Sixth Annual Israeli Apartheid Week

Are all human being entitled to fundamental human rights?

  • Yes, all people are entitled to food, clothing, shelter, medicine...

    Votes: 11 64.7%
  • No, only some people are entitled to human rights.

    Votes: 1 5.9%
  • Palestinians don't qualify as human beings.

    Votes: 5 29.4%

  • Total voters
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MHz

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, I did however catch that you believe I support Israel. Yes I do. It is a free democracy, where Muslims and Arabs are free to work, live and play, without fear of persecution.
Shirley Bear not all Israeli's find the Muslims and Arabs as lovable as you do.

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Moreover, it is written in Torah that this small land is a property of the Jewish people ONLY! And it is forbidden to let others live here permanently. It is also written in Books of Nevi'im (Books of the Prophets) that we were dismissed because we did not achieve this divine order! The Jewish people were dismissed and stayed outside their homeland for 2000 years. Now and after we have returned back to the land of Israel, as we were promised by Prophets; it is time for the Israeli people to achieve this divine order. So, we ask you to leave the land of Israel!!!
We say that in the point view of religion and to guarantee peace in Israel! We explain to you all the holy speech in both Qura'an and Torah. We think that when you understand that we do not hate you nor do we want to fight you because of your belief in Islam, you will come to understand the reason behind our determine to achieve the divine order! As Islam says, " There is no god but Allah. "
Here is the divine order. God told Moses:
Torah, 33 . 56-50
God talked to Moses on Moab regarding Jordan and Jericho saying:
Tell people of Israel that you will pass Jordan to the land of Canaanites.
So, you will dismiss all the inhabitants from there, will vanish all their statues and you will control all their heights.
You will own the land and live there because I gave you the land to possess and to divide it by lot regarding your tribes.
You should give more for the big tribes than the small tribes.
And if you did not dismiss the inhabitants, they would be thorns in your eyes and bodies and they would annoy you in the land you live on
And I will punish you the same way I wanted to punish them.
After you see the divine speech and because Islam is a religion of morals, and to avoid the Jews to possess another land, you must have no objection!! You have wide countries to live in!!! You must understand that we achieve the order written in Torah. Because it is not easy to leave millions of people without financial support, we suggest you to negotiate with "State of Israel" (which embodies the promise of prophets) to get economic aids to live wherever else!!!!
When we and you obey God, then we can live peacefully. We, you, our grandsons and your grandsons for a long time!!
As prophet Ichaaih said, " No nation holds the sword on the face of another nation and they no longer learn about war."
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Tomato, tomato.

And I couldn't care less what your opinion of grammar is. Given the fact that your commentary is of the lowest common denominator and all.

You sure can hate who ever you want, but the tripe you post, expressing a deep desire to see the Arab nations over run Israel and commit genocide. Ya, those would be illegal.

Have a nice day beav...

You belong in Israel Bear. Of course you won't be allowed to live in ninety-nine percent of the Jew only neighborhoods but what the hell you'll be with the ones you love.
 

Colpy

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Colpy I meant Israel should stop doing things that get them mentioned at the UN. It would seem that the more resolutions against you there are, the more inhumane you are.
Go ahead supply a list for all the 'bad' countries.

As I have stated repeatedly, I don't give a damn about the UN and its judgement, as the UN cares nothing for Human Rights........just look at the 2001 Durban Conference, or the UN Human Rights Council.

But, I will prove my point....Carleton University (hardly a hotbed of pro-Israel feeling) rates nations on a number of factors, including Human Rights........the lower the number, the better the record......

Here we go!!!:

Canada 1.97
USA 2.64
Israel 4.33
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Israel's rating is not so good, is it? But Oh oh

The nations surrounding Israel:

Jordan 6.70
Lebanon 6.85
Egypt 7.47
Syria 8.38

More of Israel's enemies in the ME:

Kuwait 6.33
UAE 6.85
Yemen 7.36
Saudi Arabia 7.90
Iran 8.09

Getting the idea?

Israel's human rights record is far from perfect........and miles ahead of the records of those countries that most viciously oppose her.....therefore Israel deserves our help and support.......and those of you out there that single out Israel for criticism need to re-think your preferences......

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he is against actions and policy of Israel not the people of Israel so how you can consider him as racist?
should we approve Israel's brutal and bloody actions ?

