I think LSD in the Pentagon drinking water might be effective. Same for whoever is running the Israeli military. Iran probably has some mighty fine hash. A little in their coffee would do wonders for their attitude.
Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes
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An article that puts things into some perspective. Read it and let me know if he is also drugged up and out?
Jonathan Kay: Imagining an Iranian ICBM | Full Comment | National Post
Love the illustration at the beginning of the article. Really puts it into perspective, lol
If Rubin is right.....
Yup! Just another bunch of speculative fear mongering BS. I'm sure Rubin is not on drugs, but he is on a mission to drum up support for Israel war mongering. I now see clearly where you get your paranoia about Iran. Sorry Goobs, but I don't buy into that sort of hate propaganda and I am deeply disturbed by people who do.
No not paranoia - Thinking more along the lines of Theological Nutjobs with an unstable Govt - Imanutjob and the battling Ayatollah and which military /terror orgs and who controls the most during this power struggle that they are going thru-Or Thugocracy and Nukes- Now that is not paranoia.
I fail to see how someone can support a nation that already has nukes and has a 100 year track record of using violence and war as a tool of subjugating other nations while condemning another nation that does not have nukes and has not invaded other nations in that same time period. Can you not see the dichotomy of that position? Whether or not the Iranian government is a bunch of religious fanatics or not is irrelevant. They have a right to protect themselves against the obvious threat of attack by the US and Israel. Having nukes and the means to deliver them would make an attack much less likely. Until the US stops their aggressive behaviour and interference in the internal affairs of the Middle East, Iran has the right to do whatever it sees necessary to protect its people.
YouTube - US interventionist Policy
Are you living on the same planet as me???
The Yanks stayed out of WW One until 1917.
They stayed out of WW II until attacked in 1941..........
They single handedly rebuilt Europe and Japan into liberal, free states.......after WWII.....when they were the ONLY nuclear power, and could have ruled the world through terror, they passed.
They defended the west against Soviet expansionism.......it is because of the USA western Europe did not fall into the Soviet black hole...
They stopped (with UN help) aggression from North Korea, Russia, China on the Korean Peninsula....if you want to see what they SAVED you from, look at NK and China.....
They helped create the ONLY free democratic state in the ME, and are working on the second.....
They have made tremendous mistakes, such as Vietnam and their support of looney dictators in South America....but without them, we'd have been in DEEP trouble.
A little respect is in order.
Not that I expect THAT!!!!!
You are right... not to expect that. Did you watch the video? It only covered a fraction of the aggressive behaviour. What good the US has done has been far outweighed by the bad. And creating a democratic state out of Iraq and Afghanistan is one sick joke. Neither of these countries is a democracy nor free and probably never will as long as the US is there propping up their puppet governments to steal Iraqi oil and and the poppies in Afghanistan. You also forgot the Philippines where they slaughtered 3 million Muslims and then supported Marcos and his reign of terror. Ever notice that all the bogymen of the past few decades were all despots that the Yanks created or supported? Noriega, Hussein, Bin Laden to name but a few.
Ya, I guess we do live on different planets, because I don't see with the same myopic eyes that you seem to be using.
I post links that offer a clear view point - Going by a title of a link posted demonstrates that you have no wish to read other opinion's -
Here is an opposing viewpoint.
Jonathan Kay: The case against bombing Iran | Full Comment | National Post
I'm still trying to find out where he got that epic quote about the U.S. and Iran being the only two relevant national powers on this planet. I can't find anything on the net which references an interview or any sort of legitimate indication of such a dichotomy.
Sounds pretty sketchy to me.
Okay, Cliffy, I hadn't watched the vid, as I assumed it was BS. Man, was I EVER correct!!!!!!!
Errors of FACT in the vid:
The United States did NOT back or train Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan against the Russians. Nor was he trained by the CIA. The USA did back the Mujahade'en in the Afghanistan war.......but bin Laden was a co-leader of a group so radical they refused all western aid as stained by infidels, and got their support from Saudi Arabia.
The United States did NOT supply billions in weapons to Saddam Hussein's regime at any time.......they supplied trucks, spare parts, unarmed helicopters and intel. France, Germany, Russia and China supplied the rockets, artillery, small arms, and chemicals for WMDs. All those nations were into it at a MUCH deeper level than the USA.
Iraq did not invade Kuwait with US weapons.....as illustrated above. That is the most ridiculous claim, displyed under advancing Iraqis in a Soviet personnel carrier.....
500,000 Iraqi children did not die from sanctions and bombing.....such claims are seriously moronic. And those that did die are not the responsibility of the USA, considering the fact Saddam was allowed to use oil revenues for food and medecine....but chose to build palaces. This is the most wide-spread, and one of the most.....disingenuous of the anti-American lies so quickly accepted by the unthinking......
So, there are also some deceptions in interpretation.....but we'll let those pass as matters of opinion.....the above are Facts.....
You should find a more reliable source.......then you m,ight be able to tell your friends from your enemies.....
Iran isn't paranoid. All they have to do is look at Iraq next door to see what the US does to countries it doesn't like that don't possess WMDs. I doubt the US would have invaded and occupied Iraq, if Iraq had the ability to bomb American cities. Iraq's inability to inflict real pain on the US in response to an unprovoked attack is why hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died and millions more became refugees. Iraq's inability to present a credible deterrent was an invitation for invasion, which also resulted in thousands of US and allied military deaths and injuries.
