B.P.'s Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Thread (it's all here).....

[captain morgan]

Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

The Dems didn't have any problem laying the blame for Katrina directly at the feet of Bush and that was entirely a natural (cause) disaster... Obama, is now in the same position although, in part, his admin was responsible for easing regulations.

It's a 2-way street JLM. The Dems were short-sighted and now it's come back to bite them in the ass.

 

[JLM]

Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

The Dems didn't have any problem laying the blame for Katrina directly at the feet of Bush and that was entirely a natural (cause) disaster... Obama, is now in the same position although, in part, his admin was responsible for easing regulations.

It's a 2-way street JLM. The Dems were short-sighted and now it's come back to bite them in the ass.

Yep, sometimes when you bow to pressures, it doesn't work out. Especially if the pressures are wrongly motivated. :smile:

 

[captain morgan]

Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

You stated that in terms that are far more complimentary and understanding.

Politics is dirty and founded on hypocrisy, faulty logic and lies - doesn't amtter what party or political stripe.

The friction that Obama is experiencing now is a function of his own (and his party's) earlier stupidity, no different than Bush and the Reps from teh previous admin..

 

[JLM]

Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

You stated that in terms that are far more complimentary and understanding.

Politics is dirty and founded on hypocrisy, faulty logic and lies - doesn't amtter what party or political stripe.

The friction that Obama is experiencing now is a function of his own (and his party's) earlier stupidity, no different than Bush and the Reps from teh previous admin..

I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in that before he made such a decision he would have consulted experts in the field. A person in his position has to rely on those "in the know". It's a little different from Bush's position regarding Katrina, which was something he had no control over UNTIL it happened, then he had much more control in remedying the disaster than the control Obama has over this. Completely different kettle of fish that can't be compared in any way.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

I'm curious, who recently relaxed those restrictions and begged the oil companies to drill the Gulf?..

Come to think of it, if memory serves - I believe it was Barak Obama

And what does that have to do with the current disaster?

 

[captain morgan]

Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

And what does that have to do with the current disaster?

Had the existing regulatory measures been in place let alone the more strict rules that Obama demanded be enacted as a part of his election rhetoric, this disaster never would have happened.

 

[TenPenny]

Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

 

[Mowich]

Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in that before he made such a decision he would have consulted experts in the field. A person in his position has to rely on those "in the know". It's a little different from Bush's position regarding Katrina, which was something he had no control over UNTIL it happened, then he had much more control in remedying the disaster than the control Obama has over this. Completely different kettle of fish that can't be compared in any way.

Well put, JLM.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

Exactly what was the president supposed to do? Don a diving suit and plug the leak himself? It is amazing how many situations created by previous administrations are being blamed on a president who wasn't even part in office when the background to the crisis was created. Or is there some document with Obama's signature on it giving BP permission to drill in the Gulf without safeguards?

The Dems didn't have any problem laying the blame for Katrina directly at the feet of Bush and that was entirely a natural (cause) disaster... Obama, is now in the same position although, in part, his admin was responsible for easing regulations.

It's a 2-way street JLM. The Dems were short-sighted and now it's come back to bite them in the ass.

So far as I know the Democrats did not blame Bush for Katrina. What they blamed him for was the complete mismanagement of the emergency measures designed to deal with the catastrophe. I suspect if you check your facts it was the go-for-the-throat American media that went after Bush initially and not the Democrats in Congress.

 

[JLM]

Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

I'm curious, who recently relaxed those restrictions and begged the oil companies to drill the Gulf?..

Come to think of it, if memory serves - I believe it was Barak Obama

It doesn't matter what decision anyone makes about anything- there are going to be situations/outcomes that are contrary to the plan - that's life, suck it up. Hindsight is 20/20. :lol::lol::lol:

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

Obama made some concessions with the GOP in order to get his legislative initiatives enacted. Of course, the oil rig in Louisiana had already been in place so that it was not impacted by anything he did.

Are you serious! Obama does not need to give the GOP ANY concessions. The GOP for the time being is outnumbered six way to Tuesday. The only thing they can do is fillibuster in the Senate. The Democrats do not need GOP votes to pass whatever they want.

Indeed that is the official Republican Party line, as expounded by Limbaugh and others. Obama caused the spill to happen and now he wants it to cause the maximum possible damage.
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Still have your head in the sand Joey?

The "political stupidity is unbelievable," Democratic strategist James Carville said on "Good Morning America" today. "The president doesn't get down here in the middle of this. ... I have no idea of why they didn't seize this thing. I have no idea of why their attitude was so hands off here."

