Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes

Iran should have Nuke Weapons


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earth_as_one

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EAO Question 1- How do you interpret his answer on the Holocaust?
Question 2 - Is more research needed to confirm or deny the Holocaust?

I answered Q1 already. He was evasive and skeptical about the scale and accuracy of commonly held beliefs regarding the holocaust.

Q2: The holocaust happened. But this wasn't just a Jewish tragedy. It was one of many atrocities committed during the war, including a few that were committed by allied forces. I believe that researching the holocaust, being skeptical about the holocaust, asking questions and/or having unpopular opinions about the holocaust should not be illegal. I also agree with the Jewish British MP that the holocaust has been used to justify Zionist war crimes and crimes against humanity as well as silence critics of Zionism.
 

MHz

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Uhmn, Iran doesn't have any nukes..(end of thread lol)....nor have they ever stated that they wanted or needed them. Systems like the S-400 and the hi-speed torpedoes are defensive machines. That is what is published these days mostly.
I haven't followed their supplies very closely but I don't recall any headlines about long-rang fighters with extra fuel pods or mid-air refueling practices, you know aggressive maneuvers like those would be.

Seems even making a speech allows some to walk out, time and again. Typically a speech is like an opening sentence, it is an invitation to talk. Being that they have comments on the parts they 'did not want to hear' it is a bit transparent.

If the US and Israel do not want them to have nuclear power, buy them out and supply them with the same amount of capacity that those two stations will supply.

Cheaper than a war and more productive in the long-run, but those purse-strings remain mostly closed.

I might be able to refind this article but it said Iran was to ship it's (uranuim refined if I remember correctly. Russia was to the 'refine it' before it was returned to the power stations to be used for power production. How do we do that in Canada, Dig it up and crush it and then 'pan for the gold by some method. Obviously what comes out of the pan will not fire a bomb but it may not be healthy to humans either. Is that what is shipped to Russia and they return it at the right ratio, 3% for reactor use. At the end of that cycle the 'spent rod' are then collect for transport to Russia for 'long term storage'.

What was in the original plan when applied for at the UN? They get to keep it and really develop a bomb so big it better not go off accidentally in your own back-yard, country closed for extensive renovations. I doubt that is ever seriously considered as a real option. lol An invasions results in 'hit and runs', that tactic is as old as the 2nd or 3rd war in all of history.
Being punished for crimes not yet committed is a justice system that has gone insane, it works against the very people it was created to help. Under that rule Europe should have been exterminated before they could set foot off dry land to conquer the new world. To collect all the marbles you want and then call the game over even though players and marbles remain on the board just doesn't work at my place.

Punishment comes after an act of inhumanity. Those Laws only came in during the last 100 years. Adoption og the rights of children would be the last act that define humane and inhumane. If you have some other standard the please explain it (in some detail in necessary).
 

Colpy

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One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. Palestine is occupied by a hostile military. They have a legal right to resist violently as per international law. However insurgents resisting an occupation even an illegal one have no right to commit war crimes.

Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups have committed war crimes.

Also I disagree with Canada taking sides in this dispute. We should be official neutral and support any group on either side seeking peaceful resolutions to this dispute. We should not have unshakable support for either side and condemn war crimes and crimes against humanity.

The problem is, EAO, no leader of any active military group nor any leader of any major military power on earth in the last 100 years has NOT commited "war crimes" under your definitions.

The concept is ludicrous, unless applied against crimes on a massive scale.......
 

earth_as_one

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"Please reference a quote where Ahmadinejad denies the holocaust. You will find many sources which claim that is what Ahmadinejad said. I've never came across a transcript of an Ahmadinejad speech or interview where he claims the holocaust didn't happen."



Irans Ahmadinejad calls Holocaust a lie (Tehran, Sept 18, 2009)
YouTube - Irans Ahmadinejad calls Holocaust a lie (Tehran, Sept 18, 2009)

I heard this:

A reporter describing what Ahmadinejad was about to say.

A translator saying Ahmadinejad said this:

1) The pretext for the creation of the Zionist regime is a lie and indeed corrupt.

2) A lie based on unacceptable and fantastical claims.

3) The occupation of the Palestinian land has no connection with the issue of holocaust.

...

then a summary of what Ahmadinejad said in the rest of his speech

Something doesn't add up. Line three sure sounds like Ahmadinejad recognizes the holocaust in some form. Line one could reference Zionist claims that Jews have a God given right to ethnically cleanse Palestine of everyone who isn't Jewish and kill anyone who resists.

But I don't speak Farsi. For all I know, Ahmadinejad could have said:

I just went to the washroom to take a leak. Someone left a stinker in the john and never flushed it. This is unacceptable behavior.

Can anyone else who doesn't speak Farsi offer other possible translations of this speech?
 

Cannuck

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1) Do you condemn these war crimes or support them?

If I wanted to discuss Israeli war crimes I would go to a thread about Israeli war crimes. This thread is about Iran acquiring nukes. I understand the need for Joo-haters to try and bring every discussion back to the Joos. It's your Viagra.
 

MHz

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They aren't trying to acquire nukes, having the US and Israel say they are is not even close to being proof that they are. So far that is all there is words from two countries that can and have lied their collective asses off in the recent past.
Joo, why not write it properly if you are so fond of them, it's spelled Jew.
 

Cannuck

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Only a complete fool would believe Iran isn't trying to make a bomb.


...and I'll spell anyway I want to spell. It's my keyboard.
 

Cliffy

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Joo, why not write it properly if you are so fond of them, it's spelled Jew.

