Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[Colpy]

My mother caught me spelunking once. Oh my gawd was that ever embarrassing.

If it involved ropes, helmits, flashlights, gloves, and rock hammers....you should be enbarassed.

 

[Francis2004]

That whole story was on TV here for about an hour and a half yesterday. I knew just by the pics. they showed and the people they talked to that they were in Iggy's neighbourhood. Iggy (Petros to you guys)said once that he goes to the school to help out with some of the troubled kids there. I've had a very un-comfortable feeling for awhile now and hearing the news added to that of course. The whole area was just as he described it. He did not mention the gangs though. The Indian Chief that I listened to said that there is a group of native kids (gang) that call themselves NSK. When they broke into his home (I think it was his home) and killed his sons, they were yelling NSK over and over. Stands for Native Syndicate Killers.
The news reported (and this took me back because I thought Vancouver had this award)that Regina is the crime captial of Canada in regard to gang crimes. It stated that it has held that position for the last 9 years. I was shocked. It looks very laid back and quiet there. I did spend the majority of my time at Depot so I guess that would explain not seeing anything remotely scary. Iggy and his wife and daughter live right in the midst of that scene. I really hope they are okay. It's odd that he has been gone for so long. Even if he doesn't come on line he usually sends a couple of lines so we know what he's been up to. I only know his first name so I can't even try to inquire.
The native people there feel they are being left out in the cold and not receiving the help they need. I hope that having it on TV brings it the attention it needs and that everyone pulls together to bring this to an end. The Chief was a very nice, well spoken man and I could not help but really listen to what he had to say.

Hi VanIsle, sound like this is what you watched..

Looking out over the hills on the Piapot First Nation Reserve, Harold Lavallee mourns the son he lost two years ago. "There isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about him," he said.

Willie Lavallee and his two brothers grew up on the reserve just north of Regina. But the brothers left home and moved into Regina's inner city neighbourhood, called North Central, to go to high school. Early one morning, attackers broke into their house. All three brothers were stabbed and beaten. Willie died.

Regina police charged seven men in connection with Willie's murder. Lavallee says those responsible for his son's killing were part of a Regina street gang called the Native Syndicate Killers. "They were yelling 'NSK' and they were saying, 'Where's the drugs, where's the money,'" he said, describing the events that led to his son's murder.

If asked, most Canadians would probably associate gang violence with the big cities: Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. But a recent report on gang violence names Saskatchewan as the place with the highest concentration of gang members in Canada. In Regina, police estimate there may be as many as 600 gang members in the city. And NSK is just one of a possible six gangs operating in the city.

CTV.ca | City of Gangs: Regina grapples with native gang problem

 

[Cannuck]

If it involved ropes, helmits, flashlights, gloves, and rock hammers....you should be enbarassed.

Ropes, helmets, a flashlight, gloves and on occasion a turkey baster...yes but, a rock hammer....that's just sick.

 

[L Gilbert]

Anyway, been digging a bit:

NEWS RELEASE

This guy has found where people have been registering hair blowers, squirtguns, cap guns, etc. besides volumes of statistics that show the gun registry is based on ideological fantasy rather than reality. Harpy keeps trying to button the guy's lip without success.

 

[VanIsle]

Francis that is what I watched but he was specific in naming his sons rooms and he named the rooms they died in. He did really well when he was talking and did not break into tears so I knew it wasn't a fresh event so to speak. Maybe more went on later on and the other two were killed or maybe just one more. I'm going to have to learn to stop typing and listen effectively to the news! Just things that you cannot multi-task with I guess!

 

[Ron in Regina]

My Son just called me. That Murder Friday night was almost exactly
four blocks from my house. Right now, almost exactly two blocks from
my home, and two blocks from that Murder scene...smack dab in the
middle (and across the street kitty-corner from the Serbian Club) is an
armed stand off. I guess I'll not wander over for the meat draw this
afternoon.

A Family member of mine that I meet there semi-regularly, I phoned to
say, "let's skip that draw today" asks me if I heard anything about the
shooting in North Central yesterday as she & her husband where in that
area yesterday (visiting his parents) and as they where leaving they
heard two shots, and before they got out of the area, about six cop cars
passed them. I haven't heard anything about that one...as it didn't make
any news program that I've heard so far.

So, aside from keeping guns out of the hands of the Law Abiding, what are
Canada's Gun Control Laws accomplishing again?8O
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One less X-File....sort of...How's that gun registry helping anyone again?

No charges stem from gun call that emptied Regina home

REGINA -- A report of gunshots being fired in North Central on Saturday afternoon resulted in more than a dozen marked and unmarked police vehicles converging on the area.

Shortly after the gun call came in at 2 p.m., police vehicles and the canine unit started blocking the back lane between Rae and Retallack and lining up on 7th Avenue.

“A caller said there were two shots fired in a row out in the street that sounded like a gun and then one a short time later,” said Staff Sgt. Brian Wilkinson with the Regina Police Service. “We got out there and the witness said he saw a lone male with a handgun waving it around.”

The witness described the alleged gunman to police and then pointed in the general direction of a house on Retallack Street, Wilkinson said.

