Why are many Christians so intolerant of other religions and spiritual paths?

[Tecumsehsbones]

T-Bones - I see we have reached an agreement of sorts! Yes, I can present you with no evidence that God exists. Yet, I have faith that He most assuredly does. Crazy, I know.

You mean you are able to answer the question "Why does God allow so much suffering?" To clarify, that question I asked is actually flawed, but nevertheless - please do answer the question.

Take a while, and I'm very busy today. Getting ready for a trip to Paris. When I have a little time this weekend, I'll write you my "theory of the case." A theory of the case is what cops and lawyers use to cover all the known facts. Then they seek evidence to support or disprove the theory (or, sadly, sometimes falsify evidence to support the theory).

I assume you won't object to me using "flawed human logic" to reconcile the Christian story?

 

[DaSleeper]

 

[cj44]

Take a while, and I'm very busy today. Getting ready for a trip to Paris. When I have a little time this weekend, I'll write you my "theory of the case." A theory of the case is what cops and lawyers use to cover all the known facts. Then they seek evidence to support or disprove the theory (or, sadly, sometimes falsify evidence to support the theory).

I assume you won't object to me using "flawed human logic" to reconcile the Christian story?

Ok with me T-Bones. Have yourself a safe and fine trip.

I just posted a new thread for those that wish to banter on the subject.

Are you looking for proof that God exists?

 

[gerryh]

Atheists in a Christian discussion thread.....

Dogs pulling rope - YouTube

It's called trolling.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Yeah we know Gerry, anyone who disagrees with you or challenges you is trolling.

 

[Sal]

lmao...here's a parable for today

And Sal spoke and said: there's no such thing as trolling, there is only netting, one throws out a net with little barbs in it

angry fishies get lured and swim through, then get caught and further angered because they swam through and are now entangled...
it isn't the net's fault, nor the casters

unmesh yourself.

 

[DaSleeper]

It's called trolling.

And when they believe they have won the argument, they have won exactly the same thing as the mutt who ends up with the rope in the end .....sweet f*** all........just a lot of fun for the onlookers....

 

[Cliffy]

And when they believe they have won the argument, they have won exactly the same thing as the mutt who ends up with the rope in the end .....sweet f*** all........just a lot of fun for the onlookers....

There are people who participate in life and there are spectators.

 

[DaSleeper]

There are people who participate in life and there are spectators.

As you were....................

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Here's what to do. I should say, if you want to try something, try this. Go to God even if you don't believe he exists and say something along these lines- be honest. "Ok. God. I don't even believe you can hear me because you don't exist. But, if you do can you give me some belief and faith so I can grasp your presence. I can't imagine how any of this stuff in your book the bible is possible or real, but if I am wrong about you I would like to know."

I've tried that, more than once, on the advice of many people in my life. Nothing happened.

Here's a amusing story to read in the Bible. 1 Kings 18 I think it shows that God has a sense of humor.

Most amusing. How about the story in 2 Kings where he sends a couple of bears to maul 42 children to death for the hideous crime of making fun of Elisha's baldness? Bet he had a good chuckle over that one too.

 

[JLM]

yeah we know gerry, anyone who disagrees with you or challenges you is trolling.

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[darkbeaver]

T-Bones, it is most difficult to convey meaning in bits and pieces. I shall spare you any more bible quotes at this time. My only intent in regards to scripture and its meaning is that it is best comprehended & understood within context of the entire book. In regards to Matthew 25. Certainly the sheep will do good works, but those good works are not what saves them. I did not mean to suggest that Christians are free to never help their neighbor.

Taxslave, Thank You for your forgiving spirit.

Can you tell me why it is a stretch of the imagination for you to believe in a "supreme being"?

In the Bible we do not have the entire book. Work will set you free.

lmao...here's a parable for today

And Sal spoke and said: there's no such thing as trolling, there is only netting, one throws out a net with little barbs in it

angry fishies get lured and swim through, then get caught and further angered because they swam through and are now entangled...
it isn't the net's fault, nor the casters

unmesh yourself.

