Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[wulfie68]

Part of the problem with the gun control argument in Canada is that there is an attitude projected in some quarters that murder or violent crime conducted with a firearm, is somehow worse than other violent crime. You see it in the way the gov'ts have added extra charges with firearms crimes as opposed to just general "use of a weapon". A person is still dead whether they're shot with a handgun, poisoned, stabbed in the heart or has their skull crushed by a hammer.

I have no desire to own a handgun either but I hate the redundancy and waste that has been the most prominent feature of gun control legislation in this country.

 

[L Gilbert]

I'll ditto that except for the bit about handguns; we like plinking with them.

 

[Ron in Regina]

I live in Regina (in the Core) as opposed to Petros who lives in North Central.
Friday night I got a call from a Family member, as someone had been knifed
(he's dead) while out walking his dogs four blocks from my home. I reassured
this Family member that it wasn't me, and I was just fine.

In Canada, the Law Abiding arming themselves for self defense is a big No-No.
I thought the following video (from CTV's W5...it's in two parts) would be
applicable to this discussion.

W-FIVE : City of Gangs

 

[Ron in Regina]

My Son just called me. That Murder Friday night was almost exactly
four blocks from my house. Right now, almost exactly two blocks from
my home, and two blocks from that Murder scene...smack dab in the
middle (and across the street kitty-corner from the Serbian Club) is an
armed stand off. I guess I'll not wander over for the meat draw this
afternoon.

A Family member of mine that I meet there semi-regularly, I phoned to
say, "let's skip that draw today" asks me if I heard anything about the
shooting in North Central yesterday as she & her husband where in that
area yesterday (visiting his parents) and as they where leaving they
heard two shots, and before they got out of the area, about six cop cars
passed them. I haven't heard anything about that one...as it didn't make
any news program that I've heard so far.

So, aside from keeping guns out of the hands of the Law Abiding, what are
Canada's Gun Control Laws accomplishing again?8O
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[Cannuck]

So, aside from keeping guns out of the hands of the Law Abiding, what are
Canada's Gun Control Laws accomplishing again?8O

They give politicians something to rant about or rave about when they have nothing else of importance to say.

 

[L Gilbert]

My Son just called me. That Murder Friday night was almost exactly
four blocks from my house. Right now, almost exactly two blocks from
my home, and two blocks from that Murder scene...smack dab in the
middle (and across the street kitty-corner from the Serbian Club) is an
armed stand off. I guess I'll not wander over for the meat draw this
afternoon.

A Family member of mine that I meet there semi-regularly, I phoned to
say, "let's skip that draw today" asks me if I heard anything about the
shooting in North Central yesterday as she & her husband where in that
area yesterday (visiting his parents) and as they where leaving they
heard two shots, and before they got out of the area, about six cop cars
passed them. I haven't heard anything about that one...as it didn't make
any news program that I've heard so far.

Sad.

So, aside from keeping guns out of the hands of the Law Abiding, what are

Canada's Gun Control Laws accomplishing again?8O
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Ron, because of the ineptness of the Gliberal's gun registry, it can't even keep the guns out of law-abiding citizens hands. I would bet that a third of the gins owned by law-abiding citizens aren't known to the authorities.

 

[Ron in Regina]

I've been scouring the news (online) looking for information about those gunshots
in North-Central in mid-afternoon yesterday, and all I can find is a bit about another
stabbing in that neighbourhood, about two blocks south of Petro's place...and that
is about three blocks from where my family members heard the shots a couple of
hours before that. Nothing about the gun shots at all.

 

[L Gilbert]

Hope Petros & crew are ok.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Hope Petros & crew are ok.

Petros has claimed the only problem he's had in the last couple of years
is that someone once stole his extension cord. I think he might have
mentioned that someone also stole a garden gnome, but that might have
been while he lived in a different neighbourhood (maybe a different city).

This is a long weekend. If someone was harmed, there should be some
confusing and misleading information with no names or details in the news,
so I'm not really worried. The stabbing by his place didn't produce a corpse,
and the one by my place did, and it's not me or anyone I know as far as I
know. The Gun shots by Petro's place didn't make the news, and the stand
-off by my place (two blocks away) hasn't either. Weird. Oh well...

Dexter Sinister is in the same city, but I'm assuming his income bracket
allows him (& his family) to be away from most of the nonsense and therefore
isolated from most of the B.S.

 

[Cannuck]

Petros has claimed the only problem he's had in the last couple of years
is that someone once stole his extension cord. I think he might have
mentioned that someone also stole a garden gnome, but that might have
been while he lived in a different neighbourhood (maybe a different city).

...or maybe the gnome absconded with the extension cord. Any idea how well Petros knew this gnome? Personally I wouldn't trust him. Randy Newman wrote a song years ago about his kind. "They got grubby little fingers and dirty little minds. They're gonna get you every time. Well, I don't want no short people...Don't want no short people...Don't want no short people 'round here". Wise words indeed.

 

[Colpy]

Damn...you guys were spelunking in the archives to find this one!!!!!

 

[Cannuck]

My mother caught me spelunking once. Oh my gawd was that ever embarrassing.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

I would bet that a third of the gins owned by law-abiding citizens aren't known to the authorities.