Millions of Jews, Israelis, Arabs, Canadians, Americans... people from all over the world are against what the government of Israel does to the people who had this misfortune of living on land some people think God gave to Jews. My main problem with these people is their belief that they are above international laws, treaties and conventions regarding human rights. I am disgusted by their willingness to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity to achieve their goals.

I agree with this Jewish group:

Jewish Voice for Peace
Mission Statement

Our Mission Statement

Jewish Voice for Peace members are inspired by Jewish tradition to work together for peace, social justice, equality, human rights, respect for international law, and a U.S. foreign policy based on these ideals. JVP opposes anti-Jewish, anti-Muslim, and anti-Arab bigotry and oppression. JVP seeks an end to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem; security and self-determination for Israelis and Palestinians; a just solution for Palestinian refugees based on principles established in international law; an end to violence against civilians; and peace and justice for all peoples of the Middle East.

Our Political Platform

Jewish Voice for Peace is a diverse and democratic community of activists inspired by Jewish tradition to work together for peace, social justice, and human rights. We support the aspirations of Israelis and Palestinians for security and self-determination.

We seek:

* A U.S. foreign policy based on promoting peace, democracy, human rights, and respect
for international law
* An end to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem
* A resolution of the Palestinian refugee problem consistent with international law and equity
* An end to all violence against civilians
* Peace among the peoples of the Middle East

We are among the many American Jews who say to the U.S. and Israeli governments: "Not in our names!"

JVP supports peace activists in Palestine and Israel, and works in broad coalition with other Jewish, Arab-American, faith-based, peace and social justice organizations.

I recommend their website:
Jewish Voice for Peace

Recent Campaigns:

Send letter: AIPAC doesn't speak for me

This week thousands of AIPAC members will tell Congress that the Obama administration is being too hard on Israel because Obama, Biden and Clinton dared to insist that Israel abide by international law and freeze settlement construction. Let Obama and Congress know the time for unconditional aid is over.

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Jewish Voice for Peace congratulates the UC Berkeley student Senate for the historic March 18 vote to divest from companies that profit from Israel's Occupation of Palestinian Territories. JVP supports the right of individuals and communities to use the divestment tool in order to bring their financial portfolios in line with their values and applauds the use of nonviolent strategies in order to bring about a change in US policy towards the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. [ Read More ]

The only democracy?

Midnight arrests. Defamation of human rights organizations. Expulsion of journalists. Human rights demonstrations broken up with violence. Censored films. Confiscated laptops. That's just a fraction of the reality on the ground in Israel/Palestine that stands in contrast to the official story about 'the only democracy in the Middle East.' That's why we're launching a new blog: The Only Democracy?

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I agree with this Israeli group:
B'TSELEM - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories was established in 1989 by a group of prominent academics, attorneys, journalists, and Knesset members. It endeavors to document and educate the Israeli public and policymakers about human rights violations in the Occupied Territories, combat the phenomenon of denial prevalent among the Israeli public, and help create a human rights culture in Israel.

B'Tselem in Hebrew literally means "in the image of," and is also used as a synonym for human dignity. The word is taken from Genesis 1:27 "And God created humans in his image. In the image of God did He create him." It is in this spirit that the first article of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that "All human beings are born equal in dignity and rights."

As an Israeli human rights organization, B'Tselem acts primarily to change Israeli policy in the Occupied Territories and ensure that its government, which rules the Occupied Territories, protects the human rights of residents there and complies with its obligations under international law.

B'Tselem is independent and is funded by contributions from foundations in Europe and North America that support human rights activity worldwide, and by private individuals in Israel and abroad.

