decline. The US led Iraq invasion was a blunder which played into their hand.

If the US or Israel nuke Iran (even mini-nukes), Iran will cross the threshold. If the US or Israel use conventional weapons, Iran will use conventional weapons right back.

Maybe its time the US and Israel change strategy and started observing international laws and treaties. I favor pragmatic diplomatic solutions over violence and international lawlessness.
 

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Iran supports proxy wars against the US/Israel in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon and elsewhere. Iran, Syria and their allies in Lebanon, Saudi Arabia... are the principle sources of "homemade" rockets and "improvised' explosive devices.




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I'd like to see this activity stop, just like I'd like to see the "Made in USA" White Phosphorous shells stop dropping on downtown Gaza.

Bombs and bullets only leads to more bombs and bullets. Lying about it won't likely lead to peace either.



Iran is a threat. At the moment they aren't a nuclear one, but that could change. Iran has reached the line (limits allowed as per the NPT) and could cross it. Iran's Mullahs and political leaders claim they are only interested in peaceful nuclear energy. I believe they wanted nuclear breakout capability and they've achieved it. I doubt Iran will cross the line unless pushed. Until then, I believe Iran will wait, grow its strength and influence, fight proxy wars and wait for the US to decline. The US led Iraq invasion was a blunder which played into their hand.

If the US or Israel nuke Iran (even mini-nukes), Iran will cross the threshold. If the US or Israel use conventional weapons, Iran will use conventional weapons right back.

Maybe its time the US and Israel change strategy and started observing international laws and treaties. I favor pragmatic diplomatic solutions over violence and international lawlessness.

Ohhhh....you mean how the Iranians are obeying international law by arming Hamas, and using Hezbollah to murder Jews as far away as Argentina?

WHEN EXACTLY DID ISRAEL ATTACK IRAN??????
You don't have a bloody clue, Iran has been using conventional weapons against Israel for decades, delivered by its proxies in Hamas and Hezbollah.
 

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WHEN EXACTLY DID ISRAEL ATTACK IRAN??????
You don't have a bloody clue, Iran has been using conventional weapons against Israel for decades, delivered by its proxies in Hamas and Hezbollah.
By those standards Iran has been attacked by their proxy the US since the coup in 1953.
 

petros

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Ohhhh....you mean how the Iranians are obeying international law by arming Hamas, and using Hezbollah to murder Jews as far away as Argentina?

WHEN EXACTLY DID ISRAEL ATTACK IRAN??????
You don't have a bloody clue, Iran has been using conventional weapons against Israel for decades, delivered by its proxies in Hamas and Hezbollah.
Pfffffffffffffb. is your brain fried from all the cocaine imported to the US and Canada by CIA and sold to US and Canadian citizens to buy weapons from Israel for Iran to kill Iraqis who used American sold gas and other nasty chemical and conventional weapons on the Iranians and Kurds?


How many Americans have have died or had their lives destroyed by Jew cocaine?

Are you one Colpy? Do you like your rocks are are you powder guy?

How do you sleep at night? Oh **** right you can't when you are wired on blow.
 

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Ohhhh....you mean how the Iranians are obeying international law by arming Hamas, and using Hezbollah to murder Jews as far away as Argentina?

WHEN EXACTLY DID ISRAEL ATTACK IRAN??????
You don't have a bloody clue, Iran has been using conventional weapons against Israel for decades, delivered by its proxies in Hamas and Hezbollah.

Which international laws would Iran violate if they arm Hamas and Hezbollah? I see that as no different from the US arming Israel or the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan.

I'm against international assassinations in general, but I'm especially against them when the assassins try to pass themselves off as Canadians:
...In September 1997, Mossad agents were apprehended by Jordanian authorities after attempting to assassinate Khaled Mashal, a senior Hamas member. They were found to have used Canadian passports as part of the assassination attempt. This was the second such incident and the Israelis have promised to not fraudulently use Canadian passports again. Canada recalled its Ambassador to Israel in protest over the usage of Canadian passports in the attempt. (Israel's secret service fraudulently used passports issued by other other nations as well in other cases)
Canada?Israel relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perhaps you'd like to comment on Israel's self-ordained right to assassinate anyone anywhere?

