You must be referencing the link I forgot, rounding off is a little more than some accomplished.
YouTube - One Third of the Holocaust pt.1a
It Seems Impossible (Declaring the Holocaust a Myth)
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YouTube - One Third of the Holocaust pt.1a
The Holocaust is like a Tree in the Forest..... it may have fell, but I wasn't around to witness it, thus it never happened 
Marshall McLuhan actually said, "The medium is the message" and it means that the character of the medium is in the message and no-one considers how the message is delivered; they only consider the message.
The meaning of the medium is the message | From Marshall and Me
It seems to me that hubby told me about a holocaust denier here who constantly asked for someone to explain to him where all the bones and ashes of the dead Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, etc. were if the holocaust was actually true. Hubby posted a pile of info from credible sources and the idiot still wouldn't accept it. Some people are just blocks of concrete.
Very true. China suffered more than any followed by the Soviets.
We need 'Dancing Loon' back to set us straight on this............
Gosh I miss her.
She once called the Taliban so cute holding up peace signs and she wanted to give them a hug. I had to explain that they were actually V for victory signs. True story.
You are 100 % correct - From Angola - Rwanda - Uganda - Cambodia -The Former Yugoslavia - Sudan - Kenya as the tribal strife and hatred is ready to overflow as it did the other year. South America where they indigenous people are murdered and forced from their rightful and ancestral lands.
I don't think it's anything to get up set about. Only complete retards or those with an ulterior motive would deny there was a holocaust. Anyone who wants to yap that way should be dragged up to confront a survivor or relative of a victim and then shoot his mouth off. :smile:
THE PERSONAL ATTACKS HAVE TO STOP! Enough is Enough.
Much of the off-topic stuff has been shoveled out'a here, and the
Personal Attacks that I've seen have been removed...but eough.
Quit it.
Much of the off-topic stuff has been shoveled out'a here, and the
Personal Attacks that I've seen have been removed...but eough.
Quit it.
The world is filled with people that are locked into everything is a conspiracy - Stating that the photos we see in the thread were just run of the mill results from a War where hunger was widespread. Now I know where that idea falls into. But as Ron states we should try to keep this on topic and stop the name calling.
We have the documents - we have the death camps, we have the bodies - we have the testimony from survivors and Nazi's -
What else do these people need.
Bur we also have on this forum those that deny the Holocaust - Nothing will convince them. Nothing at all. But I am sure that these places, different forums etc are about the only places they would publicly state such tripe.
Outside of those wingnuts that parade as White is Right, Aryan Nation etc.
You mention the IRC and that i should search this. Perhaps you can provide links to these documents. Clearly you have had access and such so this should not be a difficult request, or is it?
A swift something in the something, would be my guess.
We have multiple flavours of deniers on this forum. Evidence means nothing. It's only evidence if it fits their political view of the world.
Even correcting misperceptions can enforce the misperception itself. Irony of ironies is the fact that Nazis used this bit of human psychology very well. The big lie. That the Jews were the source of all ills, a very big lie. Most went along with it.
And the Big Lie is thriving as we speak. Goebbels was a master at propaganda. We as you say still in this day those that walk amongst us and think the only good Jew is a dead Jew. That Jews are the source of the world's ills and if they were only gone why World Peace would ensue.
Iranian website that denies the Holocaust. Now If I were Jewish and in Israel Would i want these crackers with Nukes - Would anyone besides a cracker justify their need for Nukes.
Iran launches website to undermine Holocaust - Middle East - World - The Times of India
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Why not be more specific in that area. In some respects that could apply even to yourself in certain circumstances. One of the ways Germans were 'convinced' was through the mass media publications that printed the 'message the Government' wanted. Flyers and posters were much more popular then than today. We have commercials that fill that spot quite nicely.
How do you prevent the same sequence from repeating itself to a different group of people? Educate the population to what 'methods' were used to 'trick' the German people into supporting a lie as being the truth. If the 'news reports' were falsehoods and the 'news people' went along with it then they might as well have been giving the original order. We used to believe our news reports tended to be truthful articles and many still believe that today. If the Germans used lies to convince their people that 'some certain actions needed to be taken' The way to stop that from being able to be repeated should be to make sure the
news reporters' are independent enough to be able to do independent investigations that prevent misuse of the media or exposure if used in a way that is against the mandate that you provide the truth to those who are paying your 'expenses'. That usually ends up being the 'consumers', when the Government is the publisher they are lying to the ones who 'let them' hold power. That happens only because those people are expecting to be told the truth.
Today the lies that lead to Iraq would be the closest example of a Nation being lied to. Americans still arent bombarded by stories that cover that angle or if they are aware it was based on lies then 'so what' as even when the truth comes out nothing is done to stop the invasion and none of the 'liars' suffered any 'hardships' for the 'problems they caused on an international scale'. Since there are no big protests over the invasion that was 'pre-sold' to the public using the very same methods that was used by the Nazis to create a stage that was ripe for persecution against Jews. Without in dept studies about that period of time how do you spot the exact methods used and specifically how were the Jews targeted. The campaign would not have been against the poor Jews is the 'slums', it would have been targeting the richer ones, or the ones who yielded social or political power (funding the opposition).