B'Tselem - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories

Military Police to investigate killing of youths in 'Iraq Burin
On 20 March '10, soldiers killed two youths in 'Iraq Burin. Demonstrations had taken place in the village that day. B'Tselem's findings contradict the army's statement that the soldiers had shot only "rubber" bullets. In a rare step, the Military Police will investigate the incident
Gaza: Soldiers shoot Palestinian youth gathering wood
On 10 February 2010, soldiers shot Muhammad Subuh, 17, near the Gaza-Israel border, wounding him. Testimonies given to B'Tselem indicate that, while Subuh was gathering firewood, soldiers opened fire without warning and while their lives were not in danger. The shooting is consistent with previous reports of the existence of "death zones" that the army has established adjacent to the border.
B'Tselem condemns rocket fire at Israel
B'Tselem severely condemns the rocket fire at a civilian community in Israel, which today killed a Thai citizen who was working in the greenhouses of the Nativ Ha'asara Moshav. The Palestinian organizations responsible for firing the rockets openly declare that they intend to attack, among others, civilians. Attacks aimed at civilians are immoral and illegal, and the intentional killing of civilians is a grave breach under the Fourth Geneva Convention, a war crime.
Lenient sentence in Malul case appealed
Today (18 March '10), the military prosecution appealed the light punishment imposed on First Lt. Adam Malul last week for assaulting Palestinians, demanding he be demoted to private and sentenced to prison. B'Tselem welcomed the appeal against the sentence, which sanctioned the norm of violence against Palestinians in the OPT.
International Water Day: Chronic shortage in West Bank
The discriminatory division of the shared water resources infringes the Palestinians' right to water, to sanitation, and to health. Israel's policy also infringes the Palestinians' right to gain a livelihood, in that the water shortage prevents development of agriculture, one of the most important economic sectors in the West Bank.
Soldiers prevent filming in West Bank
Although the army states that filming in the Occupied Territories is permitted, B'Tselem's staff and volunteers have been harassed, and even assaulted, by soldiers and officers while filming in the West Bank. Repeated complaints to military officials have been to no avail.


B'Tselem - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories
I also agree with this group:
About Badil

BADIL Resource Center for Palestinian Residency and Refugee Rights is an independent, community-based non-profit organization mandated to defend and promote the rights of Palestinian refugees and IDPs. Our vision, missions, programs and relationships are defined by our Palestinian identity and the principles of international law, in particular international human rights law. We seek to advance the individual and collective rights of the Palestinian people on this basis.

BADIL Resource Center was established in January 1998 based on recommendations issued by a series of popular refugee conferences in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. BADIL is registered with the Palestinian Authority and legally owned by the refugee community represented by a General Assembly composed of activists in Palestinian national institutions and refugee community organizations.

Our work is implemented by two specialized units - campaign unit and resource unit -and guided by a Board, and supervised by an Oversight Committee, both of which are elected from the General Assembly.

BADIL has consultative status with UN ECOSOC, a framework partnership agreement with UNHCR, and is a member of the global Palestine Right-of-Return Coalition, al-Awda Right-to-Return Coalition (USA), BDS Campaign National Committee, HIC-Habitat International Coalition (Cairo), CRIN-Child Rights Information Network (UK), ICVA-International Council of Voluntary Agencies (Geneva), ICNP-International Coordinating Network on Palestine, OPGAI-Occupied Palestine and Syrian Golan Heights Advocacy Initiative, and PNGO-Palestinian NGO Network.

badil.org
I don't agree with injustice, oppression, violence, racism or intolerance.

Like the sites I referenced, I support justice and freedom which leads to peace and prosperity.
 
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I mean it all comes from the same place and he can tell the difference - What a waste of talent -
I was thinking he was just a waste.

Shirley Bear not all Israeli's find the Muslims and Arabs as lovable as you do.
I doubt they do.

And let me take this moment, that not only do I have a greater respect for selin, even though we have our differences. I find that despite her challenges with the English language, she is without a doubt head and shoulders above you in being able to articulate herself with confidence, tact, intelligence and wit.

It would serve you well to pay close attention to what she says, you may actually learn something, although I highly doubt it.

You belong in Israel Bear.
Thank You.

Of course you won't be allowed to live in ninety-nine percent of the Jew only neighborhoods but what the hell you'll be with the ones you love.
This a typical lie and myth spewed by your ilk. It just isn't supported by the facts. I would generally post them, but I've posted them so many times, only for you to ignore them, it's just become a waste of time on par with you.
 
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Millions of Jews, Israelis, Arabs, Canadians, Americans... people from all over the world are against what the government of Israel does to the people who had this misfortune of living on land some people think God gave to Jews. My main problems with these people are their believe that they are above international laws treaties and conventions and their willingness to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity to achieve their goals.

I agree with this Jewish group:

Jewish Voice for Peace
I agree with this Israeli group:


I also agree with this group:


I don't agree with injustice, oppression, violence, racism or intolerance.