I would think that a Jewish person would take offense to being called a Joo. I sounds very disrespectful. Perhaps it is supposed to try to cover up who the real Jew-hater is.
 

ironsides

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The TREATY ON THE NON-PROLIFERATION
OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS treaty signed 1 July 1968 expressly forbids countries from building or possessing nuclear bombs. Those who already have weapons are not to allow other countries the technology. Iran cannot be given this technology by anyone. Israel already having this this technology before the treaty was signed refused to sign the treaty and kept quiet.
However Iran and Iraq did sign the treaty and are aggressively seeking nuclear technology. Thus by them being signatories to the treaty means nothing, so why should Israel be preasured to sign, they have not acknowledged even having a bomb..


NPT Treaty
 

AnnaG

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As I mentioned in the other thread, I wouldn't trust any outfit run by fundamentally religious outfits who were convinced that the entire planet should be the same way they are or die. I wouldn't trust any outfit that was run by a political out that thought in that manner either.
 

Kakato

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Joo, why not write it properly if you are so fond of them, it's spelled Jew.

I would think that a Jewish person would take offense to being called a Joo. I sounds very disrespectful. Perhaps it is supposed to try to cover up who the real Jew-hater is.

It's off southpark,and it seems to piss off the joo haters when used.

Were actually mocking you when everything in the world gets blamed on them.

it's the Joo's!!!!!!:lol:
 

Cannuck

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...everything in the world gets blamed on them.

...and well it should. We were called to a fire last week where a truck driver tossed cigarette out his window and it landed in the hay he was hauling causing a complete loss of the truck and hay. Did you know that Joos make up a certain portion of those that have invested in tobacco companies? Also, Joos allow cigarettes to be shipped into the west bank and Gaza. They are complicit in the poisoning of untold Palestinians and countless fires everywhere....bloody bastards!!!!
 

Goober

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Uhmn, Iran doesn't have any nukes..(end of thread lol)....nor have they ever stated that they wanted or needed them. Systems like the S-400 and the hi-speed torpedoes are defensive machines. That is what is published these days mostly.
I haven't followed their supplies very closely but I don't recall any headlines about long-rang fighters with extra fuel pods or mid-air refueling practices, you know aggressive maneuvers like those would be.

Seems even making a speech allows some to walk out, time and again. Typically a speech is like an opening sentence, it is an invitation to talk. Being that they have comments on the parts they 'did not want to hear' it is a bit transparent.

If the US and Israel do not want them to have nuclear power, buy them out and supply them with the same amount of capacity that those two stations will supply.

Cheaper than a war and more productive in the long-run, but those purse-strings remain mostly closed.

I might be able to refind this article but it said Iran was to ship it's (uranuim refined if I remember correctly. Russia was to the 'refine it' before it was returned to the power stations to be used for power production. How do we do that in Canada, Dig it up and crush it and then 'pan for the gold by some method. Obviously what comes out of the pan will not fire a bomb but it may not be healthy to humans either. Is that what is shipped to Russia and they return it at the right ratio, 3% for reactor use. At the end of that cycle the 'spent rod' are then collect for transport to Russia for 'long term storage'.

What was in the original plan when applied for at the UN? They get to keep it and really develop a bomb so big it better not go off accidentally in your own back-yard, country closed for extensive renovations. I doubt that is ever seriously considered as a real option. lol An invasions results in 'hit and runs', that tactic is as old as the 2nd or 3rd war in all of history.
Being punished for crimes not yet committed is a justice system that has gone insane, it works against the very people it was created to help. Under that rule Europe should have been exterminated before they could set foot off dry land to conquer the new world. To collect all the marbles you want and then call the game over even though players and marbles remain on the board just doesn't work at my place.

Punishment comes after an act of inhumanity. Those Laws only came in during the last 100 years. Adoption og the rights of children would be the last act that define humane and inhumane. If you have some other standard the please explain it (in some detail in necessary).
MHZI read this some time ago but cannot find the link - Iran made the decision in the (time approx) 88-90 to aquire Nuke Wpns after-during) going thru the Iraq-Iran War. -
 

ironsides

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Here comes another puff of obnoxious gas from non-existent nuclear technology in peace loving Iran.


TEHRAN, Iran – Iran plans to install a more advanced type of centrifuge at its newly revealed uranium enrichment site, an Iranian newspaper reported Tuesday, a development certain to add to international concerns about the country's nuclear work.

Iran plans new centrifuges for 2nd enrichment site - Yahoo! News
 

ironsides

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They aren't trying to acquire nukes, having the US and Israel say they are is not even close to being proof that they are. So far that is all there is words from two countries that can and have lied their collective asses off in the recent past.
Joo, why not write it properly if you are so fond of them, it's spelled Jew.


"Iran's nuclear program began in the Shah's era, including a plan to build 20 nuclear power reactors. Two power reactors in Bushehr, on the coast of the Persian Gulf, were started but remained unfinished when they were bombed and damaged by the Iraqis during the Iran-Iraq war. Following the revolution in 1979, all nuclear activity was suspended, though subsequently work was resumed on a somewhat more modest scale. Current plans extend to the construction of 15 power reactors and two research reactors."

Nuclear Weapons - Iran
 

AnnaG

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Technically speaking, there's a difference between trying to acquire nuclear weapons and building them.
 

Goober

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MHz said they weren't trying to ACQUIRE nukes. I think he's right. They are probably trying to build them. There's a difference.

And then the Shiite will hit the fan - Israel will not tolerate a Nuclear Iran. Plain and simple and neither should the West - and if you think that is somehow unfair - Well TFB - they are in the Mid East a sizeable amount of crazies -