I'll bet none of them, along with the tonic owned by this citizen are known to the authorities.;-) But I know what you mean, I know of, possibly, maybe, many guns owned by regular folk are sorta, kinda, you know...unknown.

My neighbours up the street are banned from owning firearms. Both dad and junior got out of the clink last fall and so far the dad has been shot at once and junior has managed to get himself shot 4 times, twice in two separate shootouts. A judge has allowed him to move to New Brunswick for work where he might be safer. How's 'bout moving him to the middle of the Gulf of St. Laurence so we might be safer?

At least, like dogs, they don't crap where they sleep and all the shootings took place in the city, but hey, I keep myself protected just in case the action makes its way closer to home. BTW, junior got shot the first time while he was under police protection/surveillance.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

My mother caught me spelunking once. Oh my gawd was that ever embarrassing.

I heard you could go blind if you keep it up.

 

[VanIsle]

I've been scouring the news (online) looking for information about those gunshots
in North-Central in mid-afternoon yesterday, and all I can find is a bit about another
stabbing in that neighbourhood, about two blocks south of Petro's place...and that
is about three blocks from where my family members heard the shots a couple of
hours before that. Nothing about the gun shots at all.

That whole story was on TV here for about an hour and a half yesterday. I knew just by the pics. they showed and the people they talked to that they were in Iggy's neighbourhood. Iggy (Petros to you guys)said once that he goes to the school to help out with some of the troubled kids there. I've had a very un-comfortable feeling for awhile now and hearing the news added to that of course. The whole area was just as he described it. He did not mention the gangs though. The Indian Chief that I listened to said that there is a group of native kids (gang) that call themselves NSK. When they broke into his home (I think it was his home) and killed his sons, they were yelling NSK over and over. Stands for Native Syndicate Killers.
The news reported (and this took me back because I thought Vancouver had this award)that Regina is the crime captial of Canada in regard to gang crimes. It stated that it has held that position for the last 9 years. I was shocked. It looks very laid back and quiet there. I did spend the majority of my time at Depot so I guess that would explain not seeing anything remotely scary. Iggy and his wife and daughter live right in the midst of that scene. I really hope they are okay. It's odd that he has been gone for so long. Even if he doesn't come on line he usually sends a couple of lines so we know what he's been up to. I only know his first name so I can't even try to inquire.
The native people there feel they are being left out in the cold and not receiving the help they need. I hope that having it on TV brings it the attention it needs and that everyone pulls together to bring this to an end. The Chief was a very nice, well spoken man and I could not help but really listen to what he had to say.

 

[VanIsle]

My mother caught me spelunking once. Oh my gawd was that ever embarrassing.

Your Mother hangs out in caves??? You should let her know that we have progressed since those days.8O

 

[VanIsle]

Ron:
This is what words I googled - NSK in regina - recent events. It appears that the story I listened to yesterday is not new. I only read a bit of it but it seems to be the same. Maybe there was more regarding recent events that I missed. The TV was on but at first I wasn't really listening to it. In the article it says he lost his son but on TV he spoke of more than one son and he pointed out 3 rooms that he stated were his sons. He said they were stabbed.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Ron:
This is what words I googled - NSK in regina - recent events. It appears that the story I listened to yesterday is not new. I only read a bit of it but it seems to be the same. Maybe there was more regarding recent events that I missed. The TV was on but at first I wasn't really listening to it. In the article it says he lost his son but on TV he spoke of more than one son and he pointed out 3 rooms that he stated were his sons. He said they were stabbed.

NSK is one of the gangs. One of several. Are you asking about the
guy in the link (video) I posted above in post #223? If so, I believe
that the Father had three Sons that moved into the City from Piopot
Resv and these boys suffered a home invasion (7:30am sound
familiar?), but no knives that time. It was pipes & bats & metal bars,
all three boys got beaten...one to death.

If this isn't what you're asking about, then you'd have to be much more
specific as things are going on, on a regular basis here...

 

[VanIsle]

NSK is one of the gangs. One of several. Are you asking about the
guy in the link (video) I posted above in post #223? If so, I believe
that the Father had three Sons that moved into the City from Piopot
Resv and these boys suffered a home invasion (7:30am sound
familiar?), but no knives that time. It was pipes & bats & metal bars,
all three boys got beaten...one to death.

If this isn't what you're asking about, then you'd have to be much more
specific as things are going on, on a regular basis here...

It is the same in a sense. I'm wondering if it's an up-dated version. I listened to him speak (Chief Lavallee I believe)and he stated that two of his sons had been stabbed. He spoke of the 3rd one but I don't remember for certain if his third son died. He did say there was no guns at that time. He said they ran through the house yelling NSK and I gather there were beatings and more but I know for sure he said that at least 2 of his sons were dead as a result of the gang. He pointed to where they were stabbed.
I just heard on CTV that they are having a show on gangs on tomorrow night (Monday 18th). It is to be on at 9:00 PM our time so if you are interested, you would have to see what time it will be shown there. Maybe it will be on at 10:00.
They were talking about the gangs in Vancouver at that very moment but it sounded like they are going to talk about gangs period.

 

[JLM]

My mother caught me spelunking once. Oh my gawd was that ever embarrassing.

Serves you right if you weren't doing it in a cave.