The Climate Summit in Copenhagen Must Be Cancelled!
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Include every single event in each and you have a closer idea.
Yep, that would work even better.
You know, these people that decide which is an annex 1 country really don't seem to have their noggins sewed on straight. China is about $2 trillion US in debt and has assets estimated at about $7 trillion, the USA is heading for 13 trillion in debt and about 50 trillion in assets, yet it's an annex 1 country and China isn't. There must be more to "annexes" than money. But it seems to me they can both afford stuff.
But anyway, I agree, underdeveloped countries can cut, too.
Well, I can imagine Henry Ford had to throw a lot of money into his business when he went mechanised production. I am pretty sure that "green" technology will be the toy of the immediate future. It makes sense to get in on it soon.
Yup.
That's pretty neighborly of them.
It would make sense.
What really baffles me is why people think all this money and sophisticated technology is required to do this. As I've suggested several times, it can be accomplished if the common man on the street just starts doing little things differently, less unnecessary driving, turn down the thermostat a degree or two, cut back on use of the electric dryer. We got ourselves into this mess one kilowatt or gallon at a time and I think that's the way we'll get ourselves out.
Yep. Sadly, many of these efforts are designed to look good. Actually being good is often somewhere else on the priority list. They all start out with great intentions, I think, but then a lot of people get involved, and soon the train starts sliding off the tracks. Don't mean to sound cynical but really...as long as it looks good, it's probably good enough.
Free speech is assailed. US Youth delegates to the Copenhagen Climate Negotiations crash climate skeptic live webcast in Copenhagen and are called “Hitler youth” by Lord Christopher Monckton at an Americans for Prosperity event.
YouTube - US Youth Crash Climate Denier Live Webcast in Copenhagen
YouTube - US Youth Crash Climate Denier Live Webcast in Copenhagen
I'll split this Thread, so that it can go back on topic, & the Polar Bears
can have their own Thread with it's related discussion...
Here's the Thread on Polar Bears & such...
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/climate-change/88652-plight-polar-bears-warming-actic-3.html
I did wonder how the thread on polar bears appeared all of a sudden, ready made with several comments, out of thin air.
So how do you know when we've cut back enough? Is it when you have to wear three blankets in your house to avoid freezing to death with current technology? Maybe some people would prefer walking around comfortably with new technology?
Conservation is great JLM, and it's needed, but the current technology won't cut it, not without drastic lifestyle changes that most aren't willing to commit to. If you tell people that we can solve it by living in grass huts without HD, 3G, Blue tooth, this that and the other thing, they're going to resist.
Technologies available today make that situation irrelevant. We don't need to live in grass huts. We need more sustainable methods. That is the root of it all. Sustainable. Fossil fuels are not, and the pressures they exert are not.
Polar bears are allways brought up in a climate change debate.
I just hope we dont see a carbon credit program,that's just a money grab and will do nothing for the environment,que in Moe strong and kyoto,dont forget moe's ties with scientology.
Do you prefer a carbon tax? The US will have a system soon, and Canada will have to do something. Whether we adopt the American plan, or tailor our own to the same targets, will be the question.
Back in Copenhagen (by the numbers)
Along with the 1200 limos (France just ordered 42 more on Thursday), and
all 5 of the electric or hybrid cars requested, 140 private planes, etc...
....an extra 1400 Legit Unionized sex trade workers have been brought in for
free sex as long as you present a Climate Conference Delegate's Pass.
Oh Hell. I was going to lead into a Recycling joke, being good for the
Environment, etc...but it's just too nasty and I'm moderating myself.
Along with the 1200 limos (France just ordered 42 more on Thursday), and
all 5 of the electric or hybrid cars requested, 140 private planes, etc...
....an extra 1400 Legit Unionized sex trade workers have been brought in for
free sex as long as you present a Climate Conference Delegate's Pass.
Oh Hell. I was going to lead into a Recycling joke, being good for the
Environment, etc...but it's just too nasty and I'm moderating myself.
Whatever they do,it's just going to line the pockets of many people,if you think this will help the environment then give your head a shake,this is just round 2 of the losers that didnt get the big bucks when the Kyoto agreement was'nt hounered.
Carbon credits are just a way to make a few peeps rich and I do believe Al Gore has some ties in there.;-)
I've NEVER said "drastic" lifestyle changes, I have said several times "walk the short distances",cut the thermostat back 2 degrees, turn off unnecessary lights, recycle a bit more (like maybe darning socks instead of throwing them in the garbage and, use the outside clothes line weather permitting" No you can force people to comply but you can set a ceiling on cheap power, after the ceiling is reached, the price doubles. The more people we have who co operate the easier it will be for everyone.
Okay, Kakato. By the way how did you come by your name on the forum, if you don't mind me asking?
Sorry, Ron... back on topic. I was just sitting here reading your post and thinking that with all the time you have spent up North, and from what I gather you do care about the environment, so what would you do? Do you have any ideas about what could be done? I am truly curious, kakato. You have a unique perspective on the question that most of us here, do not. :smile:
Boy do you have that right, JLM. It is up to each one of us to do what we can, encourage others to do the same, and keep after our government to do something.
My ex and I used to argue about the power individuals have, all the time. He is firmly of the opinion that people don't change and that nothing we can do as individuals makes one whit of difference. Well, I am sure you know where I stand.
About six or seven years ago I started using cloth bags for my groceries much to the scorn of my ex. At that time there weren't too many people who had switched. As the years went on I noticed that not only were people using more cloth bags but stores ( seeing $$$$ to be made) started getting in on the action.
Now, at a rough estimate, I would say maybe two-thirds of the people I see are carrying cloth bags. CB might have different numbers though.
Oh, and I notice that my ex is using cloth now too...never said a word about it, just smiled.
No, I did. Because cutting the heat back one or two degrees at a time, and driving one less trip a week won't cut it. It helps, but it won't make the grade.
With current technology, and population growth, it would require drastic lifestyle changes. Efficiency improvements and conservation would be a good start, but we'd all need to fundamentally change our habits in the end if we keep the same old technology.
Which brings me to another point, how do you know how much we need to cut back? What if your suggestions aren't enough?
It's an Innuit thing.
As for the environment well,I dont have a bias or agenda and have many years doing it so I know what works and am still learning as it's a day by day thing.
I have no agenda.
I've done reclamation for some of the biggest mining companys in Canada,all passed 100% on the cert's.
The carbon credit thing is just a scam,round 2 of kyoto after the fear mongers lost out on that gravy train when no one complied.
Carbon credits arent about the environment or planet,their about making some people very rich.
And the peeps that back them are just sheep,jumping on the bandwagon yet being used.
Hence the term I came up with a year ago....envirofoilers.
Akin to the 9/11 foiilers,just they got a differrent venue now.