Atheism: The reasons for it.
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:-? We are still evolving.
Modern man has evolved a much more sensitive throat and taste buds.
Much less inclined to swallow bull s h i t.
ergo: Atheism.
Just MHO.............:lol::lol:
Modern man has evolved a much more sensitive throat and taste buds.
Much less inclined to swallow bull s h i t.
ergo: Atheism.
Just MHO.............:lol::lol:
I'm pretty sure nothing created me but the happenstance of my parents coming together and a certain egg met a certain sperm. To suggest anything else is to suggest predestination and thus hard determinism and thus a lack of free will which destroys any and all point of existing no matter how we may perceive it. Determinism takes us from a participant and turns us into wallpaper.
You mean like our little toe has disappeared from lack of use? Or our vomeronasal organ? Or our extrinsic ear muscles? Wisdom teeth? The subclavious muscle (should you ave one)? Or your nipples (if you happen to be male)? Perhaps you mean like the appendix has vaporized from a lack of use? Or the male uterus?
I don't know what may have gotten David Suzuki to engage the idea that if we didn't use something it would disappear but clearly that isn't true.
There is far more than what you’re saying. An internal monologue is slow and cumbersome that doesn't serve us well. It is made negative because of how we interpret what is really going on with the subconscious which is forever suspicious.
The brain assembles various sensory data into an internal model of the universe which is a far cry from the hypothesis of the movie the Matrix. The Matrix supposes we live in a world other than what we perceive but fails to recognize that we can only reside in a world that we perceive otherwise we would need other sensory perception. If we had other sensory perception we would be something other than human. Also it does not follow that if we had other sensory perception we would see the world better but rather we would only see it differently.
Again a fallacy. It does not follow that because the brain constructs an internal model of the universe from sensory perception that somehow altering that perception is going to change the universe. In point of fact thinking you can cause effect by such a method is the very definition of delusion.
I think you are getting the Matrix theory confused with Plato wherein he talks of watching shadows on the wall and mistaking that for reality. Reality for any species is comprised of capacity and perception but to suggest that then means their reality isn't "real" is false. It is real enough for them. To change perception is only to change stimuli which isn't anything like perceiving properly but only differently. For example, if you perceived things as a bird does you would be mad and in need of psychological help.
The mechanism works differently than the way your claiming. I would also point out that being able to perceive something isn't the same as being able to control it. In point of fact, if you can control it then it isn't real (in terms of what is under discussion).
The Matrix was a silly Hollywood movie that served more cloud than clarity. The thing you’re talking about isn't a tool to give consolation to your ego.
You can give any name to anything if you're willing to redefine that thing. Redefining what being a god is, however, does not make us gods, it only changes the definition.
Most people are not as far removed from nature as they might presume. Any natural social order we see in animals people can be made to adopt. This does not mean they have been made to adopt it by anything more than the social requirements around them. There is no "they" to wake people up there are only varying degrees of social orders to which one can belong and join. If you would like your child to learn the things you mention you need only send them to a good private school. Will that give them an advantage - definitely yes; that does not, however, suggest a conspiracy. Most people do not have the money or desire to learn such things. They are of a lower order by their apathy and complacency.
Certainly not. I can see plainly that I am small and insignificant by looking at the universe. I can see that I am powerful and amazing because I can see the universe. I am thus the universe conscious.
I rail against religion because it would attempt to give silly antiquated explanations for the world around me and then demand that I be satisfied thereby. It would usurp my conscious and replace it with its own. Religion isn't a conspiracy but the demands of a human bent on the tyranny of his own perception being held as universal. His perception thus is intended to replace that of others like a virus; which is the reality of religion, it is a virus.
There are significant differences between the world within and the world without. If you lose sight of that then just like some Buddhists you may end up spending your days staring at a cave floor somewhere. What a sad and tragic waste of life.
I see no danger in what you think. You mean to change the world by thinking it. Manson tried that and it landed him in the loony bin.
"I find my thoughts more interesting than anything I can read." - Charles Manson on why he doesn't read in prison.
Again you suppose that we can control the world around us by altering our perception of it. I would submit this is false.
If you do not believe me then try this: think you can breathe water and in your mind become a fish. Once you have satisfactorily convinced yourself try breathing water.
If you must be careful of what you choose to believe then you are not controlling the world around you. A god, for example, does not have to worry that by believing he is a fish he might drown.
I appreciate your concern however I probably have a better grasp of the topic than you realize.
I appreciate your concern however I probably have a better grasp of the topic than you realize.
And that is a good thing! We may see things differently, but we see them on our own terms. That is freedom in and of itself.
