Why UK should abolish its 'failed' monarchy

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Editor's note: Graham Smith has been chief executive since 2005 of Republic, which campaigns for a democratic alternative to the monarchy. Previously he was involved in political campaigning, community activism and the corporate sector.

London (CNN) -- With all the fuss in the media at the moment about Queen Elizabeth II's Diamond Jubilee anyone could be forgiven for thinking that the British are united in their adoration of their monarch. The reality is that while a large swathe of public opinion is largely indifferent to the royals -- but happy to have an extra public holiday to mark the jubilee -- many millions want the whole institution of monarchy consigned to the history books.

The British republican movement has been growing rapidly over the past 18 months -- thanks in large part to the heightened royal coverage prompted by last year's wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton and this year's jubilee. Our cause is simple: it's about democratic reform and a rejection of inherited power and privilege. The case for Britain becoming a republic is threefold: the monarchy is wrong in principle, in practice and it is wrong politically.

We're supposed to be a democratic society, which means we should cherish and value democratic values, such as equality of citizenship, freedom to participate in government, accountability and transparency. In a democratic society there is no room for a head of state who is put there for life and by birth. A hereditary monarch has no place in a society that believes "we the people" should be in charge. The principled objection is unanswerable.

In practice the monarchy is an institution that is not fit for purpose. It is secretive, having recently lobbied successfully to have itself removed entirely from the reaches of our Freedom of Information laws; it lobbies government ministers for improvements to its financial benefits and for its own private agenda; it is hugely costly -- an estimated £202 million a year, enough to pay for thousands of teachers, nurses or police officers at a time of sweeping public spending cuts.

The queen and Prince Charles must be asked for consent before our elected parliament is able to debate any legislation that affects their private interests -- that consent is sought in secret and we have no idea whether, how or how many times it has been used.
Politically the monarchy is wrong because -- contrary to what is believed by many here and abroad -- it is a central feature of our unwritten constitution. The "Crown" is the supreme authority in this country -- not the people. The Crown has vast powers that cannot be challenged in a court of law and those powers are exercised by the queen on the instruction of our prime minister.

Those powers include considerable patronage -- the ability to appoint bishops, government ministers, heads of public bodies and so on -- as well as the power to go to war, sign treaties and change the law through the little-understood Privy Council. Thanks to the Crown there is almost no limit to the power of our politicians other than those limits they place upon themselves (such as our Human Rights Act, which they have the power to repeal). The pomp of the monarchy is a neat way of distracting from this highly questionable constitutional arrangement.

It is the power of the Crown and the authority it gives our politicians that most likely explains the hostility every government has shown the republican movement. But rather than engage with the issue on these serious matters most monarchists instead implore us to believe in fantasy and make-believe. "The queen has never put a foot wrong" is the time-honored cliché, along with "but what about all the tourism the monarchy generates?"

The tourism argument goes that as Britain has a monarchy and also attracts a lot of tourists, the monarchy obviously acts as a great tourism magnet and therefore generates millions of pounds of revenue and economic activity. The problem is that there are no facts to back this up.

Does the monarchy pay its way?

There is no reason to believe that if Britain abandoned the monarchy tourism would suffer -- that's something even the head of official tourism agency VisitBritain has acknowledged. Our history is certainly an attraction -- and the great thing about our history is that it will always be there regardless of what we do in the future. Selling hotel rooms and "I Love London" T-shirts is, anyway, no reason to abandon a proud ambition for democratic reform.

As for the queen, well we really have no idea how she has done her job given that most of it is done behind closed doors. There has never been any real scrutiny of her role and she has never had to compete in open and free competition for the job. If keeping quiet and cutting ribbons is all we can expect of our head of state then perhaps we can agree she's done well -- but surely we can expect more.
As a national figurehead and leading public figure the queen has utterly failed to do anything of note or worth. After 60 years who can quote a famous speech or point to a moment of crisis or celebration when the queen offered leadership and inspiration?

For all the failures of the monarchy -- in principle, practice and in political terms -- the queen and the institution offer little in return but an empty chair where an inspiring national figure could have stood. These are the reasons why come the jubilee, republicans will be rejecting the celebrations and demanding real democratic change.

Why UK should abolish its 'failed' monarchy - CNN.com
 

gerryh

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an article of so much hot air. He offers nothing but insinuation and supposition. Exactly what I have come to expect from the "anti-monarchists".
 

PoliticalNick

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an article of so much hot air. He offers nothing but insinuation and supposition. Exactly what I have come to expect from the "anti-monarchists".

What isn't hot air is they are above the law in every commonwealth nation and they cost the taxpayers 200 million pounds a year ($30 million in Canada for Willy & Kate's visit). Their status as head of state ina democracy is laughable and quite retarded. It is time for them to disappear quietly and give back the bilions in assets the public coffers have paid for.
 

