The Jerusalem garbage dump? Do ya think that just might be a metaphor or 5?FEAR OF GOING TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY.
The Jerusalem garbage dump? Do ya think that just might be a metaphor or 5?FEAR OF GOING TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY.
Sal, I will address the content of your post later, but wanted to tell you that you are a lovely writer. You have an ability to convey thoughts quite nicely. On the run now & will return to banter a little later.Sometimes, just on a whim, I wish my world was black and white, right or wrong.
I have a girlfriend who is such. She is a gifted lab tech. She looks at those test results and she reads them and concludes. The test results conclude positive for malaria. The test results conclude negative for malaria. It spills over into her life. For her, there is no god. Behaviour is right or wrong. Human nature and nuance do not enter into it.
I have Christian friends who are such too. There is definitely a god, you are saved/you are not saved. It too can be measured like a test result. 50 indicators say the test is positive, you are saved. 50 indicators say you are evil and should be avoided.
Funnily enough, because I never discuss religion with them, I am in the saved category although I am no longer a Christian. My life philosophy, the choices I make, the trust I display about my world, my unwillingness to force life into a mold and trusting I am right where I should be, and life is exactly as it should be, and that everything about my life I have drawn to myself; the way I live my life would indicate I am a heavy duty Christian of faith. I am a bit lost and off of the path because I do not go to church. But none the less, I display heavy Christian values (to them) in their estimate.
I find that quite interesting. They never really ask. We talk around it. I have no problem with their belief; either end. I care only if they bring a positive light into my world and that they are warm loving and supportive and I trust them. Both camps meet my requirement and I meet theirs. Funny how that works.
I also have people in the middle of both ends. I am such. We dwell in the grey zone. Life is full of possibilities and probabilities, add a tiny twist in there, change a fact or allow for human differences and it alters everything. It changes the conclusion according to circumstance. We are comfortable with nuance and subtlety. We embrace it. (most days)
Sometimes especially when I face a hard decision, I think how much easier life would be if I was a black and whiter. Little thought needs to be exerted to make the 100% right choice in that world. But then I think we are all created different for a reason and everyone does their part. But then I am a gray zone dweller. Everything changes according to circumstance and or the facts presented.
Cliffy, you say here, "The main motivating factor given to non-Christians is THE FEAR OF GOING TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY." I disagree. I am beginning to wonder if this difference of opinion is in part from a generational difference. I find the generation or two before me have encountered more of the hell-fire preachings. Though that isn't the most accurate statement either. In your youth did you encounter a preacher that yelled at the congregation all the time?Thanks for the reds Blackhead and proving to one and all that you have sphincter lock.
There is not one shred of evidence that your god exists or that the bible is anything other than a book written by men. You are a very angry man, as your last post proves, who is dire need of a blow job. You are the poster boy for why not to become a Christian. Christianity doesn't seem to bring you any peace of mind. Might I suggest that you try Valium.
The main motivating factor given to non-Christians is THE FEAR OF GOING TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY. Fear of punishment for not accepting Geezuz!!! as our personal saviour. Fear is not revering or admiring. It is being terrified of being punished by some psychopath who demands constant adoration.
I'll tell you what my idea of hell is - cities. Cities are fortifications against nature.
What was the garden of Eden - a natural environment free of pollution or contamination of any kind. I was born in hell - Montreal. I now I live in what is left of paradise, the West Kootenay region of BC - in the forest. These are my neighbours"
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That was kind, thanks cj! Enjoy your day.Sal, I will address the content of your post later, but wanted to tell you that you are a lovely writer. You have an ability to convey thoughts quite nicely. On the run now & will return to banter a little later.
I don't even believe in the Jerusalem garbage dump. Born againers are always say us non-believers are going to hell to burn for eternity. Like I said, hell to me is any city.The Jerusalem garbage dump? Do ya think that just might be a metaphor or 5?
People throw away the coolest sh*t. You'll have a nicely decorated and stylish hell in no time. Considering they don't burn the dead sacrificed goats, lambs and chamber pots and they pay cash for plastic by the kg you can have some jingle jangle in your jeans and decent air quality.I don't even believe in the Jerusalem garbage dump. Born againers are always say us non-believers are going to hell to burn for eternity. Like I said, hell to me is any city.
GehennaThe Jerusalem garbage dump? Do ya think that just might be a metaphor or 5?
My first cabin in the bush was built with recycled material and furnished from the Cottonwood dump. You can't get better quality air than in a forest.People throw away the coolest sh*t. You'll have a nicely decorated and stylish hell in no time. Considering they don't burn the dead sacrificed goats, lambs and chamber pots and they pay cash for plastic by the kg you can have some jingle jangle in your jeans and decent air quality.
When you have a red letter Bible and read what Jesus said like you're supposed to Christianity is pretty cool sh*t that makes perfect sense.My first cabin in the bush was built with recycled material and furnished from the Cottonwood dump. You can't get better quality air than in a forest.
BTW: the whole bible narrative is a metaphor.
Smudging with sweet grass will do the same. I live among the Creator's creatures. You can't get much closer to the Source than that.When you have a red letter Bible and read what Jesus said like you're supposed to Christianity is pretty cool sh*t that makes perfect sense.
The discipline of some of the Rites work quite nicely.
If you're pissed off or depressed do a Rosary again for the first time and when you're done you're not mad, sad or stressed.
We all do.I live among the Creator's creatures. You can't get much closer to the Source than that.
Smudging with sweet grass will do the same. I live among the Creator's creatures. You can't get much closer to the Source than that.
On one level it's really pretty simple, Cliffy, and it's not just religion that makes this error. For people who are absolutely certain they're right, with no possibility of being wrong, anyone who disagrees with them must therefore be absolutely wrong. And fairly often that turns into being considered expendable.
You may not be aware of this.Last I heard, Buddhism was pretty tolerant of other religions. I'm thinking you are referring to what I call the "aggressive religions", Islam and Christianity..
You are right. The proper word for the OP should have been respect: Respect for other religions and spiritual paths.I hate the word tolerance. I tolerate insomnia. I tolerate upset stomach and headaches. I tolerate freezing winter weather. Whatever happened to love.
I don't remembet Christ ever saying, 'Tolerate the Lord your God with all your heart and all your mind and all your soul, and tolerate thy meighbour as tehyself.'
I hate the word tolerance. I tolerate insomnia. I tolerate upset stomach and headaches. I tolerate freezing winter weather. Whatever happened to love.
I don't remembet Christ ever saying, 'Tolerate the Lord your God with all your heart and all your mind and all your soul, and tolerate thy meighbour as tehyself.'
On one level it's really pretty simple, Cliffy, and it's not just religion that makes this error. For people who are absolutely certain they're right, with no possibility of being wrong, anyone who disagrees with them must therefore be absolutely wrong. And fairly often that turns into being considered expendable. It also seems worth noting here that history suggests such absolute belief systems become tolerant only when they've lost the power to persecute. Consider the mediaeval Catholic church, for instance, compared to how it behaves today. It remains a bit of a mystery why so many people fall into that absolutist mind set.
Do you have anything against Spirituality being the core of a Religion?On one level it's really pretty simple, Cliffy, and it's not just religion that makes this error. For people who are absolutely certain they're right, with no possibility of being wrong, anyone who disagrees with them must therefore be absolutely wrong. And fairly often that turns into being considered expendable. It also seems worth noting here that history suggests such absolute belief systems become tolerant only when they've lost the power to persecute. Consider the mediaeval Catholic church, for instance, compared to how it behaves today. It remains a bit of a mystery why so many people fall into that absolutist mind set.