I expect that Iran will acquire ICBM technology as quickly as possible out a sense of self preservation against the existential threat from the US and Israel. Iranians have just as much right to acquire this technology as the US, Russia, China... or anyone else. The day Iran can bomb the US as easily as the US can bomb Iran, will be the day the Iranian people become a lot safer. Until then they are just as vulnerable to a US led invasion/occupation as Iraq was.
I also blame the American people and all the idiots who went along with the US led war crime against the Iraqi people for the current situation. If the US respected international laws, hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis would still be alive and Iran would not be aggressively pursing a military deterrent. If the US and Israel demonstrated a willingness to respect international laws, its even possible that the Iranians could have been convinced not to pursue WMDs.
Instead, the Iranians probably noticed how easily the American people can be misled and manipulated into supporting war crimes. Likely, they also noticed that American leaders can commit war crimes with impunity and very few Americans will demand accountability.
If Americans and Israelis wanted to convince Iranians that they are not a threat, they should arrest their war criminals starting with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Until then, the Iranian people would be wise to devise ways to protect themselves from an unprovoked attack by the US and Israel, and the means to inflict real pain on the US and Israel in response to an unprovoked attack.
MAD is the only way the world can be safe from the lunatic war criminals in the US and Israel who are responsible for so much death and destruction.
If anyone thinks Iran is a threat to world peace, then please give examples of Iran starting unprovoked wars, committing war crimes or crimes against humanity on the scale of of the war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by the US and Israel. Actions speak louder athan words. When you start doing body counts it becomes very clear which countries are led by lunatic war criminals.
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The Reagan Administration began building those bases, sold sophisticated AWACS planes to Saudi Arabia, and conducted joint military exercises with Egypt and other countries. And the CIA began one of its longest and most expensive covert operations, supplying billions of dollars in arms to a collection of Afghan guerrillas fighting the Soviets. The arms shipments included Stinger missiles, the shoulder-fired, antiaircraft weapons that were used with deadly accuracy against Soviet helicopters and that are now in circulation among terrorists who have fired such weapons at commercial airliners. Among the rebel recipients of U.S. arms: Osama bin Laden.
The Oily Americans - TIME
The Oily Americans - TIME
They may not be U.S. origin weapons, however...
[T]he United States actively supported the Iraqi war effort by supplying the Iraqis with billions of dollars of credits, by providing U.S. military intelligence and advice to the Iraqis, and by closely monitoring third country arms sales to Iraq to make sure that Iraq had the military weaponry required. The United States also provided strategic operational advice to the Iraqis to better use their assets in combat... The CIA, including both CIA Director Casey and Deputy Director Gates, knew of, approved of, and assisted in the sale of non-U.S. origin military weapons, ammunition and vehicles to Iraq. My notes, memoranda and other documents in my NSC files show or tend to show that the CIA knew of, approved of, and assisted in the sale of non-U.S. origin military weapons, munitions and vehicles to Iraq.[17]
United States support for Iraq during the Iran?Iraq war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]For more than ten years, the United States has deliberately pursued a policy of destroying the water treatment system of Iraq, knowing full well the cost in Iraqi lives. The United Nations has estimated that more than 500,000 Iraqi children have died as a result of sanctions, and that 5,000 Iraqi children continue to die every month for this reason. [/FONT]
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But yes, keep the rose-tinted Nationalistic glasses on.
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Let's see....I don't believe I ever remember Israel committing war crimes...
EAO, I'm getting so I can't read your posts.
Why are you so self-hating? What is it about freedom, about democracy that so outrages you?
You defend Iran and China at every turn. Iran and China are among the five WORST human rights abusers on earth. The leader of Iran is a rabid nutcase, a murderer, a tyrant, a religious looney that can't wait for the opportunity to arm his minions in Hamas and Hezbollah with nukes so they can get on with the final genocide against the Jews of the ONE free state in the ME.
Your defense of these people sickens me.
I really think you have some kind of a psychological problem. I really do.
Minions? Seriously? Minions?? lol
Look, if you're to take an objective approach you shouldn't be favouring zionists or hezbollah. But the reality is that the humus just aren't dangerous enough to warrant an intervention.
And c'mon - you'd have to be pretty belligerent not to see that the U.S. is playing the same trick they did on Iraq. It's an easy game because the U.S. has so many minions fed by the media. Just look at Iraq. So incredibly easy for war-mongerers to fool the conservative zombies into backing these stupid wars.
Look, if you're to take an objective approach you shouldn't be favouring zionists or hezbollah. But the reality is that the humus just aren't dangerous enough to warrant an intervention.
And c'mon - you'd have to be pretty belligerent not to see that the U.S. is playing the same trick they did on Iraq. It's an easy game because the U.S. has so many minions fed by the media. Just look at Iraq. So incredibly easy for war-mongerers to fool the conservative zombies into backing these stupid wars.
Thanks Mentalfloss. I really don't know what planet Colpy is living on or why he feels a need to whitewash US history.
"But the reality is that the humus just aren't dangerous enough to warrant an intervention."
humus: dark brown or black organic matter in the soil formed from partially decomposed leaves, plants etc.
For once in your life, you are right, mentalfloss.
humus: dark brown or black organic matter in the soil formed from partially decomposed leaves, plants etc.
For once in your life, you are right, mentalfloss.