The Independent Woman

karrie

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I was just thinking about what my husband would say if someone explained that I'm not an independent woman, what with being a housewife and all.... lol.... it would probably involve a safe room as well.
 

mt_pockets1000

Council Member
Jun 22, 2006
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My daughter is 21 years old and recently started work with World Vision. The confidence and independance she's gaining through this job is wonderful. It shocked her to find out that women were thought of as less than human in some parts of the world. She was wide eyed yesterday when she told me that in some countries women cannot eat until the men have finished their meal. Now she's involved in a program to educate women in the poorer parts of the world. The aim is to empower them, promote and encourage their natural nurturing tendencies and to break down barriers instilled by male dominance. Go get em my little fireball!

There is a definite shift happening among the youth today. They are more aware of the injustices taking place all over and they're not afraid to tackle the tough stuff and make some real changes. I'm behind them 100%.
 

Kreskin

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Feb 23, 2006
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has anyone here ever gone and seen the way women act at male strippers? It's un-freaking-believable. No man would get away with acting like that and not be arrested or at the very least, tossed out of the bar onto his face. The screaming, pushing, MAULING the male stripper... it's insane. I went once, dragged along for 'ladies' night', and I ended up,leaving to go play pool on the 'guys' side because I was, frankly, embarassed to be a woman right then.
I worked as one. Had to quit. Couldn't stand having all those women constantly mauling me. It's grueling after hours work too.

And if you believe that I have some prime oceanfront property for sale.
 

JLM

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Nov 27, 2008
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My daughter is 21 years old and recently started work with World Vision. The confidence and independance she's gaining through this job is wonderful. It shocked her to find out that women were thought of as less than human in some parts of the world. She was wide eyed yesterday when she told me that in some countries women cannot eat until the men have finished their meal. Now she's involved in a program to educate women in the poorer parts of the world. The aim is to empower them, promote and encourage their natural nurturing tendencies and to break down barriers instilled by male dominance. Go get em my little fireball!

There is a definite shift happening among the youth today. They are more aware of the injustices taking place all over and they're not afraid to tackle the tough stuff and make some real changes. I'm behind them 100%.

Is it the women who need educating or is it the men? :smile:
 

mt_pockets1000

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Jun 22, 2006
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Is it the women who need educating or is it the men? :smile:

No kidding eh. I work with some of those guys from far away lands and one of their biggest beefs about this country is that the women have too many rights. Yeah, they need educating alright. It'll take years to change that mindset.
 

Colpy

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Nov 5, 2005
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These women are certainly independent ... they're just like men.

100 drunken B.C. women brawl over male stripper

NANAIMO, B.C. — A drunken brawl broke out among a group of women at a Vancouver Island bar over the weekend after one woman blocked another woman's view of a male stripper.
More than 100 woman were at a fundraiser in Nanaimo’s Cavallotti Lodge on Friday night watching a man dressed as a police officer peel off his uniform when a women who was standing on a chair refused to get down after another onlooker argued she didn't have a clear view.
"I guess one woman assaulted another woman who was blocking her view and then all hell broke loose," said Nanaimo RCMP Const. Gary O'Brien.
Four squad cars responded.
Police arrested five women after the "alcohol-fuelled incident," but charges are not being recommended, said O'Brien.
Police plan on talking to the venue's owner about the danger of serving patrons too much alcohol.


uh-huh....

I'm gonna throw a wrench in here.

Imagine the boys out for a night, they get incredibly drunk in a bar, and a drunken brawl ensues, requiring four police cars full of officers to restore order.

One phrase I PROMISE you would not be included in the next day's news report........"charges are not being recommended"
 

Ariadne

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Aug 7, 2006
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Independent, but not equal. Sometimes that good old Victorian attitude of treating women as graceful, delicate flowers (even if they are dreadfully hungover and bruised) is useful to women.
 

damngrumpy

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I managed bars back in the late 70's until the mid 80's and things have
not changed. The ladies night would cause all kinds of problems from
time to time. I have seen women dressed to the nine's end up looking
like some kind of bag lady with black eyes and hair pulled out, hair that
cost a lot of money to be set and coloured.
Women do not get equal treatment in the workplace, from a money
standpoint. I think they need to get more of a sense of humor though
in some cases. My daughters and even one grand daughter agree with
me. All too often they do protest to much, in some instances.
I trust these three, when they confirmed what I thought, as they would
rip your lips off, if you were ignorant.
I like independent women, who stand up for themselves and can survive
the rigors of life.
 

Ariadne

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Aug 7, 2006
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Women are not treated equal in the workplace. It has long been said that if a man needs a masters, then a woman needs a phd. The man will still be paid more, and it will automatically be assumed that the man is better at logic, analytical thinking, computers, and anything more challenging than putting a few words together. Women can be independent in the sense that they can manage very well without men, but they will never be considered equal by men (and many women) intellectually (in the workplace).
 

JLM

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Women are not treated equal in the workplace. It has long been said that if a man needs a masters, then a woman needs a phd. The man will still be paid more, and it will automatically be assumed that the man is better at logic, analytical thinking, computers, and anything more challenging than putting a few words together. Women can be independent in the sense that they can manage very well without men, but they will never be considered equal by men (and many women) intellectually (in the workplace).