In January, a senior leader of the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas was visiting Dubai on an unpublicized visit without his bodyguards. Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was found suffocated at the five-star Al Bustan Rotana Hotel.

Soon, authorities released video footage of the alleged assassins – 29 people who had used European and Australian passports to get in and out of Dubai in less than 24 hours. Before long, authorities alleged an elaborate assassination plot by Israel’s spy service, the Mossad. Dubai police supported the allegation with passport mug shots, credit card numbers, surveillance footage and bank records.

Since its creation, Israel has asserted a right to covertly kill or capture enemies anywhere in the world, even though police in local jurisdictions regard such acts as crimes.

Does only Israel have this right, or can their adversaries also assert this same right?

I can list many examples of Israelis assassinating people all over the world;
Dubai's police chief accuses Mossad in killing of Hamas commander - Los Angeles Times
Israel kills terror chief with headrest bomb - Times Online

Do you support Israel assassinating Canadians:
Gerald Bull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am in favor of arresting assassins and holding them accountable for their actions:


Canada denies arresting suspect in death of Hamas militant - The Globe and Mail
 

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Which international laws would Iran violate if they arm Hamas and Hezbollah? I see that as no different from the US arming Israel or the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan.

I'm against international assassinations in general, but I'm especially against them when the assassins try to pass themselves off as Canadians:

I don't know if that would be the best example, for one it is old news. Today it would be Israel supporting rebels in Northern Iraq to attack Turkish Marine Units or be 'upstarts' in Iran. The US also openly says it will fund any group that is trying to destabilize Iran.

The other sentence should have been just 5 words long. lol
 

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It's amazing to watch the morally bankrupt justify or dismiss one proxy war, perpetrated by their favourite neo Nazi regimes. While they condemn ones committed by the US.

 

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There are only mini-nukes in movies, you can be sure that whoever sets off a nuclear bomb it will be catastrophic. The U.S. could annihilate Iran in one strike with minimal retaliation, Israel probably could also. Blame anyone you want, when/if a war starts there will only be one loser that being Iran. Proxy wars against the U.S. will only insure Iran's swift destruction terrorists don't have to many more places to hide.
 

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Example of a miniNuke:

The M-28 or M-29 Davy Crockett Weapon System(s) was a tactical nuclear recoilless gun for firing the M388 nuclear projectile that was deployed by the United States during the Cold War. Named after American soldier, congressman and folk hero Davy Crockett, it was one of the smallest nuclear weapon systems ever built.

The Davy Crockett was developed in the late 1950s for use against Soviet troops had war broken out in Europe. Small teams of the Atomic Battle Group (charged with operating the device) would be stationed every few kilometers to guard against Soviet attack, using the power of their nuclear artillery to kill or incapacitate advancing troop formations and irradiate the area so that it was uninhabitable for up to 48 hours, long enough to mobilize NATO forces.

The M-388 round used a version of the W54 warhead, a very small sub-kiloton fission device. The Mk-54 weighed about 51 lb (23 kg), with a selectable yield equivalent to 10 or 20 tons of TNT (very close to the minimum practical size and yield for a fission warhead). The complete round weighed 76 lb (34.5 kg). It was 31 in. (78.7 cm) long with a diameter of 11 in. (28 cm) at its widest point; a subcaliber piston at the back of the shell was inserted into the launcher's barrel for firing.[1] The "piston" was considered a spigot prior to the discharge of the propellant cartridge in the recoilless gun chamber of the Davy Crockett. The M388 atomic projectile was mounted on the barrel-inserted spigot via bayonet slots. Once the propellant was discharged the spigot became the launching piston for the M388 atomic projectile. The nuclear yield is hinted at in FM 9-11: Operation and Employment of the Davy Crockett Battlefield Missile, XM-28/29 (June 1963).

The M-388 could be launched from either of two launchers known as the Davy Crockett Weapon System(s): the 4-inch (102 mm) M28, with a range of about 1.25 mi (2 km), or the 6.1-in (155 mm) M29, with a range of 2.5 mi (4 km). Both weapons used the same projectile, and could be mounted on a tripod launcher or carried by truck or armored personnel carrier. They were operated by a three-man crew.[2]

Davy Crockett (nuclear device) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

...and that was the 1950's.

