Apparently you needed more, from post #510
"It simply means history is written by the victors."
Israel - The Right to exist as a State?
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"It simply means history is written by the victors."
New york is full of rich jew's so Israel will always exist with the blessing of the USA.
I don't think it's right that the land was taken from the Palestinian people. The wall in Germany finally came down. That will probably not happen over there. Then again the first nations state their land was taken by the English and the French in Canada. They are slowly being compensated for it. The world is a different place than it was. In history conquered people were not given back what they lost. Israel is always a hot bed for trouble because of the religious beliefs. Iran wants to see them wiped off the map. It would not surprise me that one day the missils will start flying between Iran and Israel. It will be a problem for all of us if they go nuclear. The fallout will affect every one and of course the super powers will be picking sides to back. Lots of families can not even get along with their own relatives. I do not see anybody kissing and making up over there. One day a radical will get on the launch control panel. Or a terrorist group will let off a dirty bomb and make it look like Iran to get the ball rolling.
I don't think it's right that the land was taken from the Palestinian people. The wall in Germany finally came down. That will probably not happen over there. Then again the first nations state their land was taken by the English and the French in Canada. They are slowly being compensated for it. The world is a different place than it was. In history conquered people were not given back what they lost. Israel is always a hot bed for trouble because of the religious beliefs. Iran wants to see them wiped off the map. It would not surprise me that one day the missils will start flying between Iran and Israel. It will be a problem for all of us if they go nuclear. The fallout will affect every one and of course the super powers will be picking sides to back. Lots of families can not even get along with their own relatives. I do not see anybody kissing and making up over there. One day a radical will get on the launch control panel. Or a terrorist group will let off a dirty bomb and make it look like Iran to get the ball rolling.
No wonder you have no links for that post. lol
Seems to me when those Nations (in the last 50 years) were at their most brutal when it had something to do (help)with US involvement. That would include doing things like being the financiers of the acid-throwers of the mid 70's in Afghanistan. Iran is still fighting the war of independence from the US. Close examination says locusts are in fact a lot of little nibblers. That she bristles with gun barrels sort of takes away from that "Peace unto this House" feeling, the perverted version says "This House Into Pieces". Being above all condemnation while all other "Nations" are always 'short of the mark' (according to their standards. Like when the UN presents their representative with a 'poll' that says "stop right now, or else ......." and voted on by independent Nations.
No, I know a fair amount about Israel, but the difference between you and I is that I am unwilling to give their flaws a pass because of who or what surrounds them.
Huh?
Talk about your stream of consciousness. Oh well, I've been there.
Let's start at your beginning.
"New york is full of rich jew's so Israel will always exist with the blessing of the USA." Your point? The Gulf States are full of Arab oil and a bunch of guys who have no problem spending it either on original oil paintings of Elvis,racing camels or bombs aimed at Israel - take your pick.
And to play the devils advocate, your statement, "In history conquered people were not given back what they lost.". Um, who lost the 6 day war? Quite frankly, if the Israelis had been the rat bags you seem to think they are, they would have knocked down the Al Aqsa mosque, that was built over top of the Temple.Didn't do it, did they?
Oh, your remark, "Or a terrorist group will let off a dirty bomb and make it look like Iran to get the ball rolling.?" Seems to me that the leader of Iran has been quite clear about what he wants to do. Blow Israel/Jews off the map - not to mention all those other damned Djimmi bastards who actually think that them damned wimmen have rights ...
Sorry Bud, seeing how I'm one of those female djimmis that your esteemed Iranian leader would think to be deserving of 'correction'. When it comes to the Middle East, I'd rather go with the Israelis. Even women have been escaping to Israel from the most liberal Jordan, to Israel.Seems the rapacious Jews are a safe haven for those poor females who are accused by their families of being *****s. Seems Israel is the one place they can find sanctuary. Good grief - those Israelis - despicable!
Colpy won't have any probs reading it. For him it should just be a series of updates on a few topics. Goober will be back any minute.
EAO
Canada withdrew monetary support to UNWRA - About time - Canada will oversee directly where the monies go.
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/01/28/gaza-hamas-report-whitewashes-war-crimes
New York) - Hamas's latest claim that its rocket attacks against Israel are not war crimes is factually and legally wrong, Human Rights Watch said today.On January 27, 2010, Hamas authorities in Gaza released the summary of an internal report that tried to clear itself and other Palestinian armed groups of laws-of-war violations during last year's hostilities with Israel. The report says that rocket attacks into Israel only targeted military objectives, and that civilian casualties were an unintended result."Hamas can spin the story and deny the evidence, but hundreds of rockets rained down on civilian areas in Israel where no military installations were located," said Joe Stork, deputy Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. "Hamas leaders at the time indicated they were intending to harm civilians."
Since 2001, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups in Gaza have fired thousands of rockets deliberately or indiscriminately at civilian areas in Israel.
The head of the UN administration in the West Bank and Gaza admits Hamas members are on his payroll. Media outlets ignore it.