When police started taking more than 10 adults and children out of the house, they were met with drunken resistance.

“When we eventually cleared the house, we got no guns, we’ve got no charges, we don’t even have anybody who even matches the description that was first given of this alleged guy with a gun in the street,” Wilkinson said. “The original victim, who was a girl, has absolutely got amnesia and is not talking about anything.”

He said the original call to police could have stemmed from a domestic dispute.

Wilkinson expected that everyone who was taken out of the house would be released once officers confirmed there were no outstanding warrants for their arrest.

“We might execute those warrants but other than that, we don’t have a gun, we don’t have a crime scene, we don’t have a suspect, we don’t have a victim and we don’t have a witness,” Wilkinson said.

Source: No charges stem from gun call that emptied Regina home
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Our current Gun Laws in Canada ensure that any of this Jabroni's sober law abiding
neighbours would have been unarmed and defenseless had things gotten uglier....
Weird how something like this takes two days to hit a newspaper or even a mention
on the radio, eh? Still nothing on the thing two blocks from my place yesterday....both
doors are now missing off that house and the police are still there with tape up today.

 

[Cannuck]

I count nine officers in that picture. Any word on how many bystanders were tasered?

 

[AnnaG]

I found this opinion piece from MacLeans Magazine. And in spite of the intended purpose of it, it shows just how much of an incredibly expensive and ineffective blunder the firearms registry is.

How police use the gun registry - Capital Read John Geddes - Macleans.ca

It’s not hard to imagine how discovering that a resident owns a single hunting rifle might suggest one thing to an officer; finding out the man causing the disturbance possesses several exotic weapons would indicate something else again.

And that indication would vary. We have an "exotic" weapon. It's a Springfield Model 1 muzzleloader made in 1849. It is vastly different from the firearm which possibly a neighboring gun collector might have. Perhaps the neighbor might have a collection of WWII machine guns or a collection of Military Armament Corporation (MAC) weapons. (Some of which are extremely fast firing and only need one hand to hold). There's a huge difference between a M1 Springfield and a MAC-10, but both are "exotic".
It would make sense that in the rural areas, the police would automatically assume there would be firearms present in the homes they respond to, particularly in those of farmers and ranchers. The database shouldn't be necessary for that.
Also, any time a cop enters a vehicle license plate number to get the name of the owner and the owner also is a registered firearms owner, that constitutes a hit on the database. How many people are pulled over because they have a brake light out, or a speeding ticket is issued, ANY issue that's totally unrelated to firearms?

Police also use the registry to conduct so-called reverse checks; in cases where they recover a gun, perhaps from a crime scene, they check on who is the registered owner.

Law-Abiding Unregistered Firearms Association - Fight C68/Firearms Act Canada

Those in favour of scrapping the so-called long gun registry make a point of stressing that, even without it, police would still be able to check out who has a licence to own guns. But that wouldn’t be any help when the cops are working to trace the ownership of a specific firearm that turns up in an investigation.

It's also useless in those circumstances where a crime has been committed and an unregistered firearm has been dropped by a gang member (they don't want to register or get caught, right?). Who commits most firearms offenses? Career criminals, not Henry Hunter, Ray Rancher, or Fred Farmer.

"Is it possible that police have fallen into the habit of using this system so very often for no good reason? I don’t think so. Millions of data searches must turn up thousands of pieces of useful information. So, in considering the bill introduced yesterday in the Senate to eliminate the gun registry, you must balance the loss of information police evidently want to have, and make a point of obtaining millions of times a year, against the benefit of relieving honest gun owners of the minor inconvenience and expense of registering.

Inconvenience and expense?
Principal payment fee: $286/gun*
Licence fee: $80**/5 years
Handgun Licence fee: $80***/5 years
Yearly Registration fee: $25/firearm
Transfer of gun fee: $25
* $2 Billion Cost / 7 million registered guns = $286/gun recoup start up costs. **Required to take a $50 gun safety course..
***Requires a restricted firearm handling course (cost varies)
A kid gets his first .22 at maybe 16 yrs old. He keeps it till he dies at age 81.14.
cost for average quality .22 rifle is about $300
$286 principal payment fee
5 yr license fee $80 X (81-16)/5 = $1040
Yearly reg. fee $25 = $1625
Transfer of gun fee(after owner dies or gets rid of it) $25
Total
$3276/firearm and that's not including the other $1040 if its a .22 handgun or the cost of the restricted firearms handling course.
There are an average of 3 or 4 registered firearms in the average home of those that have firearms. A fraction (around 7 million) are registered firearms.
7,000,000 X $3276/65 (years between 81.14 and 16) = $352,800,000 per year in fees are collected by the gov't. Yet the registry only costs $100 million/year?
Plus the $2 billion it cost up to 2005 ($2 billion plus $100 million per year comes to 2.4 billion to date).

Sorry, people honest enough to register their firearms in the first place are being raped (as well as the rest of Canadians who fronted the cost of the resgistry to begin with) and its basically because of a Liberal kneejerk reaction to the Marc Lepinsky tragedy in Quebec. And the firearms registry has had no noticeable effect on the crimes involving firearms.