BTW, I'm against all proxy wars and I condemn all senseless violence. It would be hypocritical to claim to be against terrorism, kidnappings/abductions and assassinations and then express unshakable support for one side's terrorism, kidnappings/abductions and assassinations.

I don't support violence. I support people knowing what's going on. If Canada unshakably supports Israel and if Israel is about to become part of NATO and gain the ability to draw the rest of NATO into Israeli initiated wars, then we should know what Israel does.
 

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Which international laws would Iran violate if they arm Hamas and Hezbollah? I see that as no different from the US arming Israel or the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan.

I'm against international assassinations in general, but I'm especially against them when the assassins try to pass themselves off as Canadians:
Canada?Israel relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perhaps you'd like to comment on Israel's self-ordained right to assassinate anyone anywhere?



Does only Israel have this right, or can their adversaries also assert this same right?

I can list many examples of Israelis assassinating people all over the world;
Dubai's police chief accuses Mossad in killing of Hamas commander - Los Angeles Times
Israel kills terror chief with headrest bomb - Times Online

Do you support Israel assassinating Canadians:
Gerald Bull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am in favor of arresting assassins and holding them accountable for their actions:


Canada denies arresting suspect in death of Hamas militant - The Globe and Mail

Uh huh....the Israelis killing the leader of a group sworn to the destruction of Israel and the elimination of Jews worldwide, or the murder of a man (warned repeatedly) that was arming Israel's sworn enemies with the means to easily deliver WMD....... is smilingly compared by EAO to the murder of dozens of completely innocent and uninvolved Jews in Buenos Aries.

Why do you hate Jews so much????

Along with the fact, we weren't talking about extra-territorial murder, were we???
 

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"Was" is the word. They are gone now that someone found out that there almost as dangerous to those who fire it as the target. Israel has no need or shouldn't join NATO for obvious reasons. They are already prejudged the aggressor by most of NATO, why would they want to and lose future arguments and possibly wars if they agreed to NATO's wishes.
 

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I don't know if that would be the best example, for one it is old news. Today it would be Israel supporting rebels in Northern Iraq to attack Turkish Marine Units or be 'upstarts' in Iran. The US also openly says it will fund any group that is trying to destabilize Iran.

The other sentence should have been just 5 words long. lol

The US has openly funded anti-Iranian terrorist organizations for years:
US funds terror groups to sow chaos in Iran - Telegraph

BTW, Iran even offered to negotiate an end the proxy wars, but the US refused to talk...
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Washington 'snubbed Iran offer'

Like I said, I favor pragmatic diplomacy or violence. Whatever the US and Israel do to Iran, Iran is completely justified to reciprocate. IN other words if you can't take it, then don't dish it out.
 

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Good to know you still read my posts EAO, lol...

BTW, I'm against all proxy wars and I condemn all senseless violence. It would be hypocritical to claim to be against terrorism, kidnappings/abductions and assassinations and then express unshakable support for one side's terrorism, kidnappings/abductions and assassinations.
But you defend one side, with claims of them being a duly elected Gov't, freedom fighters and so on. Then you defend despots and dictatorships like the DPRK, ignoring the facts of the matter.

I don't support violence.
Yes you do. By ignoring it. When it suits your agenda.

I support people knowing what's going on.
So long as it suits your agenda. You consistently whitewash reality to suit the agenda and ideology you hold dear. You defend Ahmadinejad's comments, ignoring the context of his comments, in favour of ignoring the very real fact that that context is the destruction of Israel.

If Canada unshakably supports Israel and if Israel is about to become part of NATO and gain the ability to draw the rest of NATO into Israeli initiated wars, then we should know what Israel does.
This is a prime example. Israel is guilty of many things, but you can not for the life of you, admit that they are not the only culpable party, let alone the very real fact that Iran has aided in perpetuating proxy conflicts between Israel and her neighbours. In fact, it was earlier comments in this thread that caused my original comment on that train of thought.

