Young Liberals want to dump the monarchy

[Cannuck]

Heard on the radio just yesterday that students of rich parents do better in school than those of poor parents, if THAT is so it begs the question about all people being born equal! :lol:

You still can't seem to grasp that we are talking legally and not economically, intellectually, physically or socially.

 

[JLM]

You still can't seem to grasp that we are talking legally and not economically, intellectually, physically or socially.

So it's important to be born equal, legally, not mattering if you don't have the money, smarts, strength or social skills to be treated equally? Actually that could be very handy- a judge could rule that a pauper has just as much right as anyone else to buy a Cadillac. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[Cannuck]

So it's important to be born equal, legally, not mattering if you don't have the money, smarts, strength or social skills to be treated equally? Actually that could be very handy- a judge could rule that a pauper has just as much right as anyone else to buy a Cadillac.

A pauper does have the right to buy a Cadillac. He has the right to do anything else that Liz wants to do...except to become the head of state.

 

[Cliffy]

What sort of left over logic would necessitate a figure head such as an elected Gov. Gen.? Why do people still need a figure head to lord over them? Do they feel that they can't make decisions for themselves? Don't trust themselves to know what is best for them? What ever happened to the simple concept of taking responsibility for one's own life?

 

[L Gilbert]

I think monarchies are ridiculous, but I'm against removing it from Canada simply because it'd cost a huge amount of money.

 

[Cannuck]

I think monarchies are ridiculous, but I'm against removing it from Canada simply because it'd cost a huge amount of money.

Ditto

 

[ironsides]

What sort of left over logic would necessitate a figure head such as an elected Gov. Gen.? Why do people still need a figure head to lord over them? Do they feel that they can't make decisions for themselves? Don't trust themselves to know what is best for them? What ever happened to the simple concept of taking responsibility for one's own life?

We would be just like a bunch of mice running around bumping into each other, we stopped taking care of one's own life when we became two people. ;-)

 

[JLM]

A pauper does have the right to buy a Cadillac. He has the right to do anything else that Liz wants to do...except to become the head of state.

What good does it do him?

These "rights" are a bunch of hog wash in reality, but still a very nice sentiment. Case in point Steve Harper and myself show up in emergency both in dire need of a gall bladder operation at exactly the same time and there is only one doctor. Who gets the operation first? So any argument that we have the same rights as Lizzy is bullsh*t. Rights on paper is about as effective as eating "deer track" soup.

What sort of left over logic would necessitate a figure head such as an elected Gov. Gen.? Why do people still need a figure head to lord over them? Do they feel that they can't make decisions for themselves? Don't trust themselves to know what is best for them? What ever happened to the simple concept of taking responsibility for one's own life?

Who does that sh*t anymore?

I think monarchies are ridiculous, but I'm against removing it from Canada simply because it'd cost a huge amount of money.

Not to mention some bureaucrat would find a reason for having to have 3 people to replace her!

 

[gerryh]

There's another push from the Libs. This past 6 months, it seems all I'm seeing is the Libs pushing me closer and closer to the conservatives.


and by the way machjo.... being Catholic.... why the hell should I care who the monarchy can and can't marry? Considering the history, I have no problem whatsoever with the rule, and really, the only ones it should concern are those in line to the throne. Even then, it really doesn't matter. If they want to marry a Catholic they can, it just means they are removed from line, that's all.

 

[Spade]

To be frank, Gerry, if the Brits want a monarch, Gawd bless 'em. If that monarch is a Oleomargarine by faith, what does it matter to me. However, I am a Canadian and not a compliant colonial.

 

[Goober]

To be frank, Gerry, if the Brits want a monarch, Gawd bless 'em. If that monarch is a Oleomargarine by faith, what does it matter to me. However, I am a Canadian and not a compliant colonial.

So traditions that began with us as a country should be set aside?

 

[Spade]

So traditions that began with us as a country should be set aside?

We started with a French monarch and intendants.

 

[gerryh]

To be frank, Gerry, if the Brits want a monarch, Gawd bless 'em. If that monarch is a Oleomargarine by faith, what does it matter to me. However, I am a Canadian and not a compliant colonial.

Canada has had the Monarchy from day one. I personally see no reason or advantage to "dumping" the Monarchy. I also am intelligent enough to know that even though we share the same Monarch as Britain, the institutions are separate.

 

[Spade]

Sort of like the Trinity.

 

[damngrumpy]

The only real interest on my part is self serving, as a good Scott, I am still behind the
Stuart line. One of my ancestors was Stuart II. If they were to end the Tudor reign I
would agree. Seriously though the only reason we have the Monarchy is fear. a long
time ago Oliver Cromwell disposed of the Monarchy and the results was worse than
having the king. In five years Brits had enough and went back to Monarchist rule.
Today it is about pomp and tourist entertainment and an expensive act it is.
In Canada it is long overdue, while I agree we should have a commonwealth of nations
we don't need a Monarch to do that either.
Anything to get rid of the Tudors though, I am in favour of.

 

[Goober]

We started with a French monarch and intendants.

Why throw aside what we had. Why not add to what we have?

 

[taxslave]

Nobody needs to vote for Canada's Head of State because Canada's Head of State is purely ceremonial and has no political powers.

As I've said on discussion forums many times before, having elections to elect a ceremonial Head of State is not only a waste of time but also a waste of money.

that is two strikes. The third is being a foreigner.

So traditions that began with us as a country should be set aside?

Traditions are for people that are too lazy to try something new.

 

[damngrumpy]

We should get rid of the Tudor line and put the Scott's back on the throne, if they did that
I would think about supporting the monarchy, but again its from a self interest point of
view. We don't need the monarchy all these palaces could be redesigned for low income
housing. Think if we turned to monarchy holdings over to the Canadian Pickers,
they could spend a whole year in there.
Mind you, if we got rid of them who would parade around Parliament Hill for the tourists.
I know the occupy movement and they would do it for free.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

You know one thing I have always admired about Quebec, it is their refusal to surrender their culture to the rest of the Country. So often I hear complaint about our Country becoming Americanized, but yet many of those same people often call for the end to the Monarchy. Our connection to the Monarchy is really just symbolic now, the Queen really has no say in our destiny.

Why should we abandon a parliamentary system that serves us well, distinguishes us from our neighbors to the south, and is a huge part of where we come from? Is it to erase how Canada came into being?

The Liberal Party of Canada is adrift in a sea of stupidity and can't seem to find a star by which to chart a fresh course.

 

[Spade]

Giving up the monarchy is not synonymous with giving up the parliamentary system.