Several large police associations have also declared the registry to be a waste, many are supporting Bill C-391, and the suggestion that all police support the registry is simply false. Every major poll in the last six years has supported scrapping the long-gun registry. Criminals don’t register firearms, and because of this, the registry was doomed to failure from the start.

Sources:

Call TODAY and SUPPORT abolishing the long gun registry | Ripple Outdoors Hunting and Fishing Podcast

National Firearms Association - The Number of Firearms and Firearms Owners in Canada

Law-Abiding Unregistered Firearms Association - Fight C68/Firearms Act Canada

http://www.mwf.mb.ca/mwf/pdfs/media_release_1.pdf

 

[AnnaG]

70% of licenced handgun owners have not registered their handguns.​

530,000 licenced gun owners have not registered their long guns.​

Over 5+ million gun owners do not have a licence and have not registered any guns.​

Over 70% of all guns in Canada are not registered - approximately 20+ million guns in total with approximately 7 million guns registered. - StatsCan

Yet the bureaucrats want us to believe that there is a 90% compliance rate.​

 

[Colpy]

70% of licenced handgun owners have not registered their handguns.​

530,000 licenced gun owners have not registered their long guns.​

Over 5+ million gun owners do not have a licence and have not registered any guns.​

Over 70% of all guns in Canada are not registered - approximately 20+ million guns in total with approximately 7 million guns registered. - StatsCan ​

Yet the bureaucrats want us to believe that there is a 90% compliance rate.​

Thanks Anna.......

And add to this that the old registration system for handguns only was soooo flawed that it could not be accepted as evidence in court,.......and the new one is well on its way to that same pathetic status.

2 billion dollars later.

 

[AnnaG]

Thanks Anna.......

And add to this that the old registration system for handguns only was soooo flawed that it could not be accepted as evidence in court,.......and the new one is well on its way to that same pathetic status.

2 billion dollars later.

Almost $2.5 billion now.

 

[JLM]

Yep, but a lot of people are missing one thing- look at all the jobs created for bureaucrats, who in most cases probably couldn't find other work.

 

[AnnaG]

Yep, but a lot of people are missing one thing- look at all the jobs created for bureaucrats, who in most cases probably couldn't find other work.

We could put them to work cleaning all the pollution at the bottoms of the oceans around Canada.

Oh, wait, they ARE pollution. Nevermind.

 

[Ron in Regina]

I count nine officers in that picture. Any word on how many bystanders were tasered?

Under police commission rules for Saskatchewan's municipal police services, Tasers
currently can only be utilized by members of special weapons and tactical teams.
Source: Taser standards sought in Sask.

 

[JLM]

We could put them to work cleaning all the pollution at the bottoms of the oceans around Canada.

Oh, wait, they ARE pollution. Nevermind.

You could start them in the Arctic Ocean.

 

[ironsides]

“Currently, 39 states have laws that allow residents to carry firearms to protect
themselves, only if they pass a background check and pay a fee to cover
administrative costs. Most of those states also require applicants to have firearms
safety training. Do you support or oppose this law?”


An overwhelming majority of Americans (83 percent) support concealed-carry
laws, while only 11 percent oppose them. A majority of Independent voters (86 percent),
Democrats (80 percent), young voters age 18-29 (83 percent), Hispanic voters (80
percent), and those who voted for President Obama (80 percent) support the right to carry
a firearm.
http://olearyreport.com/media/pdf/Sotomayor%20PostCmteVote%20(7.3.09).pdf

 

[Unforgiven]

So, is the only real option to arm everyone with any type of weapon they can afford to get their hands on or manufacture themselves?

 

[JLM]

So, is the only real option to arm everyone with any type of weapon they can afford to get their hands on or manufacture themselves?

It's kind of a "Catch 22" situation, if you aren't armed and someone breaks into your house you will probably get killed and if you are armed and you shoot the assh*le, if he survives he can sue you and if he dies you get charged with murder in the first degree.

 

[Unforgiven]

It's kind of a "Catch 22" situation, if you aren't armed and someone breaks into your house you will probably get killed and if you are armed and you shoot the assh*le, if he survives he can sue you and if he dies you get charged with murder in the first degree.

I'm insured so what the hell if he wants stuff I'll help him take it. If he just wants to kill someone, why go to all the time and trouble of busting down my very secure door, setting off my home alarm system, fighting my dog that wants to take his balls off so he can then shoot me and run away? Why not just walk up behind someone in the street and pull the trigger? That doesn't seem to make sense.

I can see getting charged if someone steps on your lawn and you blow their head off with a shotgun. But if someone is attempting to kill you, then you have the right to defend yourself even if it ends up killing them. Self defence and all. I don't see really anything that would stand up in court should someone sue you for defending your self under direct and immediate threat of life and limb.

I wonder what alternative there is than no gun laws at all.

 

[ironsides]

So, is the only real option to arm everyone with any type of weapon they can afford to get their hands on or manufacture themselves?

They used to have a law like that in Florida not to long ago, not that you had to have a weapon, but that everyone should be able to protect themselves with just about anything they wanted. Lasted about 5 years and they started issuing permits and doing background checks.