What should be done to prevent more ships from being pirated?

[Colpy]

Four things should be done:

1. A complete refusal to pay any ransom, whether for crew members, vessels or cargo.

2. Countries should be asked to send warships to the area to hunt down pirates......their vessels should be sunk at sea, with no rescue attempts made.

3. The countries involved in the naval patrols should be encouraged to include an anti-piracy squad to attack and repossess any pirated vessel, without negotiation.

4. The arming of vessels and crews should be encouraged.

We should use the following as a historical template for our actions:

...........(Thomas) Jefferson faced the issue of what to do about the Barbary States, a group of small pirate nations on the Mediterranean that were preying on international commerce by sailing out to passing merchant ships and demanding spare change. Most major nations were paying bribes, or "tribute", to the Barbary States in exchange for safe passage, but Jefferson angrily rejected this idea with his famous epigram "To Hell with those Dirtbags"
So he sent some warships over there to explain to the pirates, in diplomatic terms, the various international implications of having their bodies perforated by eight-inch cannonball holes, and the pirates agreed to cool it.......

from Dave Barry Slept Here: A Sort of History of the United States, by David Barry:lol:

 

[Albertabound]

My question is ...how do you even board a supper tanker in motion? How big are these prirate ships.

 

[darkbeaver]

What the hell are you talking about?? These people are criminals and should be dealt with as criminals. Shoot them. Sink their vessels. Hunt them down where they live. There are honest people working on the ships these criminals hijack. Do we care about those the hijackers have killed? DB that was one of the more shallow posts you've made. Why would anyone negotiate with killers and thieves?

It's done everyday by your government Juan, it's what makes the world go round man.
My goodness Juan you will not make a diplomat will you? Your hands would have gone for Saddams throat right away right? Ultimately they live in banks Juan. Where do you think the ransoms go, it's not all spent on rum and wenches.

 

[scratch]

So it finally comes out.

SEPARATION.

Nation by yourselves?

How will you meet the UNs requirements to become a sovereign nation?

I would opt for piracy, pays better.

 

[Unforgiven]

Nuke Somalia, problem solved.

 

[darkbeaver]

My question is ...how do you even board a supper tanker in motion? How big are these prirate ships.

I understand that they scaled her sides like flies. Probably closed with her at night and shot a grapplig line just back of the bow and went up the line in good order.

 

[darkbeaver]

We in Nova Scotia like to be referred to as "Privateers" as it sounds fancier and more professional.

And yes, NS does have a long history with pirates and a good chunk of our tourism can be linked to various historic moments in time that involved pirates..... they say there's still treasure that was never found out in Smugglers' Cove.

^ I've been there.... good luck finding it, as the tide's a b*tch.

But I don't think anybody in Nova Scotia is planning on the Piracy plan anytime soon.... not until we seperate from Canada anyways.

Tourism, Praxius you are a genius. Why not pirate tours, you know just like whalewatching tours, we jam the decks with tourists so they could observe the NS pirate in it's natural setting/gift shops/

 

[Albertabound]

I understand that they scaled her sides like flies.

That ..I would like to see.

 

[Praxius]

What the hell are you talking about?? These people are criminals and should be dealt with as criminals. Shoot them. Sink their vessels. Hunt them down where they live. There are honest people working on the ships these criminals hijack. Do we care about those the hijackers have killed? DB that was one of the more shallow posts you've made. Why would anyone negotiate with killers and thieves?

The same reason why Afghan authorities are planning to negotiate with the Taliban..... because it get's things done and may save more lives down the road, rather then being stubbron and trying to prove a point.

 

[Praxius]

Just for a moment I'll treat this as a serious discussion.

Well that's good, because I was serious.

The taliban could be seen as fighting invaders of their own country.........If you squint hard enough.....So I'll give you that.

These pirates however, are attacking vessels in international waters, hijacking them and taking any passengers and crew as hostages. This is the unlawful interference of trade between countries that have every right to that trade. Indeed, trade is the lifeblood of most countries and they have a right to protect themselves and their trade. To negotiate with these criminals is foolish because you would be giving them a legitimacy they don't have a right to. I haven't even mentioned the rights of the people working on the hijacked ships but I'm sure you will agree that they have rights.

Well everybody has rights, but your reasoning in regards to not negotiating with criminals is no different then the US's stance on not negotiating with Terrorists.... just different words for the same thing.

My point is that the chances of actually defeating one or the other is pretty much an impossibility. People resort to criminal activity usually due to desperation or protest. If you think a War on Piracy can actually work, you are unfortunatly deluding yourself much like the same people who believe the War on Drugs or the War on Terrorism can actually be won...... you're fighting an ideal/concept.... not a standard organization where if you cut the head off, the rest will fall...... these types of issues have no head to cut off.

If Piracy could be defeated, then we wouldn't be talking about it today, because it would have been exterminated back in the Colonial Days.