Actually you are promoting the search for evidence be suspended. Any investigation is only going to end up being supportive of the current view (numbers at it's most basic level). If those are held sacred then the events that lead up to that being a possibility should be thoroughly examined as to prevent anything from happening to any other 'helpless group'. In Europe that would have been the poorest of society and the physically handicapped and the ones that held positions of power that would be 'replaced' by the incoming Political power.
What if the 'new Jews' are North Americans who make less than $100,000/yr. Suddenly they are being sent to 'Camps' and before the 'trains stop' some 60M are dead and everybody is really confused as to how this event could take place. Should history even care to examine such a 'act' it should show the same form of lies were used on the German people and on the ones in America who made over $100,000 and had a job. They 'deserved' something over the rights of the ones who held the lower paying ones and the ones who were 'in the red' (unable to fully support themselves).
The reality of trains and camps is non-existence. Starvation on the scale that would make the millions in the Ukraine small and whole cities would be put under siege where the 'elite' would be allowed to leave. The increase in numbers would come from the fact that 100's of cities would be involved. Some would be given the 'mercy' of a Dresden sort of attack if containment was going to be 'difficult'.
Would close examination of the methods used be worth while if that sort of future could be avoided in North America. South America would also be ahead of the game if they knew what steps were the norm for a Government that is out to harm the people.
In this post the quest was to establish the exact methods that were used to 'enslave the German masses'. Phase I was a ramping up of hated toward a select portion of society. Create a 'common enemy' (real or imagined) as that helps to 'bind the masses. That has a long list of times it was used last century.
Odd that getting caught for telling a lie that was known to be a lie when it was first promoted as the truth carries no punishment other than elevation in the view of the deluded. lol
Lies to the people being ruled over did not start with the Nazis and it did not end with the end of WWII. Is that not so??? Comrade I wish I had a link to some site that had scans of the 'promotion posters' they published back then, not just targeting Jews but conditioning the 'public' to support what will become a bigger war than they just lost less that two decades ago.
That must have been a top notch PR firm and they were in operation before Hitler came to be a political figure in Germany. The henchmen of those days were veterans of WWI and for Germany that would have included some members of the Ottoman Empire that escaped death and went into 'hiding'. Don't have any specific names as that was just mentioned in passing anytime it was even mentioned. That could be 'interesting' if the same people (or their best students) went into 'hiding' at the end of WWII is some country where their 'ideals' could be pursued still. Halting that practice would also seem to be something that would be beneficial to making sure the public isn't duped by a few that intentionally leading them down one certain path, hatred for a specified group. Hatred against Iran and Muslims is more prevalent today than it is for Israel. The issues against Israel are geared towards trials that revolve around the legal/illegal use of the military against a civilian population, the 'media push' is against the 'enemies' of America and Israel. The same sort of claims that were made against Iraq being an 'immediate' danger to America are being pushed as being the 'truth' and nobody is 'demanding' more details to verify the statements as being the truth.
What difference is there when nothing happened the last time an investigation showed the 'fats' were 'known lies'.
Monetary compensation (back some decades for the Arabs)) trials would come after the criminal cases. A wrongful death suit is easier to win if criminal charges also have a guilty verdict attached to a 'needless/preventable' death. The big question is who pays the Palestinians should they win such a judgment? Perhaps some of the 33 countries that voted to support the Balfour Declaration would be willing to pick up the tab. That can just be added to the overall cost of not questioning the Government when they make statements that are designed to enrage the public. Germany and Poland in the '20's and '30's and '40's is easier to research that Egypt in 2500BC and even the 'established' view is being questioned and gaining acceptance even though the one who hold the 'official view' can and do restrict the 'other side' from doing as much investigation as possible in areas that would be considered to be 'remote and deserted' for all intensive purposes.
WWII isn't that far in the past that we can be very far off track as far as having accurate knowledge about the events that took place that resulted in their being camps for civilians. Giving the Jews a 'protected space' doesn't mean the others that were also rounded up are as safe today as they could be from persecution.
The civilians in various parts of Africa would seem to be the ones who are under the most stress from a corrupt Gov. That does mean to imply their plight is worse than the civilians under military occupation, only that it is reported the least of all as far as the West is concerned.
Today Germany is paying millions of dollars a year to the holocaust survivors that were slaves in the German factories during World War Two.
Does a website justify having nukes pointed at you? Certainly you know Israel has real ones already pointed at various targets in Iran, that would include civilian only targets.
If Greenland points a nuke at Canada we have the right to install something that will defend us against that sort of attack. Iran would be harming themselves by setting off a n-bomb upwind. Their way to 'win' is to have a strong defense inside their own borders, having to nuke yourself is not a very effective method to win anything.
How do Americans feel about Israeli settlers in the 'occupied territories' getting cash from the American Evangelicans that are tax-exempt while the same sorts of 'gifts' are withheld from the victims of natural/unnatural disasters in the US? The price tag is mostly passed onto the tax-payer with/without their consent. The push in the media is to accept that and perhaps even chip in even more if at all possible.