Venezuela is a terrible example of progress
Are there any good examples these days? Didn't really think so.
It is flushing itself down the toilet with ever increasing rapidity.
As compared to....... what?
Its not progressing its regressing.
Depends on who you ask..... how about the fact that we're all currently in a recession as we read this and everything is going into the crapper? We can't point that out at the same time because it'd ruin the whole argument now wouldn't it?
Obviously they would be having down moments in certain areas of progress.... we all are..... that's an obvious given. But how much worse off are they compared to many of the same areas as us?
What is the amount of people per capita that are losing jobs and going hungry as compared to Canada or the US or the UK?
Go ahead.... I'm listening.
Any one who is educated, skilled or has money has either fled or is preparing to flee.
Funny, if I had the money, I'd be gone from this country long ago and heading to some other place where there are "Real" jobs with "Real" Pay..... but good argument attempt.
Really? Got a source for that claim?
Research and development funding is falling.
Wait until Harper unleashes his wonderful and well delayed plans in January and come back to me on that one. You're about to see a pile of funding cuts here in Canada as well.
Infrastructure repairs have ceased.
While we're still waiting for our government to start repairs on our own as they crumble and fall on people?
Good comparison.... keep em up.
Funding for advanced education has been reduced.
Go check out the US, their schools and the wonderful "No Child Left Behind" and get back to me on that one.
How about the high tuition fees here in Canada alone? I got years of stories from myself and many others on that topic.
Foreign investment has come to a halt.
With good reason and I support..... where's the problem?
Have you looked at our own in the last two-three years?
The few foreign businesses that have cut a deal under Chavez's policies are stripping out assets and doing zero reinvestment.
That's capitalism garbage in which I don't care about anyways.... no tears shed this way.
Oil production is rapidly falling mainly because all the skilled people who ran PDVSA have left the country.
Or have been booted out because of the restriction on people from the US in the country.... that and reduction of oil usage and production is a good thing in my books..... once again.... what's the problem?
Foreign relations with everyone but Daniel and Raul is in the crapper.
That's because he doesn't suck ass like everybody else..... wow what a concept.... it just boggles the mind doesn't it?
And a lot more people and countries like him a lot more then you think.
Most private business have all but given up.
Good.
The cities are becoming hollowed out and the country is devolving into a socialist agricultural peasant society.
Compared to...... what again? Funny thing is Canada and the US are right along with them all if that's the case.... see food bank comments and who's increasing their usage of them again.
On the upside Chavez has kept his word to the people and increased development in the rural villages.
More elementary schools and health clinics have been built and staffed in the poor agricultural regions.
But that does not change the reality that the country is regressing from a developmental point of view.
All good things if you ask me.... fix the most vulnerable first and that helps build a foundation for everyone else because they are no longer draining on society.
We've all seen just how well dishing out billions of dollars to banks and rich people does..... which is nothing. All the while regular joes around our nations are losing their jobs, their pays, their support and medical coverage left and right..... big wigs like those in AIG are flying all over the US to go get treated at spas, go golfing, having fancy dinners and retreats..... because afterall, their jobs are so hard :roll:
You know, everything you argued thus far has been 100% complete hypocritical garbage all the while completely avoiding the realities of what it's like in our own nations.... and the funny thing is that you're arguments are against Socialism and pro-capitalist..... all the while, once again, avoiding the well known facts of the flaws and failures of our own systems.
No system is perfect, but don't sit there and try and act like our sh*t don't stink.
Most of my buddies and acquaintances from Venezuela have left.
It happens in many countries around the world..... people leave for differing reasons. If they don't like their country anymore, so be it..... I know that may very well be one of my main reasons for leaving in the near future myself.
Those that haven't are making preparations.
Well I guess I'm in the preparing mode then.... oh and the guy who hired me into the industry I am working in today..... left Canada for better work and pay too in another country.... it's just taken me 4 years to figure out what he's already figured out.
Everyone is getting their money out of the country.
Funny, I'm already trying to keep my money away from my country..... what's the diff?
Getting a gun stuck in your face in downtown Caracas during broad daylight is getting way, way too common.
Yeah? Come to Halifax or head to Toronto and tell me what you think.
Personally I have refused to return there.
And personally, each day that goes by, I get sick of here..... oh yeah.... but once again if I had the money.....
And this is just me, to each their own.
Check out the piracy stats for South and Central America here:
Noonsite: Piracy
Amazing how bad its getting in Venezuela ain't it?
You must have your beer goggles on for what's going on around here.
I remember when you could hang out in Puerto la Cruz after dark.
Not too sure about that now.
And I remember I could remember a time when I could walk around downtown Halifax without having to worry about getting swarmmed, jumped, mugged or otherwised attacked by teenaged thug-wannabes..... and I am pretty sure about what it is like now.... yesterdays local news had a report of several 12 year old kids who raped a 10 year old girl at knife point not too far away from the Halifax Explosion memorial site..... how's that for class?
I am no apologist for Capitalism or Democracy.
I have no problems with Socialist governments and realize that in theory they can be a fair system of governance.
The people of Venezuela democratically elected Chavez.
Repeatedly.
Venezuela is a prime example of a small, educated and rich elite believing they should control a large, poor and uneducated majority.
You reap what you sow.
indeed.... once again.... take a look at the conditions of North America. The rich already control a large, poor and uneducated majority..... for a number of years at that now.
Venezuela now has a typical agrarian based socialist system.
Instead of the Capitalist system where the poor get poorer, Venezuela now has a system where everyone gets poorer.
Oh well, at least it's still equal. Then again, I guess when times really get sh*tty here in Canada, I can still mug some rich bas*ard to get some money, while there won't be many down there.
*snaps finger* darn.
The question now becomes is Venezuela successful raising up the poor?
Or completely destroying the educational and business systems and reducing itself to a rural peasant society?
I'd much rather ask that question about where I live first. Different method, same end result.
If it did not have oil it would have completely imploded by now.
So would Canada..... why else have we totally ignored every other sector of business, ignored environmental protection and we're unloading so many barrels of oil a day to the US? Because it's easier, quicker and makes the numbers look like we're actually doing alright as a nation..... which we're not.
If you want an example of South and Central American countries that are improving and
moving forward I would suggest looking at Brazil or maybe Chile.
Trex
Yeah I never had issues with them..... yet.