You condemn one proxy war while dismissing another, because it jives with your agenda and ideology.

That doesn't make you a pacifist, nor a humanist. It makes you a propagandist with a penchant for neo Nazi groups.

The US has openly funded anti-Iranian terrorist organizations for years:
US funds terror groups to sow chaos in Iran - Telegraph
Not that there is any real evidence in that Op/Ed piece, I'm not naive enough to think there isn't an air of probability. Which makes me shake my head at the US.
BTW, Iran even offered to negotiate an end the proxy wars, but the US refused to talk...
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Washington 'snubbed Iran offer'
Did you read that at all? The part that had me saying good call, is when Iran asked for the members of Mujahedeen e-Kahalq to be repatriated. For a heroes welcome no doubt...
Like I said, I favor pragmatic diplomacy or violence.
True pacifists and humanists never favour violence, period.

Whatever the US and Israel do to Iran, Iran is completely justified to reciprocate.
There you go, justifying it yet again.

IN other words if you can't take it, then don't dish it out.
Good call, try living by that motto for a bit.
 
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The US has openly funded anti-Iranian terrorist organizations for years:
US funds terror groups to sow chaos in Iran - Telegraph

BTW, Iran even offered to negotiate an end the proxy wars, but the US refused to talk...
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Washington 'snubbed Iran offer'

Like I said, I favor pragmatic diplomacy or violence. Whatever the US and Israel do to Iran, Iran is completely justified to reciprocate. IN other words if you can't take it, then don't dish it out.

Quit dodging the question: When did ISRAEL attack Iran??????

BTW, why are you so concerned with the sins of the ONLY free, democratic, liberal state in the ME?

While you defend China, for God's sake.....


  1. [SIZE=+1]Tibet (1950 et seq.): 600 000[/SIZE]
    • Chinese occupation. (For the most part, it's already been included in the numbers above.)
      • Free Tibet Campaign [[SIZE=-2]http://www.freetibet.org/info/facts/fact1.html[/SIZE]]
        • Tibetans killed by the Chinese since 1950: 1,200,000
        • Died in prisons and labour camps between 1950 and 1984: up to 260,000
        • 1959 Uprising: 430,000 died
          • K. in Reprisals: 87,000
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm

That number, btw, is more than TEN TIMES the number of people killed in the Arab-Israeli conflict on both sides since 1947.

Yet China gets a pass.

One is left with the inevitable conclusion that it is not Human Rights you fight for, but Jew hatred.
 

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"Was" is the word. They are gone now that someone found out that there almost as dangerous to those who fire it as the target. Israel has no need or shouldn't join NATO for obvious reasons. They are already prejudged the aggressor by most of NATO, why would they want to and lose future arguments and possibly wars if they agreed to NATO's wishes.

I thought you claimed that "There are only mini-nukes in movies". Perhaps I didn't read your previous post or I didn't interpret it properly.

There are only mini-nukes in movies, you can be sure that whoever sets off a nuclear bomb it will be catastrophic. The U.S. could annihilate Iran in one strike with minimal retaliation, Israel probably could also. Blame anyone you want, when/if a war starts there will only be one loser that being Iran. Proxy wars against the U.S. will only insure Iran's swift destruction terrorists don't have to many more places to hide.

The point of my previous post was to show that min-nukes are real, have been built and tested. Do you still deny this?

Rumor has it that some nuclear powers including the US have developed bunker busting mini-nukes and integrated "tactical nuke" and conventional weapons into battle plans for a preemptive strike against Iran:

Will the US launch "Mini-nukes" against Iran
Is the Bush Administration Planning a Nuclear Holocaust?

I don't know if that's true or not. Certainly it is possible since mini-nukes can be built, despite IS's claims that they only exist in movies.