Like the sites I referenced, I support justice, freedom and peace. People can follow the above links and judge these sites and me for themselves.

You are nothing but a hate filled parrot.
 

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Like the sites I referenced, I support justice, freedom and peace. People can follow the above links and judge these sites and me for themselves.

Please see post number 544.

If the above statement were true, Israel would be far down on your list of bad boys to be verbally spanked....but somehow with you it is usually the Jew that gets the paddle...

Why is that????
 

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Please see post number 544.

If the above statement were true, Israel would be far down on your list of bad boys to be verbally spanked....but somehow with you it is usually the Jew that gets the paddle...

Why is that????
I hope you're not holding your breath waiting for a reasoned response?
 

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And let me take this moment, that not only do I have a greater respect for selin, even though we have our differences. I find that despite her challenges with the English language, she is without a doubt head and shoulders above you in being able to articulate herself with confidence, tact, intelligence and wit.
Shirley Bear you will take the time to watch just another vid, part two is more with the demolition.
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Shirley Bear you will take the time to watch just another vid, part two is more with the demolition.
911.TV: 911 Mysteries Updated
911.TV: 911 Mysteries Updated 2
You want to put that in the appropriate thread mhz?

Again, please pay close attention to selin. I'm not holding my breath, but I am hoping you can pick up a few things. I mean even monkeys eventually learn how to mimic people.

Look at the beav!
 
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Perhaps as you disagree you should post a thread on Turks, Armenian and Kurds in the 1900's forward and how each looks upon the other and why they do. Most on these forums are willing to listen - Not all but most -

firstly, because of war and betrayals of armenian to their country standing by Russia in World War I, Ottomon Empire( not Turkey, it is a new Republic founded in 1923 ) decided those armenians emigrate from East Anatolia where those people slaughtered their Turk neighbours by the help of Russia .
but the armenians in Istanbul or other cities didn't emigrate, just those people in East to defend the country from those betrayals.

but some gangs of Kurds and also Turks who had lost their familys because of armanians attacked them while they were going to South (some of them died but the others were protected by Turkish Army who just arrived there .)
the numbers and event are exaggerated, of course but i admit that fact.

i cannot support what they did for just revenge but that was not a policy of Ottoman Empire , it was a rage and an attack of people who lost their everythings because of some armienians-unfortunately innocents were killed too.

it was in those times so we should evaluated that being aware of the conditions at those times-war , betrayals and uncontrolled vengeful people should be thought all together.

but Armenia isn't a real sufferer if it were so, the Hocalı SLAUGHTER of Azerbaijans by Armenia wouldn't have happened in 1992.

but really, i should say again that i don't bother talking about even a century-event before Turk Republic but some of you bother talking recent events .
it is bad , i couldn't save those from frustrated people because i am 23 years old and that was long years ago but i and we can save those people because the wars are going on and we just witness.

but how can you compare that thing with Israel's? Israel has a path and policy for slaughter and it happens in just these times for their interests with the permission of the state.

it should be discussed and thanks for giving me chance to talk about that topic.
 

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Colpy I meant Israel should stop doing things that get them mentioned at the UN. It would seem that the more resolutions against you there are, the more inhumane you are.
Go ahead supply a list for all the 'bad' countries.

So because everyone (majority) are against what you think, they are wrong. Might be time to reconsider your position. The UN is and never has been the last word. If they had supported Israel in the past we might not have the situation we now have. The UN was the ones who ran when confronted by Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser when he expelled the United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF) from the Sinai Peninsula in May 1967.

Israel cannot trust the UN, they cannot afford to lose even one war.
 

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As I have stated repeatedly, I don't give a damn about the UN and its judgement, as the UN cares nothing for Human Rights........just look at the 2001 Durban Conference, or the UN Human Rights Council.

But, I will prove my point....Carleton University (hardly a hotbed of pro-Israel feeling) rates nations on a number of factors, including Human Rights........the lower the number, the better the record......

Here we go!!!:

Canada 1.97
USA 2.64
Israel 4.33
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Israel's rating is not so good, is it? But Oh oh

The nations surrounding Israel:

Jordan 6.70
Lebanon 6.85
Egypt 7.47
Syria 8.38

More of Israel's enemies in the ME:

Kuwait 6.33
UAE 6.85
Yemen 7.36
Saudi Arabia 7.90
Iran 8.09

Getting the idea?

