Young Liberals want to dump the monarchy

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Giving up the monarchy is not synonymous with giving up the parliamentary system.

Abandoning the Monarchy is synonymous with stupidity, never mind costly.

What is to be accomplished by dumping the monarchy except to appease revisionists?

 

[Spade]

Perhaps "revisionists" should be shot...
Ain't monarchies grand!

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Perhaps "revisionists" should be shot...
Ain't monarchies grand!

We don't shoot people anymore. The Liberals took all our guns away.

Except Colpy's

 

[Spade]

Colpy has lost his aim.

 

[talloola]

You know one thing I have always admired about Quebec, it is their refusal to surrender their culture to the rest of the Country. So often I hear complaint about our Country becoming Americanized, but yet many of those same people often call for the end to the Monarchy. Our connection to the Monarchy is really just symbolic now, the Queen really has no say in our destiny.

Why should we abandon a parliamentary system that serves us well, distinguishes us from our neighbors to the south, and is a huge part of where we come from? Is it to erase how Canada came into being?

The Liberal Party of Canada is adrift in a sea of stupidity and can't seem to find a star by which to chart a fresh course.

I totally agree.

 

[In Between Man]

Is it to erase how Canada came into being?

And that's what really grinds my gears about these young liberals. We were the ones who stayed loyal to the monarchy thus differentiating us from the Americans. That's was the whole point to Canada to begin with!

 

[Cliffy]

And that's what really grinds my gears about these young liberals. We were the ones who stayed loyal to the monarchy thus differentiating us from the Americans. That's was the whole point to Canada to begin with!

Cuz we were too immature to declare our independence? We still needed to cling to mommy's apron strings? A queen differentiates us from the US? Queens are a dime a dozen in any major city. This is beyond the lamest excuse for keeping the monarchy.

 

[taxslave]

You know one thing I have always admired about Quebec, it is their refusal to surrender their culture to the rest of the Country. So often I hear complaint about our Country becoming Americanized, but yet many of those same people often call for the end to the Monarchy. Our connection to the Monarchy is really just symbolic now, the Queen really has no say in our destiny.

Why should we abandon a parliamentary system that serves us well, distinguishes us from our neighbors to the south, and is a huge part of where we come from? Is it to erase how Canada came into being?

The Liberal Party of Canada is adrift in a sea of stupidity and can't seem to find a star by which to chart a fresh course.

For many of us it is not were we are from. Unless you count the oppressive British presence in Ireland.

 

[wulfie68]

For many of us it is not were we are from. Unless you count the oppressive British presence in Ireland.

Debate on the validity of the "oppressive British presence in Ireland" aside, it may not be where your specific ethnicity/ancestors hail from, but it is a large part of the national identity. Canada was formed from English and former French colonies (that the Brits took over in the course of the warfare that never seemed to end between those two countries until the early-mid 1800s), that were subjects of the British Crown. On a day-to-day level, it doesn't amount to much any more (except perhaps to our native peoples, especially in the East, the ancestors of many of them signed treaties with the representatives of the Crown) but thats where the nation originates.

 

[Blackleaf]

Sorry Blackleaf, but you are absolutely wrong. The Queen DOES have very real powers under the Canadian constitution, but they are of a nature that they are only required to be invoked under pretty extreme or extraordinary circumstance.

There is the royal prerogative, which is a group of powers which are handed from monarchs to ministers and allows them to take action without the backing of parliament.

However, most of these powers are exercised on the advice of cabinet ministers or others. The Queen cannot just exercise her powers at will on her own. The vehicle through which the Queen receives such advice - apart from her weekly or more frequent meetings with the prime minister - is through a body known as the Privy Council. So the Queen has almost no powers she can use on her own.

These are the monarch's prerogative powers:


Domestic Affairs
The appointment and dismissal of ministers;
The summoning, prorogation and dissolution of Parliament;
Royal assent to bills;
The appointment and regulation of the civil service;
The commissioning of officers in the armed forces;
Directing the disposition of the armed forces in the UK;
Appointment of Queen's Counsel;
Issue and withdrawal of passports;
Prerogative of mercy. (Used to apply in capital punishment cases. Still used, eg to remedy errors in sentence calculation)
Granting honours;
Creation of corporations by Charter;

Foreign Affairs
The making of treaties;
Declaration of war;
Deployment of armed forces overseas;
Recognition of foreign states;
Accreditation and reception of diplomats

In fact, the fact that any newly elected leader needs the permission of the Queen to form a government is a very good system to have. It makes it less likely that Britain will become a dictatorship. That's because if a would-be dictator wanted to form a government the Queen can prevent him or her from doing so. And the Queen herself cannot become a dictator because she has almost no power. It's very clever.

 

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[Cannuck]

In fact, the fact that any newly elected leader needs the permission of the Queen to form a government is a very good system to have. It makes it less likely that Britain will become a dictatorship. That's because if a would-be dictator wanted to form a government the Queen can prevent him or her from doing so. And the Queen herself cannot become a dictator because she has almost no power. It's very clever.

Apparently she has the power to prevent somebody else from gaining power. Seems like power to me. I haven't been given that same power. Have you? What exactly makes Liz so special that she gets that power and you and I don't?