Peter Hansen (pictured at right), Commissioner-General of the UN agency in Gaza and the West Bank, made a startling admission in an interview with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation on Monday (10/4)
:I am sure that there are Hamas members on the UNRWA payroll and I don't see that as a crime... we do not do political vetting and exclude people from one persuasion as against another.With this statement, Hansen verified what Israel has long contended ― the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), rather than performing a neutral humanitarian role in Palestinian regions, is actually infested with terrorists who use international funds and UN safe havens to facilitate attacks on Israeli civilians.Hansen attempted to draw a distinction between UN employees who identify with Hamas 'politically,' as opposed to 'militant' Hamas members, but that distinction has been categorically rejected by the United States and the European Union, both of which blacklist all branches of Hamas, and freeze all Hamas assets, without exception.Despite the gravity of this matter, Hansen's admission that Hamas members are on the UN payroll has ― as of now ― received scant media attention. The Associated Press, for example, buried Hansen's statement in an article that focused primarily on IDF air strikes, and the New York Times has yet to even acknowledge Hansen's admission.Another reason to disband the UNWRA - How UNRWA Supports Hamas - inFocus Quarterly Journal
Supporting the Hamas Platform
UNRWA does not seem to have a problem with Hamas' Islamist agenda.
It has not condemned the brutal Hamas violence that enabled the terrorist group to take the Gaza Strip by force in June. UNRWA waited to see who would win the battle, then immediately indicated to Hamas that it was eager to get back to providing its services.UNRWA only appears to be concerned with its own survival and continued funding.
As AbuZayd recently said after the Hamas takeover, "we are not scared. Donor countries have not in any way said they will stop their aid to UNRWA. On the contrary, we were approached by many of these countries, even Israel, asking us to continue our services to Palestinian refugees and perhaps even extend these services to do things we haven't done before."As long as it can continue to feed refugees, UNRWA does not appear to be scared of Hamas' terrorist agenda, either. Professor Rashid Khalidi, a noted Hamas apologist at Columbia University, explains that UNRWA employs, "members of different political groups such as… Hamas and Islamic Jihad, without reference to their belonging to a specific group."
Get facts right.
" In Israel, Jews go to Hebrew schools and Arabs, most of the time, to Arab schools. Some parents, however, are refusing this segregation and founding bilingual schools. Across the country there are five of these schools, in which Jewish and Arab children study together in both Hebrew and Arabic, in a spirit of equality."
Israel: When Arab and Jewish kids go to the same school | Israel | Culture et politique en Méditerranée: information et identité Méditerranéennes avec Babelmed
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Here it is - You use a Jew as so called cover -You are blatantly Anti -Isreal- Anti Jew -
Post 22Canaduh
Quoting petros
If Israel has the right to kill for their land what is keeping the original North Americans from puttting you or I in a blue UN casket without facing criminal charges?Canaduh
The Native American "holocaust" happened before the media could latch onto it, not to mention the fact they dont own the media like the jews do. Every time the Israels do something or someone speaks out against them they play the holocaust get out of jail free card.
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I would have expected the 65th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz to get far less coverage than the 65th anniversary of D-Day, the end of WW II or even the second anniversary of Israel's ongoing Gaza blockade/crime against humanity. The holocaust gets more news coverage now than when it was happening.
I would agree that the holocaust is an important historical event, but that's not why it gets so much news coverage. I'm inclined to agree with Canaduh's and Finklestein's observations regarding the constant and overwhelming Holocaust news coverage.
Its being used as cover for Israeli atrocities.
Here it is - You use a Jew as so called cover -You are blatantly Anti -Isreal- Anti Jew -
Post 22Canaduh
Quoting petros
If Israel has the right to kill for their land what is keeping the original North Americans from puttting you or I in a blue UN casket without facing criminal charges?Canaduh
The Native American "holocaust" happened before the media could latch onto it, not to mention the fact they dont own the media like the jews do. Every time the Israels do something or someone speaks out against them they play the holocaust get out of jail free card.
Post 42
I would have expected the 65th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz to get far less coverage than the 65th anniversary of D-Day, the end of WW II or even the second anniversary of Israel's ongoing Gaza blockade/crime against humanity. The holocaust gets more news coverage now than when it was happening.
I would agree that the holocaust is an important historical event, but that's not why it gets so much news coverage. I'm inclined to agree with Canaduh's and Finklestein's observations regarding the constant and overwhelming Holocaust news coverage.
Its being used as cover for Israeli atrocities.
The United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict report has been endorsed by the UN Human Rights Council and will be debated in the UN General Assembly in March 2010. Time is running out for the Israeli and Palestinian government to investigate and bring their war criminals to justice. If endorsed by the UN, the report will go to the International Criminal Court where Israeli and Palestinian leaders could be charged with war crimes. If the ICC names names, then all UN member states including Canada have an obligation to arrest and deport alleged war criminals to the Hague where they will face charges.
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They first have to be charged do they not - or is that point overlooked by you??
I am sure that these indicted War Criminals will not be welcomed as well as Arab Countries welcomed the President of Sudan.