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What isn't hot air is they are above the law in every commonwealth nation and they cost the taxpayers 200 million pounds a year ($30 million in Canada for Willy & Kate's visit). Their status as head of state ina democracy is laughable and quite retarded. It is time for them to disappear quietly and give back the bilions in assets the public coffers have paid for.

I wonder if this is true, it's what caught my eye when I read the article, are they really in that much control? Because all I have ever heard is that they are a figurehead and nothing more.
 

PoliticalNick

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I wonder if this is true, it's what caught my eye when I read the article, are they really in that much control? Because all I have ever heard is that they are a figurehead and nothing more.

In Canada and Australia and a few other commonwealth nations the queen is a figurehead but still legally has to approve all legislation and the right to reject any legislation.
 

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If she has that right, she is not a figurehead, no?


It would be political suicide to overthrow legislation unless the government has been in some form highjacked and is proven to not be representing the will of the country. Which makes her less of a figurehead, and more like a failsafe.
 

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It would be political suicide to overthrow legislation unless the government has been in some form highjacked and is proven to not be representing the will of the country. Which makes her less of a figurehead, and more like a failsafe.
Sounds like the Harpo government. They only represent the interests of their corporate masters and were only elected by 37% of the population. Sounds like they are not representing the will of the country to me.
 

PoliticalNick

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If she has that right, she is not a figurehead, no?
No she isn't a figurehead. She has the final say on all legislation. She is constitutionally the head of state. Contrary to popular belief the 1982 constitution act that supposedly removed a lot of her powers is legally invalid as not all provinces signed it and it was never ratified by referendum so realistically she is really in control of the country.
It would be political suicide to overthrow legislation unless the government has been in some form highjacked and is proven to not be representing the will of the country. Which makes her less of a figurehead, and more like a failsafe.
What do you mean by 'political suicide'? It's not like she can be voted out of office for making an unpopular choice or denying some legislation. She answers to nobody in any way. The worst thing for her (best for us) would be we write a new constitution ridding ourselves of the monarchy completely and for good.
 

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No she isn't a figurehead. She has the final say on all legislation. She is constitutionally the head of state. Contrary to popular belief the 1982 constitution act that supposedly removed a lot of her powers is legally invalid as not all provinces signed it and it was never ratified by referendum so realistically she is really in control of the country.

What do you mean by 'political suicide'? It's not like she can be voted out of office for making an unpopular choice or denying some legislation. She answers to nobody in any way. The worst thing for her (best for us) would be we write a new constitution ridding ourselves of the monarchy completely and for good.


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It would be political suicide to overthrow legislation unless the government has been in some form highjacked and is proven to not be representing the will of the country. Which makes her less of a figurehead, and more like a failsafe.

Would it? The constitution does allow it. These so called "constitutional crises" are improperly named. They're ignorance crises. In theory the Queen or GG can do that. Even though im totally against that idea Id love to see it happen just for the entertainment value. People would freak.

As for the UK and the monarchy - I dont really care what they do. Keep it or abolish it or change it. Its their country. I would love to see us drop it though. And yes I know we have bigger issues to deal with. I dont place this very high on the priorities list, its just something Id like to see happen before I die.
 

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What isn't hot air is they are above the law in every commonwealth nation and they cost the taxpayers 200 million pounds a year ($30 million in Canada for Willy & Kate's visit). Their status as head of state ina democracy is laughable and quite retarded. It is time for them to disappear quietly and give back the bilions in assets the public coffers have paid for.


Post again on here when you post facts, not your beliefs.

In Canada and Australia and a few other commonwealth nations the queen is a figurehead but still legally has to approve all legislation and the right to reject any legislation.

The Queen is no less a mere figurehead, a symbolic Head of State, in Britain, or Papua New Guinea, or New Zealand, or The Bahamas as she is in Canada or Australia. Canada and Australia are no different from the other 14 nations of which Elizabeth II is Head of State.
 

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Abolishing the monarchy is like "reforming" the senate. It ain't gonna happen. Just one of those things that get thrown out there when the govt. needs a diversion.

But, if it did, does anyone really think the govt. would divy up the billions amongst the great unwashed. ?? Oy, mate. Not bloody likely.
 

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But, if it did, does anyone really think the govt. would divy up the billions amongst the great unwashed. ?? Oy, mate. Not bloody likely.

It wouldn't be likely because those "billions" (and the monarchy doesn't cost that much every year) would instead have to go towards paying for the Canadian republic, which would be far more expensive.
 

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What isn't hot air is they are above the law in every commonwealth nation and they cost the taxpayers 200 million pounds a year ($30 million in Canada for Willy & Kate's visit). Their status as head of state ina democracy is laughable and quite retarded. It is time for them to disappear quietly and give back the bilions in assets the public coffers have paid for.

That's the simple bare bones synopsis...............there might be more to it. -:)
 

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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick

What do you mean by 'political suicide'? ....... The worst thing for her (best for us) would be we write a new constitution ridding ourselves of the monarchy completely and for good.


I don't think the Queen gives a s**t what you do.