But Carville said the Obama administration's response to the BP oil spill has been "lackadaisical," and that rather than place the blame on the previous administration, it should've done more to deal with BP and "inept bureaucrats," which would've in turn helped boost Obama's approval ratings.

"The president of the United States could've come down here, he could've been involved with the families of these 11 people" who died on the offshore rig, Carville said. "He could've demanded a plan in anticipation of this."

I guess James Carville... the mouth piece of the Democrats is now part of the Republican party.

What's for dinner tonight? Got your chores done?

Had the existing regulatory measures been in place let alone the more strict rules that Obama demanded be enacted as a part of his election rhetoric, this disaster never would have happened.

Exactly. He had plenty of time and this disaster was on his watch.

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

So far as I know the Democrats did not blame Bush for Katrina. What they blamed him for was the complete mismanagement of the emergency measures designed to deal with the catastrophe. I suspect if you check your facts it was the go-for-the-throat American media that went after Bush initially and not the Democrats in Congress.

The same thing is going on now. Nobody is blaming Obama for the actual incident, i.e not be able to control the pressure on the rig but his response and lack of oversight before hand. Just like Bush and Katrina... the levies and the response in the wake of Katrina. The left's and liberals short sightedness, as a previous poster stated, has come back to bite them.

 

[AnnaG]

Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

The same thing is going on now. Nobody is blaming Obama for the actual incident, i.e not be able to control the pressure on the rig but his response and lack of oversight before hand. Just like Bush and Katrina... the levies and the response in the wake of Katrina. The left's and liberals short sightedness, as a previous poster stated, has come back to bite them.

The last I read was that the explosion was caused by a high-pressure gas bubble bursting through a seal and being ignited. I can't see how that could be anyone's fault except perhaps the seal manufacturer's.

 

[AnnaG]

Re: US considers setting fire to Gulf of Mexico oil leak

Assume 20,000,000 barrels of oil a day coming out'a that leak,

That's physically impossible.

then break

that down to seconds & that's about 230 gallons a second. Last I heard, the
broken pipe is broken jagged on top, so a ball would have to fit into (& not
onto) the leak. That's a lot of pressure...

Picture try'n to drop a marble (even on on a string) into a garden hose when
the water is on already & the hose is pointing straight up vertically. It would
be tough.

It definitely wouldn't work anyway. Plug the pipe at a fracture and the pipe would simply fracture farther and spew anyway.

Someone mentioned on the radio today that freeing the oil flow is technically feasible and has been done before. Anyone ever heard of this?

Poor spelling. That should be freezing.

If I remember rightly, I think it would cease being viscous at something like -80° C.

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

The last I read was that the explosion was caused by a high-pressure gas bubble bursting through a seal and being ignited. I can't see how that could be anyone's fault except perhaps the seal manufacturer's.

Agreed. Last time I heard hurricanes were formed in N. Africa with warms winds blowing into the Atlantic and mixing with cooler air creating a swirling high pressure system. I can't see how that can be anyone's fault except Mother Nature.

 

[AnnaG]

Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

Agreed. Last time I heard hurricanes were formed in N. Africa with warms winds blowing into the Atlantic and mixing with cooler air creating a swirling high pressure system. I can't see how that can be anyone's fault except Mother Nature.

Right. The dismal response, however, is a human fault in each case.

 

[Avro]

Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

So people are surprised an American president screwed something up?

Don't be, they do it all the time.

 

[lone wolf]

Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

So ... is Obama going to be world hero if this cap thing works?

 

[Avro]

Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

So ... is Obama going to be world hero if this cap thing works?

That's like saying when and if New Orleans is ever back to normal is Bush off the hook?

The answer is no.

Computer models (enemy of deniers) say this crap could end up in Europe and the Atlantic coast.

 

[JLM]

Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

That's like saying when and if New Orleans is ever back to normal is Bush off the hook?

The answer is no.

Computer models (enemy of deniers) say this crap could end up in Europe and the Atlantic coast.

Bush was only about 5th or 6th on the list, ahead of him was LA. Gov. N.O. Mayor the top county official, emergency response officials- those guys are all there locally to deal with it, not 1000 miles away in Washington. At most Bush deserves about 5% of the blame.

Agreed. Last time I heard hurricanes were formed in N. Africa with warms winds blowing into the Atlantic and mixing with cooler air creating a swirling high pressure system. I can't see how that can be anyone's fault except Mother Nature.

You're absolutely right, all this rhetoric is just part of the softening up process (it takes months or even years for people to believe bullsh*t) but the interested parties want to make damn sure that when litigation comes up, down the road, everyone is ready for it and ready to accept it. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: