The Miracles of Christ
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Okay. The size of Noah's Zoo (the ark):
its height was 30 cubits (45 feet, or 13.5 meters), its length was 300 cubits (450 feet, or 135 meters), and its width was 50 cubits (75 feet, or 22.5 meters). So basically millions of critters (7 pairs of each kind of clean animal and two pairs of each kind of other animals were taken on the ark) fit onto a boat in an area of 101,250 square feet complete with food and bedding enough for a year.
That's a structure the size of this building except the ark was only 3 stories tall.
I can't find anything that says how long it took Noah + helpers (if he had any) to build the boat. The Bible is pretty vague and hints at about 100 years.
Noah and critters were on the ark for about a year.
So, I've come to the conclusion that it would have to be a miracle for this occurrence to have taken place. But those aren't really a big deal. Snow White apparently had time and was able to keep 7 dwarves (with the possible exception of Grumpy) happy, Rumpelstiltskin could spin gold from straw, there was a horse-drawn coach that could turn into a pumpkin and back again, etc.
its height was 30 cubits (45 feet, or 13.5 meters), its length was 300 cubits (450 feet, or 135 meters), and its width was 50 cubits (75 feet, or 22.5 meters). So basically millions of critters (7 pairs of each kind of clean animal and two pairs of each kind of other animals were taken on the ark) fit onto a boat in an area of 101,250 square feet complete with food and bedding enough for a year.
That's a structure the size of this building except the ark was only 3 stories tall.
I can't find anything that says how long it took Noah + helpers (if he had any) to build the boat. The Bible is pretty vague and hints at about 100 years.
Noah and critters were on the ark for about a year.
So, I've come to the conclusion that it would have to be a miracle for this occurrence to have taken place. But those aren't really a big deal. Snow White apparently had time and was able to keep 7 dwarves (with the possible exception of Grumpy) happy, Rumpelstiltskin could spin gold from straw, there was a horse-drawn coach that could turn into a pumpkin and back again, etc.
Sorry Dex, hit the post button too soon a few posts back.
The persecution the Christians suffered was from the Jewish Temple. Rome didn't care about what God was being worshiped, they were concerned with the money end of having an Empire.
Revelation shows your theory (that they wrote things down in timid ways so the authorities didn't bust them). The 7 letters to the 7 Angels of the 7 Churches certainly doesn't mince words about what some will suffer if they are found in that condition when Christ returns. If Jesus used this sort of language to the sinners in the Temple then that same style would have been used when this verse just below happened.
M't:10:19:
But when they deliver you up,
take no thought how or what ye shall speak:
for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
They would have spoken somewhat like this.
M't:23:33:
Ye serpents,
ye generation of vipers,
how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
M't:23:34:
Wherefore,
behold,
I send unto you prophets,
and wise men,
and scribes:
and some of them ye shall kill and crucify;
and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues,
and persecute them from city to city:
M't:23:35:
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias,
whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
M't:23:36:
Verily I say unto you,
All these things shall come upon this generation.
M't:23:37:
O Jerusalem,
Jerusalem,
thou that killest the prophets,
and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered thy children together,
even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings,
and ye would not!
M't:23:38:
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
When counting the entire time Rome was in control is one empire. If they had 50 rulers it was still one empire.
Re:17:10:
And there are seven kings:
five are fallen,
and one is,
and the other is not yet come;
and when he cometh,
he must continue a short space.
Re:17:11:
And the beast that was,
and is not,
even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven,
and goeth into perdition.
The list has 11 names in it, don't take that as a sign that it doesn't match a list that only goes as high as 8. The whole list below is part of the
The Early Emperors Augustus Tiberius Caligula Claudius Nero Galba Otho Vitellius Vespasian Titus Domitian
The 5 fallen ones are Babylon, the Medes, the Persians, Alex, one of Alex's generals.
The 7th is Satan and the last king over Jerusalem before Christ is the Beast from the Pit.
The persecution the Christians suffered was from the Jewish Temple. Rome didn't care about what God was being worshiped, they were concerned with the money end of having an Empire.
Revelation shows your theory (that they wrote things down in timid ways so the authorities didn't bust them). The 7 letters to the 7 Angels of the 7 Churches certainly doesn't mince words about what some will suffer if they are found in that condition when Christ returns. If Jesus used this sort of language to the sinners in the Temple then that same style would have been used when this verse just below happened.
M't:10:19:
But when they deliver you up,
take no thought how or what ye shall speak:
for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
They would have spoken somewhat like this.
M't:23:33:
Ye serpents,
ye generation of vipers,
how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
M't:23:34:
Wherefore,
behold,
I send unto you prophets,
and wise men,
and scribes:
and some of them ye shall kill and crucify;
and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues,
and persecute them from city to city:
M't:23:35:
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias,
whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
M't:23:36:
Verily I say unto you,
All these things shall come upon this generation.
M't:23:37:
O Jerusalem,
Jerusalem,
thou that killest the prophets,
and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered thy children together,
even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings,
and ye would not!
M't:23:38:
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
When counting the entire time Rome was in control is one empire. If they had 50 rulers it was still one empire.
Re:17:10:
And there are seven kings:
five are fallen,
and one is,
and the other is not yet come;
and when he cometh,
he must continue a short space.
Re:17:11:
And the beast that was,
and is not,
even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven,
and goeth into perdition.
The list has 11 names in it, don't take that as a sign that it doesn't match a list that only goes as high as 8. The whole list below is part of the
The Early Emperors Augustus Tiberius Caligula Claudius Nero Galba Otho Vitellius Vespasian Titus Domitian
The 5 fallen ones are Babylon, the Medes, the Persians, Alex, one of Alex's generals.
The 7th is Satan and the last king over Jerusalem before Christ is the Beast from the Pit.
You have apparently solved the case. Now about those 10,000 saints ..........
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Yes, I did. The entire issue about the boat is nonsense.
We are expected to accept that this god can squish a few million species (and in multiple pairs) into a sardine can complete with food for a year, and yet believe it's all-knowing and all-wise and all-that-gibberish enough to screw up royally with the free will thing. It's a pile of manure.
It doesn't matter if gods made everything or not. They obviously don't give a hoot now.
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Don't change your story in the middle of the stream. Guess you just happened to be born into the wrong part of the Script.
I'm not changing my story. The Bible is full of nonsense like the ark thing. There are no miracles.
Besides, where's your authority to tell me which aspects of the BS I can talk about and which ones I can't? You won't debate anyone on issues' merits, you cannot discuss the merits of issues without resorting to the Bible; and it is hardly credible when it mentions nonsense like the ark. So you resort to ad hominems.
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Yeah, but that'd make a heckuva mess when you take it all out.
Besides, there was no such thing as DNA back then. They didn't even know what a molecule is let alone how to manipulate them.
Magic seems to be the only answer. But, magic doesn't make sense.
I wasn't aware of our DNAless past Anna. There are many very old texts that ramble on about atoms and electrons like they had a clue. Them ancient people were an ignorant lot then eh. So the traits passed to offspring all come from storke poop then?
lol Try going back in time and asking one of the critters that wrote the Bible what DNA is. I bet you get a blank stare.
There were no such things as robots back then either.
People used to be made of dirt, too, at one time.
Atomic history: History of atoms
1......Water turned into wine. John 2:6-10.
Look, you can have all the rest, ok, just gimme this one. I pefer white, not too dry thank you.
I can get lots of water, and bottles, and we can start anytime.
8O
Look, you can have all the rest, ok, just gimme this one. I pefer white, not too dry thank you.
I can get lots of water, and bottles, and we can start anytime.
8O
Well sure I know what's bothering you it's the archaic language init des bibble, substitute spirit or essence for DNA, you guts to use mowdern langwhich en den yous kin cee wat thay wuz talkink aboot.
