B.P.'s Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Thread (it's all here).....

AnnaG

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Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

That would not have stopped BP from continuing to drill. BP was drilling according to the regulations in existence when they started drilling.
How would you know what BP was doing? BP told you? How would you know if they weren't selling a bit of fertilizer when they told you.

Besides, how do you expect Obama to get any regulations passed in the Senate with Republican filibuster? Any regulatory measures have to be passed by the House and the Senate, and they will be filibustered in the senate by Republicans.
Good thing, too, apparently. He seems to be all for relaxing restrictions on oil exploration and drilling.

This operation is probably more complicated than putting a man on the moon. Lets hand out some credit for a change. There is some serious work going on by a lot of concerned people. BP, Obama, Republicans, you name it.
I doubt it's as complicatred, but I wouldn't doubt it is harder to deal with.

Quite so. I am surprised they can do anything at all at such a depth. However, all the more reason why much more thought should have gone into what would happen in the case of failure of the system, before permission was given to drill at such a depth.
That you are surprised is indicative of yourignorance of scientific knowledge in this area. Canadian companies happen to excel in the field of deep sea work.

Incidentally, I saw on CNN that it would be even more difficult higher up, where it is not so deep. If the well had been say 1000 ft deep. At large depth, the water is cold, so you don’t have to worry about adverse chemical reactions. Also, water is very calm at such depth, so operations can be carried out without worrying about currents.

Both these problems would be present further higher up. So if this had occurred at say 1000 ft depth, it would have been even more difficult to plug the leak.
A child could figure that out without having to hear it from a news agency.

When somebody does not provide any reference when asked for it, that only means that he hasn't got any.
And your rate of claim per support is something like 4,682,597:1. lmao

If somebody repeatedly asks me for the same references over and over again (when I have already provided them), I may give the same answer (and that has happened before). But I also provide at least one reference, with the advice to him that the rest he can find himself.
Most of the time though, you just post your opinion and claim it to be the facts without posting support. So what makes you any different than anyone else that posts without referencing a source?

But when somebody makes a statement of fact and cannot provide any references, that probably means that he hasn't got any (and he probably heard it on FOX or Rush Limbaugh).
So you listen to Limbaugh and Faux.



It was Bush and his 'no regulation is the only good regulation'
Reference for that quote, please.
Republican cronies who gave BP the permission to drill, without any proper safeguards.
No safeguards at all? Do you have a reference for that claim?

You will probably have to dig up the documents from years ago, when BP was given the permission to drill.
But you won't, right? So it's ok for yuou to make unsubstantiated claims, but not anyone else. Interesting.
However, knowing the Republican attitude towards regulation on businesses (they are against it), records probably would show that MMS at that time did not enquire too closely as to what kind of safeguards BP had in place to ensure that such a catastrophe does not occur (or what contingency plan they had made in case it did occur).
Links, please.
 

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Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

You will probably have to dig up the documents from years ago, when BP was given the permission to drill. However, knowing the Republican attitude towards regulation on businesses (they are against it), records probably would show that MMS at that time did not enquire too closely as to what kind of safeguards BP had in place to ensure that such a catastrophe does not occur (or what contingency plan they had made in case it did occur).


In other words, you have no idea. You're simply stating bizarre claims with no idea if they have any basis in fact.
 

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Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

In other words, you have no idea. You're simply stating bizarre claims with no idea if they have any basis in fact.

Isn't that general procedure on any topic? :lol::lol::lol:
 

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I only accepted notarized and sealed cut and pastes.
I won't cut and paste the entire blog, but if you follow this link, you'll see how one Louisiana Senator, formerly a Representative in the House, attempted to limit the extent of criminal law when dealing with oil spills. He also has recently introduced a bill to limit the cap on liability for the oil companies:
Flashback: In 2000, Vitter proposed legislation to reduce criminal liability of oil companies for spills Climate Progress
 

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I won't cut and paste the entire blog, but if you follow this link, you'll see how one Louisiana Senator, formerly a Representative in the House, attempted to limit the extent of criminal law when dealing with oil spills. He also has recently introduced a bill to limit the cap on liability for the oil companies:
Flashback: In 2000, Vitter proposed legislation to reduce criminal liability of oil companies for spills Climate Progress

Companies would just raise the prices on the consumer product that 'we' buy, no way they are going to take it out of the shareholders cut of the profits. BP is all set to shell out $10B to it's shareholders and nobody with any authority is saying squat about it.

