Another Tamil ship on its way to our shores

[captain morgan]

As I understand it, the next 2 ships are waiting to see what reception this one gets. Not to be cruel but I believe their sick should be attended to and then they should be supplied with food and water and sent back home so that ships 2 and 3 know not to set sail.

You're not being cruel VanIsle. In the end, Canada can't be the welfare cheque to the world, nor can we be the neighbourhood medical clinic or hospital to the world.

I say get in touch with the UN and get them to send over one of their hospital ships to deal with these invalids. It makes me angry that they apparently had the cash to pay the snake-heads to smuggle them, but no money to take care of their own health condition.

 

[VanIsle]

Agreed ... but we both know that's not about to happen. Canada will preserve its reputation - no matter how many illegals wipe their boots on our backs.

I know, but this time Wolf, I hope you are wrong.

 

[EagleSmack]

As I understand it, the next 2 ships are waiting to see what reception this one gets. Not to be cruel but I believe their sick should be attended to and then they should be supplied with food and water and sent back home so that ships 2 and 3 know not to set sail.

I doubt very much that will happen. The ship is pier side. That's why I said "Welcome to Canada" and I should have added "Your new Home"

This trip will be refueled, sent back, and the word will go out.

 

[JLM]

As I understand it, the next 2 ships are waiting to see what reception this one gets. Not to be cruel but I believe their sick should be attended to and then they should be supplied with food and water and sent back home so that ships 2 and 3 know not to set sail.

I'd go one further, send a note to ships two and three right now advising them that as soon as their prow breaks over the horizon, they will be on the receiving end of gun fire. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[TenPenny]

I doubt very much that will happen. The ship is pier side. That's why I said "Welcome to Canada" and I should have added "Your new Home"

This trip will be refueled, sent back, and the word will go out.

I expect the ship itself will be seized, and likely sold for scrap. The crew will probably be arrested and charged with transporting illegal immigrants. All of the refugees will sit in custody until their individual cases are heard, and they are either allowed to claim refugee status, or sent home.

 

[JLM]

I expect the ship itself will be seized, and likely sold for scrap. The crew will probably be arrested and charged with transporting illegal immigrants. All of the refugees will sit in custody until their individual cases are heard, and they are either allowed to claim refugee status, or sent home.

I think if this crap continues Canada will become the laughing stalk of the world. Maybe Dubya had it right when he said terrorists were leaking into the U.S. via Canada.

 

[Bcool]

Guzzling the Kool Aid are you?

And that, I think, demonstrates all too clearly the obvious intent to keep the flaming going in order to prevent a reasonable debate of an obviously sensitive topic.

I'll leave it up to your country's government to speak to the topic, try flaming your U.S. State Department instead:

"The rule that the U.S. State Department applied to Sri Lanka when it compiled a report on the conduct of the Sri Lanka’s execution of the military offensive against the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE/Tamil Tigers) sent to the U.S. Congress on October 23 (2009) does not apply to the United States because Richard Holbrooke takes cover behind his and Obama administration’s interpretation justifying the indiscriminate killings of innocent Afghan civilians. The rule the State Department report on Sri Lanka cited was “Crimes against humanity are certain offenses committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack against any civilian population with knowledge of the attack. Specific acts of crimes against humanity include murder; extermination; torture; rape; persecution; enforced disappearance; and other inhumane acts, when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack against a civilian population with knowledge of that attack.”
Reminding the State Department’s mandate the report says: “In accordance with further congressional direction, this report focuses on reports of alleged incidents and conduct which may constitute violations of IHL and/or crimes against humanity occurring during a period of especially intensive fighting, from January through May 2009. In the interest of creating a fuller picture of the circumstances of the conflict, the report also includes other related harms against civilians, including possible abuses of human rights.”
Also detailed in the report are numerous allegations of government shelling of civilian populations, hospitals, churches and schools in rebel-controlled territory, often in areas designated by authorities as no-fire zones. The U.S. Embassy reported several cases in which large numbers of civilians were reportedly killed in shelling, which the government of Sri Lanka dismissed.
U.S. never told Sri Lanka ?civilian casualties no surprise in intense wars? | Asian Tribune
And:
"Because the government barred independent journalists and most humanitarian workers from the war zone, the death toll of the final months of fighting, when at least 300,000 Tamil civilians were pinned down on a beach, caught between the rebels and government forces, is not known.
United Nations workers counted about 7,000 dead in the last weeks of April, just before the last phase of the fighting, but diplomats, aid workers and human rights activists have long argued that those figures far underestimated the dead and did not include the final weeks of battle."
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/17/world/asia/17lanka.html

So, between dodging bombs & bullets, the trapped Tamil civilians were evilly avoiding lining up at the Canadian embassy (there was one there on the beach of course... ale to apply with decorum and patience for due process as prospective immigrants. Tsk, tsk!