Israel's human rights record is far from perfect........and miles ahead of the records of those countries that most viciously oppose her.....therefore Israel deserves our help and support.......and those of you out there that single out Israel for criticism need to re-think your preferences......

Country Ranking Table 2007

I'm not sure I trust your numbers as they probably fail to take into account Israel's denial of food, medicine and water to millions of hungry, sick and thirsty people. Any rating system which fails to take into account Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity is incomplete, inaccurate and/or misleading.

If this report is accurate, then how many points did Israel get for using chemical weapons against civilians, UN shelters, schools and hospitals? How many points does Israel get for abducting civilians, including children and restraining them in pits next to tanks and artillery as they shell the relatives of their human shields? Were any points added to Israel's score for their rolling annexation of the West Bank, ethnic cleansing and building Jewish colonies over the ruins of people's lives.

I'm consistently against all war crimes and crimes against humanity regardless of who commits them. You support Israel's use of civilians as human shields, their use of chemical weapons against civilians. I'm curious if you support torture and murder in these other countries the same way you support Israel's use of torture and murder. I'm against state sanctioned torture and murder by any country.

Meanwhile this string is about Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity.

If you would like to be consistent and start new threads in support of these other countries' abysmal human rights records like you support Israel's abysmal human rights record, feel free. I'll consistently make posts which support human rights and oppose injustice and oppression.
 

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I'm not sure I trust your numbers as they probably fail to take into account Israel's denial of food, medicine and water to millions of hungry, sick and thirsty people. Any rating system which fails to take into account Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity is incomplete, inaccurate and/or misleading.
Deny and dismiss.

If this report is accurate, then how many points did Israel get for using chemical weapons against civilians, UN shelters, schools and hospitals? How many points does Israel get for abducting civilians, including children and restraining them in pits next to tanks and artillery as they shell the relatives of their human shields? Were any points added to Israel's score for their rolling annexation of the West Bank, ethnic cleansing and building Jewish colonies over the ruins of people's lives.
Discredit and nullify.

I'm consistently against all war crimes and crimes against humanity regardless of who commits them.
But you are not consistent in the amount of energy you spend in your condemnation.
You support Israel's use of civilians as human shields, their use of chemical weapons against civilians. I'm curious if you support torture and murder in these other countries the same way you support Israel's use of torture and murder. I'm against state sanctioned torture and murder.
But you justify it, condone it and ignore it consistently.

Meanwhile this string is about Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity.
True, so why haven't you acknowledge my acceptance of your challenge and my response to said challenge?

If you would like to be consistent and start new threads in support of these other countries' abysmal human rights records like you support Israel's abysmal human rights record, feel free. I'll consistently make posts which support human rights and oppose injustice and oppression.
Without the same furious contempt, the same level of energy and certainly not with the same content of disinformation.
 

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As I have stated repeatedly, I don't give a damn about the UN and its judgement, as the UN cares nothing for Human Rights........just look at the 2001 Durban Conference, or the UN Human Rights Council.

So back in '47 10 countries are told to happily accept a vote by 33 countries about what is about to happen to some land in the immediate vicinity, now 10 Nations vote against further investigations into Operation Cast Lead and about 100 vote for further investigation into the complaints and the UN, again, become a worthless entity until the US need some sanctions against somebody as a prelude to invasion.

But, I will prove my point....Carleton University (hardly a hotbed of pro-Israel feeling) rates nations on a number of factors, including Human Rights........the lower the number, the better the record......

Here we go!!!:

Canada 1.97
USA 2.64
Israel 4.33
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Israel's rating is not so good, is it? But Oh oh

The nations surrounding Israel:

Jordan 6.70
Lebanon 6.85
Egypt 7.47
Syria 8.38

More of Israel's enemies in the ME:

Kuwait 6.33
UAE 6.85
Yemen 7.36
Saudi Arabia 7.90
Iran 8.09

Getting the idea?

Israel's human rights record is far from perfect........and miles ahead of the records of those countries that most viciously oppose her.....therefore Israel deserves our help and support.......and those of you out there that single out Israel for criticism need to re-think your preferences......

Country Ranking Table 2007
How many have international hit-squads?
Iraq (8.37) is in a war an they have a lower score than Syria? lol

Wouldn't happen to have a break-down into lists would you? Something like this page
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