From what I can see, almost anyone is eligible for parole in Canada after 25 years. That to me that is not life, you should atleast have life without parole for certain crimes if you are against the death penalty.
It's time to bring the death penalty back!
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The nasty criminals never make it out with all biological systems functioning fully. ECT takes care of that nicely.
There one thing that is worse than death that is never being able to feel love and all the enjoyable emotional and physical pleasures that go along with it only being left with emotions of misery left intact.
ECT and chemical castration have come a long way.
I'd rather have someone live in an emotional and physical hell than give them the mercy of death.
Death isn't cruel enough.
"I'd rather have someone live in an emotional and physical hell than give them the mercy of death.
Death isn't cruel enough."
That is very interesting (and I think has a lot of merit), but it's ironic- people criticise my preferences stating them to be draconian and driven by spite and revenge. I guess the more things differ the more similar they are. (If that makes sense)
Death isn't cruel enough."
That is very interesting (and I think has a lot of merit), but it's ironic- people criticise my preferences stating them to be draconian and driven by spite and revenge. I guess the more things differ the more similar they are. (If that makes sense)
Three is a problem with that argument. The criminal may or may not murder again, we don’t know that. That is iffy. However, when the state executes the murderer, the state is taking the life of its own citizen, and that is wrong.
Indeed, where does it end? How about a serial rapist? He may well go out and rape again, should we put him to death? How about a swindler like Bernie Madoff? He swindled people out of billions of dollars, I am sure at least some of them killed themselves. In so, Madoff is guilty of murder as sure as if he had pulled the trigger. Should we put people like Madoff to death?
If we are going to kill a murderer so that he won’t offend again, why not give the same treatment to serial rapists and other criminals/
Well then, perhaps I should not go on a vacation. Next vacation I am taking is two weeks in August (I am going to Buxton, U.K. for Gilbert and Sullivan Festival). Let us see what happens while I am gone.
In Canada, life without parole usually means 25 years, after 25 years they are considered for parole. That doesn’t’ mean that parole will be granted. I don’t see any possibility of murderers like Bernardo or Olsen ever getting parole.
August is a safe month to go, we shall see what happens after November 2nd.
As to life without parole, the fact that someone is even eligible after serving 25 years is what is wrong.
I'd hate to see a map of your thought process, because it's rather odd. You keep leaving out bits and changing your thoughts.
If I understand what you might be trying to say is that multiple murderers should be executed so that they don't commit more murders. But this means that the second, third, etc, victim are not important.
No, my thougth process is quite straight forward- I haven't changed anything. :lol:
That is for the governments to decide, it is the policy formulated by the governments. I don't think the courts would care one way or the other.
SirJP, I do believe you went off on a tangent there! The argurment to which you refer was about the worst (of the worst) murderers, those without remorse and likely to offend again.
I have no idea why you introduced the subject of the death penalty for rapists and swindlers. It wasn't one of those Freudian slips, was it?
True, like anything polls can be mistaken and that doesn't invalidate the whole proccess like you said. However, when the polls do get it wrong it is refreshing to see that what people say isn't always what they really feel, and makes one side of the coin think twice about how their base isn't as solid they thought it was.. Polls merely tell what the likely result would be, and not a sure thing.
During the last American presidential election I remember seeing polls that countermanded the polls of the otherside, only for that poll to be countered and discredited by another poll. It was a seesaw of polls, back and forth. It got really dumb after a while.
Don't forget about the faint hope clause. People convicted of murder may apply for this to have their parole ineligibility reduced, including those who have the 25 year parole ineligibility (excluding those convicted of multiple murders).
You bet- but there's many who put the well being of the pedophile/killer ahead of the well being of children.
These type are not liberal, they have never loved a child, nor have respect for youth, or for life. A pedophile is not capable of normal human feelings so why treat them as such...
First of all...the case of Guy Paul Morin.....
Guy Paul Morin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Secondly, you commit a grave error when you de-humanize people......"not capable of normal human feelings" is simple ridiculous, especially considering you have lumped all pedophiles into one ball.....not all are murderers or sexual sadists.
Third item....please define "child".
Yeah. It seems to me that the only people that were put to death before were killers. Rapists and whomever else got different sentences.
It's kind of like checking the oil after you find out you have a flat tire.
People will say, "WTF?"
Wait. Let's get off of reality for a minute and put our personal feelings aside for one second. The Canadian justice system is setup so that the convicted are given the opportunity to correct their abnormal behaviour. That is why the govt. calls it a "correctional facility" as opposed to using other words like jail. It is also why criminals are allowed to go to school, learn new skills, etc. etc.
Now back to reality. It doesn't work that way... criminals go to jail to become better criminals and to make connections with gang members. Regardless, the govt. still has to uphold it's views because a criminal is still a person capable of change.
BTW, putting somebody into an emotional and physical hell also violates:
Section 12: right not to be subject to cruel and unusual punishment.
If you are wondering if capital punishment violates the above right, the Supreme Court of Canada said it doesn't.
I think the govt. would save a ton of money if they would just put these guys to work doing the crap jobs that nobody wants to do... like cleaning the sewers or sifting garbage for recyclable materials, cleaning graffiti. I mean, they could do this on a volunteer basis and the reward (whatever it may be) could be something that the criminal can look forward to. But the key is that they do not get paid for their work.
Now back to reality. It doesn't work that way... criminals go to jail to become better criminals and to make connections with gang members. Regardless, the govt. still has to uphold it's views because a criminal is still a person capable of change.
BTW, putting somebody into an emotional and physical hell also violates:
Section 12: right not to be subject to cruel and unusual punishment.
If you are wondering if capital punishment violates the above right, the Supreme Court of Canada said it doesn't.
I think the govt. would save a ton of money if they would just put these guys to work doing the crap jobs that nobody wants to do... like cleaning the sewers or sifting garbage for recyclable materials, cleaning graffiti. I mean, they could do this on a volunteer basis and the reward (whatever it may be) could be something that the criminal can look forward to. But the key is that they do not get paid for their work.