Why UK should abolish its 'failed' monarchy

captain morgan

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Blackleaf and reality are on the outs at the moment.

I think you may be assuming an acceptance of this thing called reality. I've come to realize that just the opposite is true in this individual's case.


My bad... I really should have keened onto Blackie's psychosis the moment he stated that fish & chips was an advanced culinary contribution to the world
 

WLDB

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I said that already. I don't think she has ever over-ruled legislation but it is well within her constitutional powers.

Not the monarch directly but the GG has. The King-Byng affair. It made a lot of people mad but not mad enough to strip those powers from the GG/monarch.
 

hunboldt

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Seems to me that Canada didn't 'go to war' at the Queens whim in Iraq (coalition of the willing I believe) when the Brit forces were deployed.

... I guess that Blackie is just misinformed

I'll greenie you for that CM.
Looking back ten years, what the ****** would we have gained by spending a billion in Georges' crusade ? Losing a thousand plus men?
Lower cost world oil prices?

Yarh, real Canadian benefit there.
 

Jonny_C

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Unless I am missing something, Blackleaf seems to be correct, your monarch is not a figurehead, whether you like or not.

You are missing something, just as Blackleaf is. That something is reality. It doesn't matter what is written into the forms of the document, the reality is that it's a power which is not used and cannot be used without the end result being the termination of alleginace to the monarchy in Canada.

That's the short and the sweet of it.

I would assume that the Queen likes the idea of being Canada's figurehead, and Canadians are generally happy for her to be, until and unless she were to interfere in the democratic governance of Canada.

You and Blackleaf may not understand that, but that's the way it is.
 

WLDB

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You are missing something, just as Blackleaf is. That something is reality. It doesn't matter what is written into the forms of the document, the reality is that it's a power which is not used and cannot be used without the end result being the termination of alleginace to the monarchy in Canada.

Whats the point of having a constitution if you can just ignore the parts you dont like? Its still law. If it were to be ignored what would stop any government or person in power from ignoring parts they considered to be inconvenient?
 

hunboldt

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You are missing something, just as Blackleaf is. That something is reality. It doesn't matter what is written into the forms of the document, the reality is that it's a power which is not used and cannot be used without the end result being the termination of alleginace to the monarchy in Canada.

That's the short and the sweet of it.

I would assume that the Queen likes the idea of being Canada's figurehead, and Canadians are generally happy for her to be, until and unless she were to interfere in the democratic governance of Canada.

You and Blackleaf may not understand that, but that's the way it is.


The advantage, although it is a long way form 1925 -26, is the residual ability of the Governor General to step in when the Canadian federal government gets dysfunctional.

The King - Byng Crisis was actually the failure of Meighen's Conservatives and the Progressives to form a viable collation government.

Which King them used to cruise to a Liberal easy win.
 

Jonny_C

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Bull****. Hardly anyone in the world talks about Canada's contribution in either world war, because its conbtribution too both was negligible compared to Britain's.

They were your wars. You're lucky you got the help you did. And if you think that Canada's contributions were "negligible" then you simply don't know your history.

... many of you over-inflate Canada's importance in the world. I've seen it on this forum.

Yes we do. Beware lest you fall into the same trap with regards to the UK's importance in the world today. The British Empire is but a memory.

Canada is a frozen backwater of 33 million people with an economy quite smaller than Britain's.

35 million. And despite that, a member of the G8. You respond to overstatement with understatement, which is understandable, but not any more accurate.

What do we need your help for? So we can borrow a Mountie and a submarine with a tendency to break down?

And what would Britain send us? We bought the submarines that have a tendency to break down from you, and the USA is a far better friend and business partner anyway. You can send us a royal visit every once in a while, at our expense. Other than that I can't think of much. English toffee? :p

Whats the point of having a constitution if you can just ignore the parts you dont like? Its still law. If it were to be ignored what would stop any government or person in power from ignoring parts they considered to be inconvenient?

It's like a town having a bylaw that says you can't tie up your horse to a hitching post for more than an hour. There are no hitching posts, and there are no horses, but the bylaw is still there because it's not worth the trouble to remove something that has no applicability any more. ;-)

The advantage, although it is a long way form 1925 -26, is the residual ability of the Governor General to step in when the Canadian federal government gets dysfunctional.

Yes, it is a very long way from 1925-26.

The governor-general is Canadian, and appointed by the Canadian government, and acts on the advice of the Canadian government, not on the advice of the Queen. There is some residual power there, yes, but it is not tied to consulting the Queen. It's a power that resides in Canada.

Though Canada became a nation in 1867, the severing of certain ties with the British Parliament was gradual, and Canadians of the day were by all indications accepting of that. Some say that the benchmark for complete independence came when Britain declared was on Germany on Sept. 3rd, 1939 and Canada did not do so until several days later, until after its own vote in Parliament.