 

[JLM]

Apparently she has the power to prevent somebody else from gaining power. Seems like power to me. I haven't been given that same power. Have you? What exactly makes Liz so special that she gets that power and you and I don't?

Thank Christ for that, at least she doesn't twist and turn!

 

[gerryh]

Apparently she has the power to prevent somebody else from gaining power. Seems like power to me. I haven't been given that same power. Have you? What exactly makes Liz so special that she gets that power and you and I don't?

She has a working brain, you don't.

 

[talloola]

Apparently she has the power to prevent somebody else from gaining power. Seems like power to me. I haven't been given that same power. Have you? What exactly makes Liz so special that she gets that power and you and I don't?

she has the power to intervene, if a canadian government becomes so corrupt, that someone has to step in

to prevent harm to the people.

good power in my opinion.

if you were in anyway in power in this country, I would move out.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Apparently she has the power to prevent somebody else from gaining power. Seems like power to me. I haven't been given that same power. Have you? What exactly makes Liz so special that she gets that power and you and I don't?

Good Grief, just because you weren't born into royalty, had a rich Daddy or were too lazy to get an education and make something out of yourself does not mean that you were cheated out of some perceived right to have power.

 

[The Old Medic]

Young Liberals want to cut royal ties

OTTAWA—Liberal party members will debate whether Canada should sever its ties to the monarchy when they meet in Ottawa this month.

A policy resolution, calling for an elected Canadian head of state, has been put on the policy agenda of the Liberal convention by the youth wing of the party.

“Be it resolved that the Liberal Party of Canada urges the Parliament of Canada to form an all-party committee to study the implementation of instituting a Canadian head of state, popularly elected, and sever formal ties with the British Crown,” states the resolution, which is among 30 policy ideas deemed “priority” items for debate at the Jan 13-15 gathering.

The prospect of cutting ties to the monarchy flies in the face of the Conservative government efforts in recent years to boost the royal image — and runs counter to polling last year that showed Canadians are still largely in favour of those historic links to the throne.

Pro-monarchy sentiment ran high last summer, for instance, around the visit to Canada of Prince William and Kate.

An Angus Reid poll at the time showed 58 per cent of Canadians in favour of continued ties to the monarchy, with only 33 per cent who wanted Canada to break away from the throne. Quebecers felt differently, with 58 per cent of respondents agreeing it was time to end Canada’s royal connections.

The Young Liberals of Canada, in their resolution, lay out a number of arguments against the monarchy.

“Canadians believe in earning one’s position in life and not being simply born into privilege,” the resolution states.

It also argues that, at present, no Canadian can ever aspire to be head of state and that under the rules of royal succession, no one except a person of the Anglican faith can be the monarch reigning over Canada. “Our head of state should be a true representative of the people of Canada,” states the resolution.

Last year, Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s government reintroduced the “royal” title back into the names of Canada’s navy and air force. As well, Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird ordered portraits of the Queen to be given more prominence at Foreign Affairs headquarters in Ottawa and in Canadian embassies around the world.

It remains to be seen whether the anti-monarchy resolution will find favour with the Liberal party as a whole when it holds its first convention since getting knocked to third-party status for the first time in its history. Even if it did pass, it would mainly be a symbolic gesture, since the party is in no position to implement any of the policies it adopts at the gathering.

Other ideas up for debate at the convention include calls for a national child-care program, support for the Canadian Wheat Board and full-tuition subsidies for students in first and last years of post-secondary education. These were all ideas that had been embraced by past Liberal governments, but rejected or scrapped by the Conservative government.

Meanwhile, in the race for party president, candidate Mike Crawley — one of five vying to replace long-time president Alf Apps — received an endorsement from former cabinet minister Belinda Stronach Tuesday. Crawley has been a vocal critic of the party’s operations and has promised to give members a greater voice in the development of policy.

Also running for party leadership are former cabinet minister Shelia Copps, Kingston-area riding president Ron Hartling, long-time Liberal party organizer Charles Ward, and former Montreal MP Alexandra Mendes.

Canada News: Young Liberals want to cut royal ties - thestar.com

I see that the Liberals want to make certain that they remain a tiny minority party, for the forseeable future. This kind of nonsense will make certain that this happens.

 

[Cannuck]

she has the power to intervene, if a canadian government becomes so corrupt, that someone has to step in

to prevent harm to the people.

good power in my opinion.

if you were in anyway in power in this country, I would move out.

The feeling is mutual but the nattering from the likes of you Gerry and JLM, does nothing to address the issue of why Liz gets to have this power. I can only gather that you have no real defense of the idea of birth rite.

 

[WLDB]

she has the power to intervene, if a canadian government becomes so corrupt, that someone has to step in

to prevent harm to the people.

Chances are that a government that corrupt wouldn't listen to an elderly woman on the other side of the Atlantic.

 

[Cannuck]

Good Grief, just because you weren't born into royalty, had a rich Daddy or were too lazy to get an education and make something out of yourself does not mean that you were cheated out of some perceived right to have power.

I'm really beginning to wonder if you and JLM are in some type of competition to see who can say the most idiotic things on this forum. I have the right to have power. Unlike Liz, I must earn it. Why is the concept of earning what you have so distasteful to you (or do you not find it distasteful and are just incapable of grasping what the discussion is about)?