Why Do Many Reasonable People Doubt Science?

Cannuck

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It's really not that difficult. If you don't believe the mountain of evidence that fluoridated drinking water is good, vaccinations are good, chlorine is a blessing to public health and pigs can't fly, then don't. It's not like knowledge or common sense will change your mind.
 

gerryh

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It's really not that difficult. If you don't believe the mountain of evidence that fluoridated drinking water is good, vaccinations are good, chlorine is a blessing to public health and pigs can't fly, then don't. It's not like knowledge or common sense will change your mind.




Did someone in here say otherwise?
 

Sal

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why wouldn't people doubt science it is only as good as the scientist conducting it, the method used and the motive of the experiment

eat low fat, don't eat low fat
don't drink coffee if you have heart disease, drink Sanka....never drink Sanka
eggs are bad for your heart, eggs are good for your heart

the conclusions are only as good as we are at the time, then they change

science is the closest thing we have to truth but like everything else it is not infallible
 

JLM

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. It's not like knowledge or common sense will change your mind.

W.T.F. would lead anyone here to think you have any of that? :)

science is the closest thing we have to truth but like everything else it is not infallible

You got the right idea, Sal. I was just thinking today while doing my routine that we should just ignore about 95% of the sh*t we hear about food- get as much exercise as you can and on a weekly basis make sure you get some of the major food groups with maybe an extra vegetable and fruit thrown in and then say **** it! (I'm getting about a dozen news flashed on health and diet popping up every day) There's got to be more to living than that sh*t. :)
 
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Sal

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You got the right idea, Sal. I was just think today while doing my routine that we should just ignore about 95% of the sh*t we hear about food- get as much exercise as you can and on a weekly basis make sure you get some of the major food groups with maybe an extra vegetable and fruit thrown in and then say **** it! (I'm getting about a dozen news flashed on health and diet popping up every day) There's got to be more to living than that sh*t. :)
I agree...eat everything as close to natural as you can as often as you can, keep the sugar and sodium to a minimum then enjoy your treats in moderation and forget the stress

and speaking of stress, they used to say stress was bad for you, avoid stress it will kill you, NOW they say it's not the stress that is bad for you, it's your attitude to the stress that is bad...LOL...well if you tell people it's going to kill you, I'm pretty sure your attitude toward it will be negative, wary at best.....

omg, it changes daily
 

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You guys aren't reading the article are you?

If you did, you would recognize that people don't have the luxury of time in critical analysis.


That's pretty much the crux of the intention of the OP.

I only needed to read this far flossie..........

"How to penetrate the bubble? How to convert climate skeptics? Throwing more facts at them doesn’t help. Liz Neeley, who helps train scientists to be better communicators at an organization called Compass, says that people need to hear from believers they can trust, who share their fundamental values. She has personal experience with this. Her father is a climate change skeptic and gets most of his information on the issue from conservative media. In exasperation she finally confronted him: “Do you believe them or me?” She told him she believes the scientists who research climate change and knows many of them personally. “If you think I’m wrong,” she said, “then you’re telling me that you don’t trust me.” Her father’s stance on the issue softened. But it wasn’t the facts that did it."
 

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I agree...eat everything as close to natural as you can as often as you can, keep the sugar and sodium to a minimum then enjoy your treats in moderation and forget the stress

and speaking of stress, they used to say stress was bad for you, avoid stress it will kill you, NOW they say it's not the stress that is bad for you, it's your attitude to the stress that is bad...LOL...well if you tell people it's going to kill you, I'm pretty sure your attitude toward it will be negative, wary at best.....

omg, it changes daily

You're dead on about the salt and sugar. I totally quit buying fruit juices and pop- just pissing money down the drain!
 

Sal

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You're dead on about the salt and sugar. I totally quit buying fruit juices and pop- just pissing money down the drain!
yeah I haven't bought fruit juice for years, I do however make a smoothie every morning with half greens and the rest fruit...pop is a treat...I love a can of zero...love it but try not to have more than a couple a week.

now cake

well, I could live on cake so I don't buy it or bake it
 

Tonington

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and after 2 posts where you say the question isn't hard to answer, you haven't answered it.

I answered in the first post...it's cognitive dissonance. Why would Forbes in making the case that GMOs are safe cite the major leading science organizations around the world, but then ignore those same scientific organizations when they say climate change is real and predominantly caused by humans? In one case they accept the science without citing specific studies. In the next case they ignore it all and call it a hoax.

The two topics cause internal conflict. That's cognitive dissonance.

Want the flip example? Greenpeace cites those scientific organizations on climate change, and ignores them on GMOs.

Forbes and Greenpeace both have some smart and reasonable people, who on certain topics become completely dumb and unreasonable.
 

JLM

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Mental Floss- Can I offer you some friendly advice? When I see a post like the O.P. that is as formidable to me as a 100' high concrete wall across a foot path. Unless there's a picture of a naked woman/man after every paragraph, people just aren't going to bother with it. Rule of thumb is O.P. should be about one short paragraph, if more is really needed put headings on subsequent paragraphs. Hope this helps.
 

darkbeaver

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It goes without saying that scientists are people who practice science and therefore still subject to their own individual biases.

When referencing these issues we are talking about widespread consensus based on reproducible results.

There is great care taken in rigorous analysis and quantifiable measures - which is why that vaccine/autism case (for example) was an outlier that was shown to be fraudulent.

Consensus and reproducable results are not even related. Reproducable results speak for themselves.


U.S. Media Blackout: Italian Courts Rule Vaccines Cause Autism


On September 23, 2014, an Italian court in Milan award compensation to a boy for vaccine-induced autism. (See the Italian document here.) A childhood vaccine against six childhood diseases caused the boy’s permanent autism and brain damage.



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You should only doubt results because there is credible evidence that calls those results into question. The fact that I work for a pharmaceutical company that makes money, is not a good enough reason to doubt my results.

And there's the rub. Most people don't have a clue about what results are good, and which are bad. So they default to their internal biases. I don't think the OP question is really that hard to answer. We know that repeating false claims while debunking them, tends to make the people who hold those views stronger in their resolve.

This forum is a good example of the bubbles that people tend to gravitate to. You have groups here that tend to think the same things, and predictably will respond in the same way for certain topics. You can probably think of a few, and predict what kind of responses you'll see when opening a thread on a certain topic, or even posted by a certain poster.

This is an old problem, with an old name. Cognitive dissonance. Well older than I am anyways :lol:

And you belong to the equaly predictable anti bubble group.