Regarding Isrel's relationship with NATO:
...By the end of 2006, Israel was granted a "partnership agreement" with NATO that had more substance than any agreement NATO had held so far with a non- European country. Still, many in Israel and the West kept calling for full Israeli membership in NATO. One Russian political analyst, Eduard Sorokin, warned that Washington was using Israel's potential membership of NATO as a way of keeping Arab countries on their toes. According to the NATO Charter, any attack on a NATO member is considered as an attack on all members. Thus any future conflict between Israel and its neighbours may trigger a broader regional conflict and potentially a world war..
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2010/984/op2.htm

Israel has integrated their Command, Control and Communications with NATO. So the military part of NATO membership is complete. Now its just a political decision whether or not make Israel a full member of the alliance.

If Israel and the US can fund and arm anti-Iranian terrorist organizations, then it would be hypocritical to criticize Iran for doing the exact same thing.

Who do you think is behind the recent string of Iranian nuclear scientist assassinations and other attempts to derail Iran's nuclear program?

Covert war against Iran's nuclear aims takes chilling turn
Sophisticated cyber-worms, motorcycling assassins: but who is behind the increasingly sinister campaign against the Iranian energy programme?
Covert war against Iran's nuclear aims takes chilling turn | World news | The Observer

Also related
Iran makes arrests over nuclear scientist murders - Telegraph
 
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That was from just one of four reactors....

International spread of radioactivity
Four hundred times more radioactive material was released than had been by the atomic bombing of Hiroshima. However, compared to the total amount released by nuclear weapons testing during the 1950s and 1960s, the Chernobyl disaster released 100 to 1000 times less radioactivity.[66] The fallout was detected over all of Europe except for the Iberian Peninsula.[67][68][69]
The initial evidence that a major release of radioactive material was affecting other countries came not from Soviet sources, but from Sweden, where on the morning of 28 April[70] workers at the Forsmark Nuclear Power Plant (approximately 1,100 km (680 mi) from the Chernobyl site) were found to have radioactive particles on their clothes.[71] It was Sweden's search for the source of radioactivity, after they had determined there was no leak at the Swedish plant, that at noon on April 28 led to the first hint of a serious nuclear problem in the western Soviet Union. Hence the evacuation of Pripyat on April 27, 36 hours after the initial explosions, was silently completed before the disaster became known outside the Soviet Union. The rise in radiation levels had at that time already been measured in Finland, but a civil service strike delayed the response and publication.[72]
Contamination from the Chernobyl accident was scattered irregularly depending on weather conditions. Reports from Soviet and Western scientists indicate that Belarus received about 60% of the contamination that fell on the former Soviet Union. However, the 2006 TORCH report stated that half of the volatile particles had landed outside Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia. A large area in Russia south of Bryansk was also contaminated, as were parts of northwestern Ukraine. Studies in surrounding countries indicate that over one million people could have been affected by radiation.[73]
Recently published data from a long-term monitoring program (The Korma-Report)[74] show a decrease in internal radiation exposure of the inhabitants of a region in Belarus close to Gomel. Resettlement may even be possible in prohibited areas provided that people comply with appropriate dietary rules.
In Western Europe, precautionary measures taken in response to the radiation included seemingly arbitrary regulations banning the importation of certain foods but not others. In France some officials stated that the Chernobyl accident had no adverse effects.[citation needed]. Official figures in southern Bavaria in Germany indicated that some wild plant species contained substantial levels of caesium, which were believed to have been passed onto them by wild boars, a significant number of which had already contained radioactive particles above the allowed level, consuming them.[75]
 

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When in doubt, blame the Heebs.

Repeated ad nauseum.

Not that I would blame them. I mean seriously. Iran has a hard on for driving the Zionist pigs into the ocean. Why waste the gas when you can vapourize them all at once.
Iran would only be able to pop a rainbow bomb and not a ground strike without contaminating their own water supply and ag land. If any Heebs died it would be Heeb on Heeb fighting over a jar of olives or a bottle of water after the electric grids and all elctronics are toasted for the next year or two afterward..
 

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Iran would only be able to pop a rainbow bomb and not a ground strike without contaminating their own water supply and ag land. If any Heebs died it would be Heeb on Heeb fighting over a jar of olives or a bottle of water after the electric grids and all elctronics are toasted for the next year or two afterward..
You negate Iran's very capable means of delivery. And as EAO has so kindly pointed out, they don't have to drop a whooper to do it.