B.P.'s Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Thread (it's all here).....

[SirJosephPorter]

Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

Are you serious! Obama does not need to give the GOP ANY concessions. The GOP for the time being is outnumbered six way to Tuesday. The only thing they can do is fillibuster in the Senate. The Democrats do not need GOP votes to pass whatever they want.

that is total nonsense. You yourself admit that Republicans can filibuster any and every legislation in the Senate. And in the next sentence you claim that Democrats don't need Republican votes?

The fact, is Republicans are filibustering absolutely everything in the Senate, that is why Democrats cannot get anything passed. Republicans opposed financial sector reform (I would hope Democrats make this an issue in the election, that Republicans are in the pocket of Wall Street). Democrats were lucky to get a couple of Republican senators on board, so that Republican filibuster failed.

But nothing gets passed in the senate without Repulbican support.

Had the existing regulatory measures been in place let alone the more strict rules that Obama demanded be enacted as a part of his election rhetoric, this disaster never would have happened.

That would not have stopped BP from continuing to drill. BP was drilling according to the regulations in existence when they started drilling.

Besides, how do you expect Obama to get any regulations passed in the Senate with Republican filibuster? Any regulatory measures have to be passed by the House and the Senate, and they will be filibustered in the senate by Republicans.

 

[ironsides]

Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

that is total nonsense. You yourself admit that Republicans can filibuster any and every legislation in the Senate. And in the next sentence you claim that Democrats don't need Republican votes?

The fact, is Republicans are filibustering absolutely everything in the Senate, that is why Democrats cannot get anything passed. Republicans opposed financial sector reform (I would hope Democrats make this an issue in the election, that Republicans are in the pocket of Wall Street). Democrats were lucky to get a couple of Republican senators on board, so that Republican filibuster failed.

But nothing gets passed in the senate without Repulbican support.



That would not have stopped BP from continuing to drill. BP was drilling according to the regulations in existence when they started drilling.

Besides, how do you expect Obama to get any regulations passed in the Senate with Republican filibuster? Any regulatory measures have to be passed by the House and the Senate, and they will be filibustered in the senate by Republicans.

So say the liberal democratic left for their failure to get anything past. When you have no public support it is hard to get even your own colleagues to back you.

 

[Tonington]

BP's shoreline photos

Boston Globe's shoreline photos

YouTube - Ocean currents likely to carry oil to Atlantic

 

[Kreskin]

This operation is probably more complicated than putting a man on the moon. Lets hand out some credit for a change. There is some serious work going on by a lot of concerned people. BP, Obama, Republicans, you name it.

 

[gopher]

"This topic should be nuked"

The Obama haters can't help themselves. Hate is such a great motivator for those lying losers.

 

[Tonington]

Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

Unfortunately, that's the way politics works... But it doesn't change the fact that it was the Obama admin that eased those safe-guards.

For those of us who don't know which safeguards those are, could you list them for us? Or point to a post in here that specified the restrictions in question which were eased. At this point in the news cycle now, the top 10 pages of google return pages relevant to the restrictions in place after this disaster, and not before.

 

[captain morgan]

Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

For those of us who don't know which safeguards those are, could you list them for us?

The easing of regulations in direct relation to drilling in the the US jurisdiction.

You can spell... Look it up

 

[Tonington]

Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

The easing of regulations in direct relation to drilling in the the US jurisdiction.

You can spell... Look it up

No, I got you the first time. I just can't find anything to back up what you're saying, so I thought I'd go to the horses mouth.

Point it out on this return of a google search if it pops out at you:
Google

 

[gopher]

Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

For those of us who don't know which safeguards those are, could you list them for us? Or point to a post in here that specified the restrictions in question which were eased. At this point in the news cycle now, the top 10 pages of google return pages relevant to the restrictions in place after this disaster, and not before.

Good question. I would like to know what those lapses were since even the Fox network hasn't listed any on any of their broadcasts.

 

[Tonington]

I mean I can see that he was planning on opening up more areas to drilling, but that's not easing safeguards. Am I wrong to ask for references? Cripes. That's twice in the last week that I've asked for references from posters here only to have them tell me to find them myself....

Is the world going mad or what?! I can just imagine writing a paper for scholarly publication, or making an argument to a judge, and not having references in hand...that's just insanity.

 

[JLM]

This operation is probably more complicated than putting a man on the moon. Lets hand out some credit for a change. There is some serious work going on by a lot of concerned people. BP, Obama, Republicans, you name it.

I'll give you 67%. I watched the situation on C.N.N. tonight. B.P. paid $50 million for an ad to make themselves look good, but not a penny to displaced workers or for cleaning up wildlife. The C.E.O. is apparently still being paid $12 thousand a day.

 

[Kreskin]

Their PR department can't cap the well and their ads don't take away what is being done at ground zero. I doubt there is an operation on the planet that is any more complicated than capping this well.

 

[JLM]

Their PR department can't cap the well and their ads don't take away what is being done at ground zero. I doubt there is an operation on the planet that is any more complicated than capping this well.