You can fight and fight and fight..... blow things up, nuke whoever, destroy families and homes..... but what good does it do if there is nothing left to go back to when it is all said and done?

And I am not ignoring the people who work on those vessels who are doing their jobs, which is why I am holding the stance I am.... because escilating the situation with more and more force isn't going to solve anything, and will only endanger those people even futher as the pirates take even more drastic measures to counter those actions.

If more force actually solved anything, then Iraq would be like Sweeden by now, Afghanistan would be calm and peaceful like a hindu cow, and all the drug cartels around the world would have stopped with their production and dealings back in the 80's.

None of this happened, so chances are, it won't work in this situation either.

 

[TenPenny]

A simple solution: board the ship with SAS members, and make the pirates simply 'disappear'. Once it stops being a lucrative, rewarding career, and after a few thousand people disappear into the ocean without a trace, maybe the problem will go away.

 

[Praxius]

Tourism, Praxius you are a genius. Why not pirate tours, you know just like whalewatching tours, we jam the decks with tourists so they could observe the NS pirate in it's natural setting/gift shops/

And even better idea is to load the boats up with tourists, head for a ship to pirate and get the tourists to board the ship first (Say it's all part of the show or something) then when the ship being attacked wastes most of their ammo on the tourists, the experienced pirates board and take over with more ease......

and then not only would we have the ship in our control, but the tourists are dead, we already got their money as well, and we don't have to worry about dragging their arses back to shore..... just dump them in the water for the sharks along with the crew of the other vessel.

What tourists? We just went fishing today officer and we stumbled accross this ship with no crew... it was in international waters, so we claimed it as our own, along with all the property and stock within..... bullet holes? Blood? That was all there when we got here.

 

[Praxius]

It's heartening to see young entreprenurial thinking in action Praxius, very dynamic stuff moving forward. There may be a small problem with return business we should examine, but overall the plan seems to be meating up. Someone will have to do some leg work chasing provincial grants.

Well we can just tie up that loose end by saying after the first tour (Where they all die) they get to be transported to a second vessel (with a doctorned name and vessel identification from Greenland) which would take them around the coast of NS to see some more sights after then "Enactment."

Then when people start questioning where they all went, we can just say that information is in the jurisdiction of the government of Greenland and they will have to contact the proper representative..... holding them up in more burocracy for a year or two while Greenland tries to figure out what the heck is going on.

And by the time anybody figured out what was going on, Nova Scotia will have all the money it needs to build the technology to physically break off from New Brunswick, convert into a massive submarine and become a nation nobody can find.

Mooooo Hooooo Haw haw haw haw haw!!!!

Wait, now you all know too much.... someone delete all this information

 

[darkbeaver]

So it finally comes out.

SEPARATION.

Nation by yourselves?

How will you meet the UNs requirements to become a sovereign nation?

I would opt for piracy, pays better.

I think a portfolio that has some divercity is the best option as well. The combination of coastal piracy and transfer payments should serve Nova Scotians well moving forward. It's this kind of inovation that will form the basis of competative Maritime investment oportunities also moving forward. We will no longer be held ransom by lumber and fish and coal moving forward and a bit to the right.

 

[lone wolf]

Ram them. Feed the fish. Have you seen how little a pirate ship is?

 

[darkbeaver]

Well we can just tie up that loose end by saying after the first tour (Where they all die) they get to be transported to a second vessel (with a doctorned name and vessel identification from Greenland) which would take them around the coast of NS to see some more sights after then "Enactment."

Then when people start questioning where they all went, we can just say that information is in the jurisdiction of the government of Greenland and they will have to contact the proper representative..... holding them up in more burocracy for a year or two while Greenland tries to figure out what the heck is going on.

And by the time anybody figured out what was going on, Nova Scotia will have all the money it needs to build the technology to physically break off from New Brunswick, convert into a massive submarine and become a nation nobody can find.

Mooooo Hooooo Haw haw haw haw haw!!!!

Wait, now you all know too much.... someone delete all this information

Switch to our secure satillite channels.:smile:

 

[Albertabound]

Ram them. Feed the fish. Have you seen how little a pirate ship is?

That's why I have a hard time believing that they can just pull up beside, and scale a moving oil supper tanker, like spider man.

 

[darkbeaver]

I was thinking of the physical separation from the mainland just this weekend. We need a moat between us and the NBers, the draw bridge from us to them, (make sure we emphsize that in the drawings) this will prevent raids from the potatoe people.

 

[scratch]

The element of surprize and superb training in this act.

 

[darkbeaver]

That's why I have a hard time believing that they can just pull up beside, and scale a moving oil supper tanker, like spider man.

We see them in Halifax all the time, I think it would be easy. How much of the heist has got inside help, line droppers, signal relayers, saboteurs trackers and dispatchers, the guys getting wet are just the field teams, there would be a lot of suits involved, every body gets a cut, the loot moves through the economy people eat and spend go off to pirate school get married and have little pirates and the world is a better place for it.