Using astrological bases for portraying cosmic truths, the ancients localized the birth of the natural man in the zodiacal house of Virgo and that of the spiritual man in the opposite house of Pisces. These then were the houses of the two mothers of life. The first was the Virgin Mother (Virgo), the primeval symbol of the Virgin Mary thousands of years B.C. Virgo gave man his natural birth by water and became known as the Water-Mother; Pisces (the Fishes by name) gave him his birth by the Fish and was denominated the Fish-Mother. The virgin mothers are all identified with water as symbol and their various names, such as Meri, Mary, Venus (born of the sea-foam), Tiamat, Typhon and Thallath (Greek for "sea") are designations for water. On the other side there are the Fish Avatars of Vishnu, such as the Babylonian Ioannes, or Dagon, and the Assyrian goddess Atergatis was called "the Fish-Mother." Virgo stood as the mother of birth by water, or the birth of man the first, of the earth, earthy; Pisces stood as the mother of birth by spirit or fire, or the birth of man the second, described by St. Paul as "the Lord from heaven." Virgo was the water-mother of the natural man, Pisces the fish-mother of the spiritual man."
There must now be brought out an unrevealed significance of the fish symbol in the zodiac and in mythical religion. It is of astonishing import. Water is the type of natural birth because all natural birth proceeds in and from water. All first life originated in the sea water. The fish is a birth in and from the water, and it stands patently as the generic type of organic life issuing out of inorganic! The fish typifies life embodied in a physical organic structure. Organic life is born out of the water, and is the first birth, child of the water-mother. And if organic life is in turn to become mother, its child will be mind and spiritual consciousness, son of the fish-mother! In brief, water is the mother of natural physical being, and organic structure becomes the later mother of divine mind Lostlight ab khun pg six

 

[cj44]

In the Bible we do not have the entire book. Work will set you free.



Using astrological bases for portraying cosmic truths, the ancients localized the birth of the natural man in the zodiacal house of Virgo and that of the spiritual man in the opposite house of Pisces. These then were the houses of the two mothers of life. The first was the Virgin Mother (Virgo), the primeval symbol of the Virgin Mary thousands of years B.C. Virgo gave man his natural birth by water and became known as the Water-Mother; Pisces (the Fishes by name) gave him his birth by the Fish and was denominated the Fish-Mother. The virgin mothers are all identified with water as symbol and their various names, such as Meri, Mary, Venus (born of the sea-foam), Tiamat, Typhon and Thallath (Greek for "sea") are designations for water. On the other side there are the Fish Avatars of Vishnu, such as the Babylonian Ioannes, or Dagon, and the Assyrian goddess Atergatis was called "the Fish-Mother." Virgo stood as the mother of birth by water, or the birth of man the first, of the earth, earthy; Pisces stood as the mother of birth by spirit or fire, or the birth of man the second, described by St. Paul as "the Lord from heaven." Virgo was the water-mother of the natural man, Pisces the fish-mother of the spiritual man."
There must now be brought out an unrevealed significance of the fish symbol in the zodiac and in mythical religion. It is of astonishing import. Water is the type of natural birth because all natural birth proceeds in and from water. All first life originated in the sea water. The fish is a birth in and from the water, and it stands patently as the generic type of organic life issuing out of inorganic! The fish typifies life embodied in a physical organic structure. Organic life is born out of the water, and is the first birth, child of the water-mother. And if organic life is in turn to become mother, its child will be mind and spiritual consciousness, son of the fish-mother! In brief, water is the mother of natural physical being, and organic structure becomes the later mother of divine mindfile:///C:/Users/argon/Documents/a b khun/lostlght.htm#
page six

Beavs, work will set you free in a republic or democracy. Work is good in the Christian faith too. If it is spiritual freedom from bondage of the devil you speak, then only Jesus' atoning work and faith therein will set you free.