Perhaps they dwell on it too much. It was women's perogative to get out of the home and in the work place, and there probably wasn't anything wrong with that, but like with men you can't demand to be someplace AND necessarily make demands as to the terms. Hope I'm making sense. :smile:
 

Cliffy

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Nov 19, 2008
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I never understood why women wanted to be equal to men. It would amount to dumbing themselves down. Why would they want to be equal to war mongering barbarians with brains in their dicks? Yes I know, some of us are more than that, but just walk into any bar and tell me I'm wrong.
 

JLM

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I never understood why women wanted to be equal to men. It would amount to dumbing themselves down. Why would they want to be equal to war mongering barbarians with brains in their dicks? Yes I know, some of us are more than that, but just walk into any bar and tell me I'm wrong.

Exactly, years ago (probably 20) there was this goofy dame in North Vancouver who demanded that she be granted admittance to a men's club and was well on the way to making a federal case of it. Said she was being discriminated against. Perhaps she can be found in the men's section of the Psych ward. :lol:
 

Curiosity

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I think we need to find a word to substitute for gender equality

Gender equality is like trying to cross a duck with a donkey (no comparisons intended to humans)....

Each gender has its specialty, its reality, its method of working out getting through life both the
good and bad. Each gender has specific activity and thought patterns which promote one or the other in general.

The best combination is a pairing up of individuals with similar goals who enjoy sharing what each does best.

Women have gained equality in many of the important areas of our world such as politics, educational influence, promotion of gender emancipation in backward nations and I think both men and women have specific traits geared towards their life experience and desire for independent thought which enhance our world.

Many seem to believe emancipation of females meant they could be more 'male oriented' which is incorrect - each gender has its own gifts which complement the other gender. Women trying to be 'male' to be heard are missing their best traits - to be themselves - to offer alternative thought in many areas where women
excel.
 

JLM

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I think we need to find a word to substitute for gender equality

Gender equality is like trying to cross a duck with a donkey (no comparisons intended to humans)....

Each gender has its specialty, its reality, its method of working out getting through life both the
good and bad. Each gender has specific activity and thought patterns which promote one or the other in general.

The best combination is a pairing up of individuals with similar goals who enjoy sharing what each does best.

Women have gained equality in many of the important areas of our world such as politics, educational influence, promotion of gender emancipation in backward nations and I think both men and women have specific traits geared towards their life experience and desire for independent thought which enhance our world.

Many seem to believe emancipation of females meant they could be more 'male oriented' which is incorrect - each gender has its own gifts which complement the other gender. Women trying to be 'male' to be heard are missing their best traits - to be themselves - to offer alternative thought in many areas where women
excel.

As there is no such thing as gender equality there is not going to be a word that can be substituted for it. The idea of gender equality is as ridiculous as expecting equality between an orange and an apple. One may be just as good as the other but in no way are they equal.
 

TenPenny

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My interpretation of gender equality is that both genders should have equal opportunities and respect.

If a woman, or a man, wants to be a professional, they should be able to (to the extent of their abilities), and their pay should be based on their abilities. If a woman, or a man, wants to be a stay at home parent, that's a family decision, and there should be no disrespect or anything attached to that.
 

JLM

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Nov 27, 2008
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My interpretation of gender equality is that both genders should have equal opportunities and respect.

If a woman, or a man, wants to be a professional, they should be able to (to the extent of their abilities), and their pay should be based on their abilities. If a woman, or a man, wants to be a stay at home parent, that's a family decision, and there should be no disrespect or anything attached to that.

Right on.
 

Ariadne

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I think we need to find a word to substitute for gender equality

Gender equality is like trying to cross a duck with a donkey (no comparisons intended to humans)....

Each gender has its specialty, its reality, its method of working out getting through life both the
good and bad. Each gender has specific activity and thought patterns which promote one or the other in general.

The best combination is a pairing up of individuals with similar goals who enjoy sharing what each does best.

Women have gained equality in many of the important areas of our world such as politics, educational influence, promotion of gender emancipation in backward nations and I think both men and women have specific traits geared towards their life experience and desire for independent thought which enhance our world.

Many seem to believe emancipation of females meant they could be more 'male oriented' which is incorrect - each gender has its own gifts which complement the other gender. Women trying to be 'male' to be heard are missing their best traits - to be themselves - to offer alternative thought in many areas where women
excel.

In theory, this distinction is true. In practice, I think what we find is that the world is full of people that have a combination of both male and female personality traits. Some men are soft and fuzzy, and some women are hard and commanding, both inherent contradictions to the stereotype.

I'm more in favour of each according to their ability, and equal compensation and treatment for same ... regardless of gender.
 

Chiliagon

Prime Minister
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I never understood why women wanted to be equal to men. It would amount to dumbing themselves down. Why would they want to be equal to war mongering barbarians with brains in their dicks? Yes I know, some of us are more than that, but just walk into any bar and tell me I'm wrong.

they want to be paid the same money, be able to do the same jobs and have the same opportunities as men.


Does not mean that they want EVERYTHING that men have.

I know that men don't want EVERYTHING that women have.. I can think of at least 2 things.