Even YOU have to admit the UN Rights Council is a very, very bad joke.
The ICC can charge whomever it likes........although I doubt it will.
The ICC pressing charges would simply discredit the ICC in the eyes of much of the world........it is an idiot's idea to begin with........
EAO
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/sudanese-president-could-face-genocide-charges-after-icc-reverses-ruling-20100203
Sudanese President could face genocide charges after ICC reverses ruling
President Bashir has travelled outside Sudan following the ICC charges but has not been arrested© APGraphicsBank03-Feb-10Amnesty International reiterated its call on the Sudanese authorities to arrest President Omar al Bashir immediately, after the International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague today reversed a ruling that held that there was insufficient evidence to charge the Sudanese President with genocide in Darfur.The ICC issued an arrest warrant for crimes against humanity and war crimes in March 2009 against President Bashir, but did not include genocide charges because the court's Pre-Trial Chamber applied too high a standard of proof to the evidence. ICC Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo today won his appeal against the Pre-Trial Chamber's ruling."The ICC Prosecutor was asked to prove that the only reasonable inference from the evidence he presented was that the President was responsible for genocide," said Christopher Keith Hall, Senior Legal Adviser at Amnesty International. "In effect, this was requiring the Prosecutor to prove him guilty - something that can only be done at trial.""The Pre-Trial Chamber must now reassess the evidence against President Bashir to decide whether it can charge him with genocide," said Christopher Keith Hall.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/45790
Defying International Criminal Court, Arab Leaders Welcome Sudan’s PresidentMonday, March 30, 2009By Patrick Goodenough, International EditorQatari leader Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani welcomes Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir at Doha airport on Sunday, March 29, 2009. (AP Photo)(CNSNews.com) – U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Monday was scheduled to address a gathering of Arab leaders despite the presence of Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir, whose participation in the meeting in Qatar is in defiance of an international arrest warrant.Bashir’s visit to the Gulf state for the two-day Arab League summit is his fourth foreign trip since the International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague on March 4 formally accused him of war crimes and crimes against humanity in his country's Darfur region, issuing its first arrest warrant for a presiding head of state.The governments that have hosted him – Eritrea, Egypt, Libya and now Qatar – oppose the ICC warrant as does the 22-member Arab League, although three of its members, Jordan, Djibouti and Comoros, are parties to the convention that established the ICC, the Rome Statute.Countries that are parties to the Rome Statute are obliged to arrest ICC indictees in their jurisdiction.
Most of the remaining members of the Arab League have signed, but not yet ratified, the Rome Statute. As such, argue international law advocates, they are obliged under well-established international convention to “refrain from acts which would defeat the object and purpose” of the statute.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/sudanese-president-could-face-genocide-charges-after-icc-reverses-ruling-20100203
Sudanese President could face genocide charges after ICC reverses ruling
President Bashir has travelled outside Sudan following the ICC charges but has not been arrested© APGraphicsBank03-Feb-10Amnesty International reiterated its call on the Sudanese authorities to arrest President Omar al Bashir immediately, after the International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague today reversed a ruling that held that there was insufficient evidence to charge the Sudanese President with genocide in Darfur.The ICC issued an arrest warrant for crimes against humanity and war crimes in March 2009 against President Bashir, but did not include genocide charges because the court's Pre-Trial Chamber applied too high a standard of proof to the evidence. ICC Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo today won his appeal against the Pre-Trial Chamber's ruling."The ICC Prosecutor was asked to prove that the only reasonable inference from the evidence he presented was that the President was responsible for genocide," said Christopher Keith Hall, Senior Legal Adviser at Amnesty International. "In effect, this was requiring the Prosecutor to prove him guilty - something that can only be done at trial.""The Pre-Trial Chamber must now reassess the evidence against President Bashir to decide whether it can charge him with genocide," said Christopher Keith Hall.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/45790
Defying International Criminal Court, Arab Leaders Welcome Sudan’s PresidentMonday, March 30, 2009By Patrick Goodenough, International EditorQatari leader Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani welcomes Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir at Doha airport on Sunday, March 29, 2009. (AP Photo)(CNSNews.com) – U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Monday was scheduled to address a gathering of Arab leaders despite the presence of Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir, whose participation in the meeting in Qatar is in defiance of an international arrest warrant.Bashir’s visit to the Gulf state for the two-day Arab League summit is his fourth foreign trip since the International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague on March 4 formally accused him of war crimes and crimes against humanity in his country's Darfur region, issuing its first arrest warrant for a presiding head of state.The governments that have hosted him – Eritrea, Egypt, Libya and now Qatar – oppose the ICC warrant as does the 22-member Arab League, although three of its members, Jordan, Djibouti and Comoros, are parties to the convention that established the ICC, the Rome Statute.Countries that are parties to the Rome Statute are obliged to arrest ICC indictees in their jurisdiction.
Most of the remaining members of the Arab League have signed, but not yet ratified, the Rome Statute. As such, argue international law advocates, they are obliged under well-established international convention to “refrain from acts which would defeat the object and purpose” of the statute.