 

[taxslave]

T-Bones, it is most difficult to convey meaning in bits and pieces. I shall spare you any more bible quotes at this time. My only intent in regards to scripture and its meaning is that it is best comprehended & understood within context of the entire book. In regards to Matthew 25. Certainly the sheep will do good works, but those good works are not what saves them. I did not mean to suggest that Christians are free to never help their neighbor.

Taxslave, Thank You for your forgiving spirit.

Can you tell me why it is a stretch of the imagination for you to believe in a "supreme being"?

Do you believe in the easter bunny, tooth faerie and santa claus to? There are about 5000 religions in the world with most professing to have the one true gos. SInce you cannot agree among yourselves which one it is how would you ever expect anyone to believe any of you. I have made an offer to many people of different religions that when they can bring their god to my house for tea I will believe them. Offer is still open.

 

[darkbeaver]

Beavs, work will set you free in a republic or democracy. Work is good in the Christian faith too. If it is spiritual freedom from bondage of the devil you speak, then only Jesus' atoning work and faith therein will set you free.

Faith makes you blind to truth and keeps you walking in the valley of the shadow of death until your flesh gives up the ghost.

 

[cj44]

I've tried that, more than once, on the advice of many people in my life. Nothing happened.Most amusing. How about the story in 2 Kings where he sends a couple of bears to maul 42 children to death for the hideous crime of making fun of Elisha's baldness? Bet he had a good chuckle over that one too.

Nothing happened yet..... No harm in persistence. Luke 18 - the persistent widow. If asked, I like to advise people to badger God. GO after Him and don't leave Him alone. Talk to him neverending.

Yes, the bear mauling story is most troubling. I can afford a commentary, but not as a means to sweep the horror of such a mauling under the rug. A very hard lesson. God has rules. Don't break them. Blaspheming and mockery of the prophet (alludes to those who would mock/blaspheme/deny Christ) will not go unpunished. To know, truly know the God of the Bible, one must have faith otherwise they may well be frightened beyond measure. Faith jumps the hurdle of contradiction. God is loving, kind compassionate God. After reading 2 Kings 2, that is hard to believe, yes?

 

[Sal]

In brief, water is the mother of natural physical being,

yes it is

and interestingly enough a fish is the symbol for Christians

and organic structure becomes the later mother of divine mind lostlight ab khun pg six

I don't know what this line means
?
thanks

 

[darkbeaver]

God

Photographic evidence of God, notice the distinct cross.

 

[cj44]

Do you believe in the easter bunny, tooth faerie and santa claus to? There are about 5000 religions in the world with most professing to have the one true gos. SInce you cannot agree among yourselves which one it is how would you ever expect anyone to believe any of you. I have made an offer to many people of different religions that when they can bring their god to my house for tea I will believe them. Offer is still open.

Taxslave, I hate to tell you, but i think your comments just put me to thinking about writing one of my anaologies. God help us all. For the sake of my anaolgy, let's say there is a god. This god is a person with personality traits. There are elements to his character and being. Ok. here comes the anaolgy. Let's say I know of a space alien. He actually exists and I present him with your request. He responds by saying, no, I can't meet with your friend over tea. I don't operate that way. I operate this other way, give him this document, tell him to study it and think about it and eventually he will come to know me without having to see me. Well, that is the way God is and quite frankly I don't think that even qualified as an analogy. I could have just said, God doesn't operate that way. Instead I throw an alien in the mix.

Try it this way instead if you choose.
First thing to know is that the Bible is active. Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. If you want to know God, you have to read his Word. Read the Gospel of John and the Book of Romans for starters.
Then, start asking God if he exists. Ask him often and ask him to GIVE YOU belief and faith. You can't conjure it up on your own.

That would be my advise. Of course, it is just a suggestion and if you tell me where to stick my advise, I take no offense.

 

[darkbeaver]

yes it is

and interestingly enough a fish is the symbol for Christians



I don't know what this line means
?
thanks

Lostlight is the book by a b Khun, the line refers to the birth of reason and mind which is after the birth of flesh