That sure doesn't make them look very good does it? So what you are saying is they embarked upon this venture without a clue to the downside or an inkling of how to fix it. B.P. made several $BILLION in the first quarter of this year. That money obviously doesn't correlate to their knowledge of the operation. :x:x

 

[Kreskin]

It doesn't take much to get bad press in the corporate world. Heck, look around this forum to see all the negativity about anything and everything, often for no reason at all or complete bunk. All one needs to be is a corporation or a government body. That's enough to get blamed for every problem there is, about anything.

Capping a gusher a mile below sea level can't be easy, yet every day they've got some new contraption down there. That doesn't happen with people sitting on their hands doing nothing. I saw a news byte today that had the US military saying the problem was beyond it's capability. People at NASA are trying to figure it a solution.

If we're so convinced that everyone that is associated with anything is bad then we better look in the mirror and make the same judgement. We're all people.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

The same thing is going on now. Nobody is blaming Obama for the actual incident, i.e not be able to control the pressure on the rig but his response and lack of oversight before hand. Just like Bush and Katrina... the levies and the response in the wake of Katrina. The left's and liberals short sightedness, as a previous poster stated, has come back to bite them.

Let me see. So Obama was the one that gave BP permission to drill and set up the existing drilling regulations? According to news reports BP applied to drill in February 2009 using a rig that had been in operation in the Gulf of Mexico since 2001. I am not sure how a president who took power in the same month as BP applied to drill would have any influence in the operation of a regulatory agency that was created long before he was elected.

 

[JLM]

Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

Let me see. So Obama was the one that gave BP permission to drill and set up the existing drilling regulations? According to news reports BP applied to drill in February 2009 using a rig that had been in operation in the Gulf of Mexico since 2001. I am not sure how a president who took power in the same month as BP applied to drill would have any influence in the operation of a regulatory agency that was created long before he was elected.

You have the idea. People seem to think that Obama is sitting in a control tower high above the earth somewhere where he'd be watching every move every American and foreigner is making. I'll bet the truth is that Obama had no idea how many oil rigs were working, where they were working and who owned them. NO doubt somewhere there would be some regulations in writing and probably signed by some president - maybe Rutherford Hayes.....................:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: with something scratched out and changed and intialed by Truman.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

So say the liberal democratic left for their failure to get anything past. When you have no public support it is hard to get even your own colleagues to back you.

Public support has nothing to do with it. Polls indicate that more than 60% Americans support the Financial Sector Reform. That didn't stop Republicans from filibustering it (that is why I hope Democrats make an issue of it in the next election, it is bound to be a vote loser for Republicans).

This operation is probably more complicated than putting a man on the moon. Lets hand out some credit for a change. There is some serious work going on by a lot of concerned people. BP, Obama, Republicans, you name it.

Quite so. I am surprised they can do anything at all at such a depth. However, all the more reason why much more thought should have gone into what would happen in the case of failure of the system, before permission was given to drill at such a depth.

Incidentally, I saw on CNN that it would be even more difficult higher up, where it is not so deep. If the well had been say 1000 ft deep. At large depth, the water is cold, so you don’t have to worry about adverse chemical reactions. Also, water is very calm at such depth, so operations can be carried out without worrying about currents.

Both these problems would be present further higher up. So if this had occurred at say 1000 ft depth, it would have been even more difficult to plug the leak.

Is the world going mad or what?! I can just imagine writing a paper for scholarly publication, or making an argument to a judge, and not having references in hand...that's just insanity.

When somebody does not provide any reference when asked for it, that only means that he hasn't got any.

If somebody repeatedly asks me for the same references over and over again (when I have already provided them), I may give the same answer (and that has happened before). But I also provide at least one reference, with the advice to him that the rest he can find himself.

But when somebody makes a statement of fact and cannot provide any references, that probably means that he hasn't got any (and he probably heard it on FOX or Rush Limbaugh).

Let me see. So Obama was the one that gave BP permission to drill and set up the existing drilling regulations? According to news reports BP applied to drill in February 2009 using a rig that had been in operation in the Gulf of Mexico since 2001. I am not sure how a president who took power in the same month as BP applied to drill would have any influence in the operation of a regulatory agency that was created long before he was elected.

It was Bush and his 'no regulation is the only good regulation' Republican cronies who gave BP the permission to drill, without any proper safeguards.

 

[TenPenny]

Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

It was Bush and his 'no regulation is the only good regulation' Republican cronies who gave BP the permission to drill, without any proper safeguards.

I'm wondering what 'proper safeguards' BP was given permission to not use.

Anyone have a list?

 

[JLM]

Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

I'm wondering what 'proper safeguards' BP was given permission to not use.

Anyone have a list?

I think Bush is probably on record for doing enough bad sh*t without having to dredge up imaginary misdemeanors. :lol::lol::lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

I'm wondering what 'proper safeguards' BP was given permission to not use.

Anyone have a list?

You will probably have to dig up the documents from years ago, when BP was given the permission to drill. However, knowing the Republican attitude towards regulation on businesses (they are against it), records probably would show that MMS at that time did not enquire too closely as to what kind of safeguards BP had in place to ensure that such a catastrophe does not occur (or what contingency plan they had made in case it did occur).