Quote:Once the US also provided a home for your family either recently or generations ago.
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No, it actually didn't. Once my ancestors came down they provided a home for themselves. They earned money and actually paid for it from the sweat of their brows. No government assistance.

Now I wonder on whose once rightfully owned lands they did that? No, don't bother. BTDT soooo many times. :roll:
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Bcool - resident of the misinformed collective

Because I do not agree with your, and other's, POV I am "misinformed"? You'll forgive my discourtesy in having to perceive you as possibly being ill-informed, IMO YMMV.

One certain way to bring a nation to its knees is to allow massive numbers of undocumented humans into its nation without legal procedures.

There are legal procedures in place for both those claiming refugee status and those seeking immigration status in Canada. The two procedures differ in that refugee legal procedures are based on the post WWII belated recognition that legitimate refugees are in dire need of asylum and have to be processed on Canadian soil for their own protection.

Canada does not appear to be even slightly tilting, let alone being brought "to its knees". On the contrary, we have been at the top of the UN list of countries as the #1 country in the world to live in due to our healthy economy, fiscal policies and laws, access to health care, multiculturalism, etc., for a considerable length of time.

Labor, school, housing, child care and education, health care, all those little 'necessities' apportioned out carefully for the legal residents can suffer under an overburdened, underfunded system.

So you see them as "little necessities"? I do not. Not for any country. Were those "little necessities" an inaliable right in every country (one day... <sigh>), war may well not be the number one industry around the world.

Do you espouse "take from the wealthy to care for the poor".

Of course. It's called "paying taxes".

How does this fit into the reality that some people have made no effort to legalize their entrance as are most new immigrants expected to do and fulfill that obligation, some waiting years.

How is that question relative to the topic of this thread? You are talking about applying for immigrant status from a country of safety which permits the applicant to wait for process outside of Canada. This thread is about possible refugees fleeing a country that is committing gross human rights violations - wholesale slaughter and extermination. As pointed out in my post above, conditions hardly conducive to applying for immigration status.

I suggest if you really care you would pursue some real knowledge of your "battle cry" cause and cease damning people or legalities you are unfamiliar with.

With respect, I suggest you refrain from making knee jerk assumptions about what someone else may or may not be familiar with.

You have a good mind

Thank you!

I don't propose to change it

A somewhat daunting and, I have to inform you, ATPT impossible task I assure you. I do listen to reasoned, logical, truthful, accurately based arguments of fact, however, and will adjust my tenets accordingly.

only your announced "reasoning" why you feel any nation should be overwhelmed by undocumented humans at the expense of those who will pick up the tab along with their children - for years and years to come.

Yes it is a way to bring a nation to its knees.

"Overwhelmed", "undocumented humans", "the expense of those who will pick up the tab along with their children - for years and years to come.", "bring a nation to its knees"? <rereading your statement to ensure I'm considering your claims fairly...> Nope! Not reasoned, logical, truthful, accurately based arguments of fact at all, IMO YMOMV

Permit me to refer you to some facts you may find informative:

International Ranking:
Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Demographics:
"Canada has the highest per-capita immigration rate in the world, driven by economic policy and family reunification, and is aiming for between 240,000 and 265,000 new permanent residents in 2010. Canada also accepts large numbers of refugees." Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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[Kathie Bondar]

I expect the ship itself will be seized, and likely sold for scrap. The crew will probably be arrested and charged with transporting illegal immigrants. All of the refugees will sit in custody until their individual cases are heard, and they are either allowed to claim refugee status, or sent home.

Yes, yes, and how much does it all cost to me, the Canadian tax payer?

 

[gerryh]

Yes, yes, and how much does it all cost to me, the Canadian tax payer?

of course, since money is so much more important than a human life.

 

[Cliffy]

So far we have been able to estimate the arrival of the first DPs to Turtle Island to around 33 thousand years ago. That is a long time, our heritage you might say,to be allowing in DPs. That would make about 100% of us with DP blood in our veins. Seems rather silly to start making exceptions now.

 

[Cliffy]

i'll agree with that

Hi! I see you are new here - Welcome to the fray.

 

[EagleSmack]

I expect the ship itself will be seized, and likely sold for scrap. The crew will probably be arrested and charged with transporting illegal immigrants. All of the refugees will sit in custody until their individual cases are heard, and they are either allowed to claim refugee status, or sent home.

That would be the best option. Particularly seizing the ship. Owners will think twice before bringing their ship into Canada with illegals.

Now I wonder on whose once rightfully owned lands they did that? No, don't bother. BTDT soooo many times. :roll:

The same people that owned those lands that you're sitting on.

Nice attempt at deflecting.

