Gun Control is Completely Useless.
- Thread starter Colpy
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English constitutional law is part of the Canadian constitution.....right back to the Megna Carta. This is because much of our law rests on precedent, same as American law, which traces its roots and precedents back to the same sources......
The difference between English Constitutional law and American constitutional law is that in the English tradition, the elected Parliament supercedes the Constitution.....in the American tradition the Constitution is superior to any other law or regulation made by any body.
Yet the British constitution recognizes rights as existing naturally, before the advent of the Bill of Rights....indeed, it refers to them as "ancient" rights....the right to bear arms being one of those.
We were talking about primer and powder, I thought.......perhaps I misread......
As for the 12 ga and the wall.......even a cylinder choke would not allow the shot charge to open up much in the 10 or 12 feet across a room, it still hits as a mass and penetrates thoroughly......and barrel length is not a factor.......the charge in a 12 ga shotgun pretty well reaches maximum velocity in 20 inches.
Perhaps you misunderstand. I don't mean that Bob wants to set up a shop and sell handguns to the public. I mean that Bob wants to sell Ted his old handgun. A private sale which requires no paper work or identification check.
Are we on the same page now?
In most states a handgun requires a paper trail, especially if the customer who bought Bob's handgun expects to us it legally. (target shooting, hunting etc.) If you sold it to Ted who lives in Florida or I think Texas for example there would be no problem because the individual is registered, not the firearm. I understand what you meant.
lol Some politician turning him into a criminal just because he likes wild meat over that crap in the store among other things, obviously.
Petros said, "And yes even with just a primer it will go through drywall. get real. "
Dasleeper said, "Obviously you have never handloaded or experimented with guns
With just the primer a bullet will bounce of a rubber target holder 40 feet away.....when it reaches it "
To which Les said, "lol, by the time the wadding from my shotgun reaches the muzzle after being propelled by primer, it's slowed down enough I can hold my hand in front of it. If I had a 12 Magnum, it might even hurt a little."
I love solving puzzles.
Um, Colpy, length of barrel does have an effect on grouping of the shot (as well as the choking). The shorter the barrel the wider the group. Kind of like the difference between say a .303 silhouette gun and a .303 hunting rifle. You'll be more accurate with the rifle and have a better grouping.
Ok but that isn't consistant with what's said in the links you provided and those I found myself.
From the link:
No state requirement that a Brady criminal background check be done on people buying guns at gun shows if they are sold by "private" individuals or gun "collectors." Gun shows can operate on a "no questions asked, cash-and-carry" basis, making it easy for criminals and even juveniles to buy as many guns as they want at gun shows, including assault weapons. No records are required to be kept on gun show sales by private individuals or gun collectors, making it almost impossible for police to trace such weapons if they are used in a crime.
Why is there a contradiction here?
Why would legal gun owners want such an obviously problematic loophole to exist other than to allow for an easy and profitable avenue to put guns into the hands of criminals?
Again I erred by not being specific enough.....In target shooting...it happens sometimes with hand loading, if not enough powder or no powder is put in the cartrige the bullet might leave the barrel but not hit the target, or bounce of the wall....we never know after the fact....
Alhough every time a dud happens, we are suppossed to check the barrel for a stuck bullet.....I have never seen a stuck bullet once at the shooting range....
Why don't you join a community organization and be the surrogate dad to these kids instead of the gangs?
As I said, you will not have a problem selling rifles and shotguns. Handguns must have a paper trail. You usually won't find criminals purchasing guns at gun shows, for that very reason. All it takes is a phone call to do a basic check.
Gun owners for the most part are against any form of goverment control
I understand you keep saying that, but there is nothing that indicates anything of the sort other than you saying that.
I get that all it takes is a phone call but that is only effective if the guy gives you a name that is on record as someone who comitted a felony. In turn there is nothing stopping that person from buying guns at a gun show and walking out to give them to someone who is going to commit a crime.
Where is the paper trail you mentioned for handguns?
I grabbed the old 22 a couple of nights ago intending to off the raccoon whats been eating my chickens a quick barrel check registered no light, the damn mud wasps had plugged it. Reminds me I got to clean it before the coon comes back. The bolt might have gone right through my head, woulda needed stiches probly.
No, there isn't anything to stop someone (legal) buying a weapon from you and giving it to someone else. If a crime is committed with it, the police will go back to the original person who legally owned the gun and try and trace it from there. Needless to say it could lead to trouble for the original legal owner. You will have to look up State by State regulations for handguns, since each State has their own regulations. The Federal Goverment does not involve itself in matter's that directly effect citizens of the United States. These individuals in this case are protected by the 2nd Amendment.
Is there some reason behind that, which law abiding gun owners would be so adamant against regulations to prevent someone from buying guns legally and selling them to criminals without leaving any paper trail or question where the guns went?
It just not done on a federal level, each state controls it their own way. For example if a registered gun is sold in New York and it turns up in Florida at a crime scene they will go after the original owner. Responsibility for securing a weapon is put upon the licensed owner. If a child finds a gun around the house and accidentally shoots someone, the owner of the gun will face charges even though he/she may have been out of the house at the time.
It is against State laws to sell a firearm to a unlicensed individual. so no one is getting a free ride on this issue. Just some thing's the federal Goverment should stay out of, let the states handle it. They usually provide heavier fines and punishment anyway.