http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/0...l-bill-could-dwarf-exxons-ivaldezi-91298.html
That is what led many analysts to use the Exxon Valdez as the barometer for what BP is likely to pay. Exxon paid more than $3.8 billion in cleanup and damage costs, plus about $500 million in punitive damages.

http://climateprogress.org/2010/05/27/exxon-valdez-bp-oil-disaste/
Exxon and BP’s broken record
Many would assume that BP—the company responsible for the Gulf Coast disaster—will cover the entire cost of cleanup. But we learned from the Exxon Valdez spill that the reality is very different:
The Exxon Valdez tanker spilled more than 11 million gallons of crude oil into Alaska’s Prince William Sound, which eventually contaminated approximately 1,300 miles of shoreline. The total costs of Exxon Valdez, including both cleanup and also “fines, penalties and claims settlements,” ran as much as $7 billion. Cleanup of the affected region alone cost at least $2.5 billion, and much oil remains.
Yet Exxon made high profits even in the aftermath of the most expensive oil spill in history. They made $3.8 billion profit in 1989 and $5 billion in 1990. And this occurred while Exxon disputed cleanup costs nearly every step of the way.
Exxon fought paying damages and appealed court decisions multiple times, and they have still not paid in full. Years of fighting and court appeals on Exxon’s part finally concluded with a U.S. Supreme Court decision in 2008 that found that Exxon only had to pay $507.5 million of the original 1994 court decree for $5 billion in punitive damages. And as of 2009, Exxon had paid only $383 million of this $507.5 million to those who sued, stalling on the rest and fighting the $500 million in interest owed to fishermen and other small businesses from more than 12 years of litigation.
Twenty years later, some of the original plaintiffs are no longer alive to receive, or continue fighting for, their damages. An estimated 8,000 of the original Exxon Valdez plaintiffs have died since the spill while waiting for their compensation as Exxon fought them in court.

Be interesting to know what the Lawyers for both sides made.
 
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Companies would just raise the prices on the consumer product that 'we' buy, no way they are going to take it out of the shareholders cut of the profits. BP is all set to shell out $10B to it's shareholders and nobody with any authority is saying squat about it.
Of course not. BP stands for Bigger Profits.
 

Tonington

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Where do you see that BP is about to pay $10 billion to shareholders? The articles I've read have stated that they don't see how BP is going to be able to make dividend payouts...
 

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Where do you see that BP is about to pay $10 billion to shareholders? The articles I've read have stated that they don't see how BP is going to be able to make dividend payouts...
I heard that yesterday on CNN, and I think it is disgusting.
The BP people really don't seem to give a crap about what the consequences of the leak really are.
 

Kreskin

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Someone should start a registry where BP shareholders can donate their dividends to the clean up.
 

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Yeah, right. How many BP shareholders do you think will contribute to it? I have a small BP holding (275 shares), I am not contributing a penny.
That is about what they will be worth shortly. Perhaps he should have put a lol at the end of his sentence. lol
 

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Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

In other words, you have no idea. You're simply stating bizarre claims with no idea if they have any basis in fact.

I have got a solid basis in fact. When Republicans were in power, they ignored most of the regulations on businesses and refused to enforce them. As Gorsuch, head of EPA bragged (if you had bothered to read the opening post of the thread by me), when she was in charge, clean water regulations by EPA were cut down from 6 inches thick to 1/4 inch thick. Republicans have a solid track record of ignoring business regulations and not enforcing them.

Based upon the track record of Republicans, it is an educated guess. If you don't like it, that is not my problem.
 

SirJosephPorter

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I won't cut and paste the entire blog, but if you follow this link, you'll see how one Louisiana Senator, formerly a Representative in the House, attempted to limit the extent of criminal law when dealing with oil spills. He also has recently introduced a bill to limit the cap on liability for the oil companies:
Flashback: In 2000, Vitter proposed legislation to reduce criminal liability of oil companies for spills Climate Progress

I think this is the same Vitter who was caught in a sex scandal a while ago. Anti-environmentalism and sexual hypocrisy. A typical Bible Belt Republican.

Companies would just raise the prices on the consumer product that 'we' buy, no way they are going to take it out of the shareholders cut of the profits. BP is all set to shell out $10B to it's shareholders and nobody with any authority is saying squat about it.

Nobody has any authority to tell BP how much they may give out as dividend (except the board of directors of BP).
 

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The Blame Game serves no purpose except for those with their own agendas because the damage has been done.