 

[Cliffy]

Ya. We can't have no illegals comin' in here and stealin' the land we stole. Just ain't right. We stole it fair and square, ya know. Saiz so right in ar constitution.

 

[EagleSmack]

Ya. We can't have no illegals comin' in here and stealin' the land we stole. Just ain't right. We stole it fair and square, ya know. Saiz so right in ar constitution.

Is that how you talk up there?

 

[DurkaDurka]

As the lead counsel for the Tamil ship dwellers, I insist that you all persist in slandering these good meaning, but cheating people. They bring unskilled labour and TB, what else can you pasty skin Canadians ask for?

Ya. We can't have no illegals comin' in here and stealin' the land we stole. Just ain't right. We stole it fair and square, ya know. Saiz so right in ar constitution.

Get over it dude....

 

[Colpy]

Ya. We can't have no illegals comin' in here and stealin' the land we stole. Just ain't right. We stole it fair and square, ya know. Saiz so right in ar constitution.

Damn right.

Ask the First Nations how letting in violent foreigners with no respect for your culture or traditions worked out for them.

So we should make the same mistake?

 

[Bcool]

Bcool
Now I wonder on whose once rightfully owned lands they did that? No, don't bother. BTDT soooo many times. :roll:

The same people that owned those lands that you're sitting on.

Nice attempt at deflecting.

This would be very amusing if one did not consider the thread topic.

I live on a First Nations reserve. Want to return the family homestead to its former rightful owners now, Kemo Sabe? (I did warn you I'd BTDT soooo many times....)
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[lone wolf]

This would be very amusing if one did not consider the thread topic.

I live on a First Nations reserve. Want to return the family homestead to its former rightful owners now, Kemo Sabe? (I did warn you I'd BTDT soooo many times....)
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Land ownership was unknown to they who were part of this land.

 

[CDNBear]

And that, I think, demonstrates all too clearly the obvious intent to keep the flaming going in order to prevent a reasonable debate of an obviously sensitive topic.

How can you have a reasonable discussion, when YOU haven't read 1070?

With respect, I suggest you refrain from making knee jerk assumptions about what someone else may or may not be familiar with.

My commentary directed at you wasn't a "knee jerk assumption". It was based on the fact that by your post, it is quite clear, you haven't read Arizona's 1070 legislation.

Thank you!

No, no, thank you.

A somewhat daunting and, I have to inform you, ATPT impossible task I assure you.

Wouldn't you have to be informed, before you ATPT to inform someone else?

I do listen to reasoned, logical, truthful, accurately based arguments of fact, however, and will adjust my tenets accordingly.

Cool, then when you're done reading SB 1070, come back and we'll talk.

Yes, yes, and how much does it all cost to me, the Canadian tax payer?

Roughly, and this is roughly,, $250,000/Tamil, per year, until they are settled, and off the Gov't teat.

of course, since money is so much more important than a human life.

Of course since my money is tight, and very important to staving off disaster. Why should I be taxed to death, so someone else can break the law and use my money, for it?

I live on a First Nations reserve.

Cool, which one?

 

[earth_as_one]

Yes, yes, and how much does it all cost to me, the Canadian tax payer?

Considerably less that Harper's cocktail party last month which turned downtown Toronto into a police state. I'd rather my tax dollars went toward providing shelter to children and expectant mothers.

... Dean Purdy, spokesman for correctional and sheriff services with the B.C. Government and Service Employees' Union, said he was told about 400 adult men, 60 women and 30 children were aboard the 59-metre MV Sun Sea.
The men are expected to be held at Wilkinson Road jail for processing before being moved to the Lower Mainland, likely Fraser Regional Correctional Centre in Maple Ridge.
The women are reportedly being taken to Alouette Correctional Centre for Women, also in Maple Ridge.

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Once the mothers and children have been processed by the federal government, they will be released into the care of B.C.'s Ministry of Children and Family Development and kept at a "secure and safe facility," the ministry said yesterday. They will be kept together while going through the federal refugee review process, and receive access to language interpreters and other support services....

490 Who are the men, women and children who arrived by ship on our doorstep?
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I'd go one further, send a note to ships two and three right now advising them that as soon as their prow breaks over the horizon, they will be on the receiving end of gun fire. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

JLM, I think your idea is cruel. I couldn't support slaughtering women and children. Would you still be in favor of sinking this ship if it was revealed there were also puppies and kittens on board?

... Kemo Sabe?

Complete off topic, but IMO funny:

Tonto (which means idiot in Spanish) called the Lone Ranger "Qui no sabe", which means "he who doesn't know". They were insulting each other. Most Spanish people thought it was hilarious. Sort of like why the car called Nova didn't sell well in Latin America. Nova means "No go" in Spanish.