And that is a good thing! We may see things differently, but we see them on our own terms. That is freedom in and of itself.
The reason I am an atheist is-
I see clearly, realistically, think for myself, don't have to be obedient to a religion, I feel empowered and free, I love my life, I love my earth, I can make my own decisions about
why we are here, I can decide how to live my life, what is important in my life, without
feeling guilty for not doing what my church wants, if I even try to connect to any god or
church I feel 'silly', as it all seems goofy to me, and no different than people praying to
any other make believe character. to me, it seems weak and helpless to follow a god, or
allow god like rules to control my journey through life.
I feel very happy and thoroughly trust our scientists that they are slowly opening the doors
to our beginning, and someday it will be figured out, in a scientific way, how our earth was
formed and how it began.
The idea that some god actually created this earth is lucicrous, and impossible in my view,
I am far too realistic to suck that idea in.
And, the treatment of some women in the world, as a result of the rules of religions is
disgusting, and just something designed by men to keep women 'down' and 'obedient' and
lower than them.
There are many reasons for atheism, the above are 'just' mine.
I see clearly, realistically, think for myself, don't have to be obedient to a religion, I feel empowered and free, I love my life, I love my earth, I can make my own decisions about
why we are here, I can decide how to live my life, what is important in my life, without
feeling guilty for not doing what my church wants, if I even try to connect to any god or
church I feel 'silly', as it all seems goofy to me, and no different than people praying to
any other make believe character. to me, it seems weak and helpless to follow a god, or
allow god like rules to control my journey through life.
I feel very happy and thoroughly trust our scientists that they are slowly opening the doors
to our beginning, and someday it will be figured out, in a scientific way, how our earth was
formed and how it began.
The idea that some god actually created this earth is lucicrous, and impossible in my view,
I am far too realistic to suck that idea in.
And, the treatment of some women in the world, as a result of the rules of religions is
disgusting, and just something designed by men to keep women 'down' and 'obedient' and
lower than them.
There are many reasons for atheism, the above are 'just' mine.
He's almost a god, but then so is Lafleur, Iginla, Lemeaux, pocket rocket, rocket,
There are hockey gods, and golf gods, the golf gods are never on my side.;-)
Super player. But not in the same category as `The Rocket`. No-one will ever be.
I'm not a big hockey fan but my dad was. He was raised in and lived in Montreal all his life. His hero was Gordy Howe. I was brain washed by his enthusiasm.
I'm not a big hockey fan but my dad was. He was raised in and lived in Montreal all his life. His hero was Gordy Howe. I was brain washed by his enthusiasm.
Good post, intelligent and thoughtful as usual, and I entirely concur with your sentiments.
I'm an atheist because it's the only position that makes sense to me. I grew up in a religious household and for years just accepted the parental pronouncements as received wisdom, until I learned to think for myself. The more I thought about it all the less sense it made. Burning bushes, talking snakes, "thou shalt not kill" followed by a campaign of murder and genocide with divine support and approval... It finally struck me that it doesn't really explain anything. It pretends to, but ultimately it ends up saying there are no explanations for some things beyond the mystical and unsatisfying pronouncement that god did it. To a student of science, as I was at the time (the first one in four generations of my family that we know about), that's anathema, a surrender to never really understanding. I became apostate, a process that was pretty painful both for myself and my parents, but I couldn't honestly do anything else.
I'm convinced that a good scientific education is likely to be pretty corrosive to religious belief, but given the quality of my life I can't think that it's a bad thing.
Of course there are varying degrees of evil, and wrong acts. We all what the varying degrees are as humans, as for what the degrees are to God, who knows. We all know that lying in wrong, but we all know that murder is really, really, really wrong. But the points was that no evil, whatsoever, is more powerful than God, or God dying on the cross. That one act was suffice to defeat it all. It takes real repentance in the heart however.
Please try to understand my view. What I believe to be the inerrant word of god states that christ death was suffice to defeat all evil. As difficult as it is to understand, even if Hitler TRULY repented, and accepted christ's death as salvation, God would forgive. God's love and mercy is just that great. His perfect love and perfect justice is bigger that any evil, ever commited.
Hitler did no such thing though, he killed himself in a bunker when the allies were closing in. Even if he had been saved by god's good grace, this is how I look at it:
One of my favorite references to christianity is when Homer Simpson called it "the winning team". The MVP who has been with team from the beginning of the season, gone through hard work and many tribulations, will taste sweeter victory than the guy barely on the team. The guy traded at the deadline, sits on the bench as a backup. He's happy to be on the winning team, but he can't enjoy, or know, the virtues from going through the struggle.
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